Taoiseach responsible for ‘catastrophic failures‘ – says Richard Bruton.
Patrick Honohan says the major responsibility lies with the directors and executives of the banks. The financial regulator showed ‘undue deference‘ to the banks and the people who ran them.
And the foundation of all this was a government whose financial policy allowed this culture to flourish. A very small amount of short-term gain for so much long term pain. They won a lot on black, span again, won again, and threw the whole lot on red and it came up black. Ooops.
The writing should have been on the wall when Bertie quit. We know what rats do when ships sink. He was always a clever little rat and knew when to get out. Teflon Bertie is keeping a low profile and while a lot of blame will rightly go on Brian Cowen for his spell as Minister for Finance, let’s not forget who was the man at the top who approved everything. When he runs for President, hoping he’s got away without being stained by this whole thing, remind yourself who, ultimately, was in charge. The fuse was lit when Bertie was Taoiseach. He is more responsible than Cowen or Lenihan or any of the bankers or developers, no matter what he’d have you believe.
But what do these reports tell us that we don’t already know? Fianna Fail have bankrupted Ireland. Literally. And how nice to see government stooge Eamon Ryan propping up his pals to cling to the last bit of power he knows he’s ever going to have. A more self-serving careerist you’ll never see the likes of again.
We’re too passive, whatever kind of fight we had was bought out of us with SSIAs and credit cards and long-term loans and sunshine holidays and new cars and all the rest. Fianna Fail have financially destroyed us, our children and fuck knows how many generations. The Green Party have supported them for no good reason other than to have a good time being part of government and all the trappings that come with it. They didn’t cause it but they’ve allowed it to continue and remember how culpable they are when we look back at the money we threw down the sinkhole that is Anglo Irish Bank and the rest.
The bankers that caused this crisis with their greed are still working at the top banks, the government that drove things forward are still in power. How is this sane? How have we allowed the people who ruined us the chance to ‘fix it’. They’re never going to fix it. All they’ve done is lash a bit of scrim tape over the top and hope for the best.
If there was any serious will to put things right people would be going to jail now for the fraud they’ve perpetrated on us all. They gambled, they lost, and we pick up the bill.
We’ll get more reports which tell us what we already know but it won’t matter. Our breaking point appears to have gone. This is the kind of thing that should spark violent protest from the people of Ireland.
Instead we Tweet and we blog and text for 30c. Sad.
How many Irish people does it take to change a government?
“Ah, sure we’re alright here in the abyss”
Aaah John Bruton. It’s not what they’ve done that’s important, it’s what they’re doing right now!
I’m not really up on parliamentary procedure but can’t the opposition propose a motion of no confidence or something? Even if it doesn’t have much of a chance of success, they should at least make some loud and highly-publicised gesture to bring down FF and their Green cronies.
They’re bankrupting the country as we speak for fuck sake. Cut the milquetoast crap Bruton, there’s no time. It would be the most patriotic thing you’ve ever done. Grow a pair and go for the jugular.
The bill has yet to be paid by the complacent sheeple.
That is why everyone is so apatethic.
The country is BANKRUPT, the repo men are on the way.
Thats when the fun starts.
Another thing until we see some of the cunts who didn’t do their job destitute. Nothing will have hanged for the guys at the top.
hanged = changed what a difference a letter makes, like million and billion.
Agree with all the above, but would like to add one small, but significantly depressing point;
Not one of the major opposition parties had plans which were any different to the “Finally Failed” party.
It doesn’t matter what collection of self-serving assholes we give the power to, it’s the system that’s wrong. We need new blood in politics, but there’s not much chance of that happening when we have a soundbyte media and predominantly thick electorate
Could they be arrested under the offenses against the state act? I mean knowingly undermining the stability of the state must be a serious offense. If someone was caught printing counterfeit money, they’d be jailed because it falsely undermines the legal currency’s value (Germans and dollars during WW2). They were more or less doing the same thing by lending money without sufficient guarantees and approving multiple loans against the one property.
The share-ramping operation alone where a number of golden circle names were offered loans in order to prop up Anglo stock is illegal in any stock market jurisdiction.
I think it would be a very good idea to insist on disclosure of the documentation around those loans in particualr and whether they were uniformly arranged on a ‘non-recourse’ basis.
