The cardinal Sean Brady story is just another depressing example of the way the church has abused its power and influence. When they’re using the same defence as the Nazis you know something is seriously wrong.
Still, listening to Newstalk’s breakfast show they had some people coming out of mass and they asked them if Brady should resign. The first person said yes. The remainder were agin’ it.
‘Are you going to put everyone on trial for what they did?!’, said one chap, as if this was a ludicrous suggestion. Imagine, in Ireland, people being held accountable for what they do. Let me rephrase that, people who believe they’re better than the rest of us. It’s widespread. Priests and bishops, politicians of all shapes and sizes, and even the Twatterati of Ireland’s celebrities think it’s ok to behave differently than you or I. And when they get caught they think they should be treated differently too.
Punishment is for the plebs. Paying for your crimes, being responsible for your actions and their consequences, well that’s just not something they should have to deal with. The hoi-polloi, the ones who pay their wages and contribute to their wicked organisations, let them deal with trifles like drink driving, fraud, embezzlement, payments in brown envelopes, the deaths of people in hospitals due to sheer incompetence, rape, child abuse, systematic cover-ups and everything else.
Here’s the thing – these people are not better than us. They’re just the fucking same. A collection of folk, some of whom are nice, the majority of whom are insufferable pricks. Yet this perception is pervasive in Irish society, the cap doffing, genuflecting masses still see them as a step above, and until people change their way of thinking then they’ll continue to behave appallingly, knowing they can get away with it.
I heard that vox pop thingy on the radio this morning. Sad stuff.
After that bloke was someoul’ wan proudly bleating about her faith and saying prayers and how she’d still be going to church. Moron.
Then I heard that this was done after a mass… hardly an unbiased cross-section
The thing I find most interesting is that he mentioned being judged today on the standards of 30 years ago.
Yet the Catholic priests judge all of us on the teachings of 2,000 years ago.
So Cardinal Brady is saying he was following the orders of a superior?
How does this sit with his conscience…..?
http://tinyurl.com/yjwcf22
Hoist them all with their own petard!
Hate to deal with gross generalisations, but… the majority of the general public are idiots. Who will do anything and believe anything they’re told. Asking people walking out of a church what they think about priests? May as well ask a blind man his opinions on a painting.
HM – heh.
“I didn’t know raping children was that bad back then”.
Peter, can’t disagree with you there.
Nice