This is all highly illegal and if it turns out that FF pols and the golden circle crowd were colluding in an effort to deceive the markets and the regulators then they are busted red-handed and in any normal jurisdiction they would be prosecuted.
yeah. and when electioni time comes around we will vote, again, for what is best for us, not what is best for the country.
very sad indeed.
Thats my fucking day ruined, even the mention of the name Bertie/ FF, I get the same dull sickining pain in the pit of my stomach comparable to awaiting the results of lung tests.. I wanna scream & kick out at the apathy all around me…Wheres the rage and indignation for fuk sake??. To Quote Dumphy some time ago. ‘I’m almost ashamed to be irish’
How well you put it twenty… u av the greens to a tee, they are akin to those who denied and shielded the peados in the church, the sneaky cunts..
Where are ye all ,,, I cant start a revolution by meself
I think it’s called treason HM but when those on trial are able to pick the jury and the judge is their golfing partner who the fuck is going to be held accountable?
Don’t forget all the ‘independent’ TDs while rightly burning effigies of Gonzaga-boy Ryan and his green fellow-travelers. Little will change until these ‘independents’ are targeted and booted out(from within their own constituencies) for voting with the current government.
The ‘local’ aspect of Irish politics is paramount, at the expense of national policy making. The present government has spent far more energy keeping the Jackie Healy Raes onside than they have on ensuring that the country as a whole was run properly.
Cowen was a running joke WITHIN the Dept of Finance during his time there. McCreevy before him was a dangerous ‘low income tax’ ideologue. And Bertie was too busy accepting ‘dig-outs’, going to the Galway races, and inflating the public service.
our old chum
EL BERTIE was asked a while back was he considering running for president
He said he was
And if that didnt work out he was going to run for Dublin MAYOR
I have to hand it to the little cunt
He always has a back up plan
If Bertie ever gets elected again to any public office it would only show that we as a nation are nothing more than a spineless bunch of retards that get the public representatives we deserve. If you equated the treatment of Ireland by its elected representatives to a case of domestic violence we’d be dead and buried and the scumbag wifebeater would be walking the streets eyeing up his next victim with no remorse and no-one to take him to task. (for the sake of equality you can replace wife for husband and his for her at your own discretion)
The only comparison I can think of is to that RTÉ drama from years ago, with Charlo, the abusive alcoholic husband, battering his Missus, and the kids, drinking the welfare, coming home drunk and doing it again. It was controversial telly at the time. We were all drop-jawed at the drama of a very real social norm. But this abusive relationship between our government and ourselves leaves us all frozen, impotent, and apparently too exhausted to react. Any relationship that’s gone so badly warrants immediate divorce. That’s your only option now. Get out while you still can, they’re far from finished raping you all. By the time they’re through with you, your main immigration problem will be the fact that you simply can’t afford a ticket out.
Conan – fair point re: the Independents.
One thing I have to say about George Hook is that he said whatever Bertie runs for, President, Mayor of Dublin, he’ll oppose him.
That little cunt makes me fucking sick. He’s made himself a very rich man from the people of this country, he’s made his friends even richer and he thinks he can get away with it because he jumped out at the right time. Canny little prick. I would advocate the worst kind of violence on him.
How close you are to reality Murty, esp the latter end of ur post….. But just give the victim/s a well paid ‘keep-ur mouth-shut’ job/placement and ur Sorted!!!!… Next please!!
Frank Fahey on Newstalk at the moment,blood boiling like a kettle with no off switch…
I wonder is there any appetite in the army for a coup.
a Cup-a-soup? Is it monday already?
I just listened to it Fill & am about to go for a long walk with a spliff to cool down. That Fahey is a corrupt filty cunt…. me pal used to shagg a mot who, under instructions from the fahy cunt had to open tenders & give the ‘billy’ to his buddies, who had yet to submit theirs …….. & yeah, as it happened, they were mutual pals of king cunt himself, Bertie also…. (No worries she well gone from there, or i wouldnt posted this)
What’s going on with the Protest Marches?
I hear it was kinda hi-jacked last week because of the Israeli murder spree.
Surely these reports will give it the momentum to get back on track.
I like the husband/wife beater analogy that was made earlier. It fits very well.
How many of you have asked yourselves the question ‘Why didn’t he/she do something earlier?‘?
Stop thinking that you’re ‘on your own’. That’s what they want you to think. Get out there and make your voice heard
We need a revolutionary leader. Seriously.
The Tuesday Marches are on hold for Dáil recess I think. Not sure.
Anyway, they were being over-run too many of the more extreme left despite them being warned that wouldn’t work.
We need to have a regular weekly march open to every single person and section of society. It’s not a leftie working class cause — It’s fucking well everyone in the country.
Maybe it’s like noddy says above, the realities haven’t hit home yet. Maybe when they do …
Motivation is seriously lacking. Even the auld pensioners knew it was the right thing to do to take to the streets for their medical cards. The younger generations haven’t had to fight for anything much yet, having had so much free credit for so long. All that negative equity will eventually become a hump on your backs. Is it time to drop the anonymity and step up to your true calling Twenty? There’s six hundred and fifty plus already registered in the moshpit. And there’s even more when you include the posters here. If you could drag a thousand opinionated, informed and angry cunts out onto Molesworth and Kildare, it would be a great start.
“Leader!Leader!Leader!”
haha..good work HM..
and doesn’t he scrub up well?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOzR3UAyXao
I wonder is there any appetite in the army for a coup.
We need a revolutionary leader. Seriously.
Step forward this man
Bet you he’ll get in back at the next election.
In 1916, most people took no part in the revolution because the merchant classes (Castle Catholics and Protestants) had it cosy enough and those who worked for them were afraid of losing their jobs if found to be part of it.
Same thing today.
Except for the Protestants. We scared them off unfortunately. Wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in if they stayed and were a real part of the Republic.
Yet the Organisers of 1916 were hardly on the breadline. The Pearses, Plunkett, McDonagh, de Valera, Hobson, Casement etc etc were cosy enough.
True enou…
Ah fuck there’s fucking sweetcorn in my sandwich.
Heh – nature’s GI marker
What? Have you never heard of the Catholic work ethic, HM?
Catholic work ethic. Wah ha ha ha haaa.
the thing about Pearse & Co is that they had a lot to lose.
And they went ahead anyway. I don’t see how this diminishes them in any way. If anything it highlights their commitment.
I don’t see how this diminishes them in any way.
That wasn’t suggested Cap’n.
Could be worse lads . . . Your Towns & Cities full of drug dealers,gunmen ,bigots,aggressive drunks etc etc . . . could be worse !
Could be worse lads . . . Your Towns & Cities full of drug dealers,gunmen ,bigots,aggressive drunks etc etc . . . could be worse !
yes,we truly live in Paradise..
http://www.eirigi.org/
Dem’s de lads for de revolution…
Dem’s the lads for the same old bollocks we’re sick and tired of. Flags are for fools. We all drive the same cars, shop in the same shops, eat the same food, watch the same TV.
Eirgi? Shower of cunts morelike
only dead fish go with the flow. flags are for fools bang on hm bang on
we need a revoltionary leader’ but who
maybe its being underestimated what a fascist state ireland is?
time for stout
The people of Iceland have self-respect, they get to live in a genuine democracy. Their government screwed up as badly as ours did and they ran them out of town.
We Irish on the other hand can be bribed with our own money as the SSIA scheme demonstrated. What a pack of feckless eejits we are.
We’re a litmus test country.
Shit is tried out on us first to see if it works. Cowen, Harney and co are all paid off to do the dirty work of big international food, tech, health and energy companies.
There is no borders in big business, just different legislations to overcome and cultures to homogenise.
An’ a nunner ting…
Different ‘cultures’ is something unique to us peasants. We get excited and think our old rebel songs make us different to Russians with their rebel songs. But there is no difference. We’re all servile.
Royal families of history all shared the same common goal which was to oppress the masses and make them work and pay taxes to them to. Yet people adored them and still do. You couldn’t buy that type of PR. But Gods make their own importance.
Royal families of today are Nestle, Shell, Halliburton, HSBC, Veolia, Kerry Group (a huge food ingredients company), CRH, General Motors, Sony, Apple, Microsoft and thousands you’ve never heard of but affect you every day.
Stop beating all these dead horses and get back to the horrible shaggy dog stories and the news from Rons. Otherwise you’re going to start sounding like that fucking pedantic ‘robber’ prick down in Limerick and Ireland doesn’t two of those.
How`s young Ronan gettin` on? He`s said nothing at all for a while now.
It’s easy to blame politicians, but we all know democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. We need a total overhaul of the political system as we know it, and these outdated systems should be on their way out in a hurry.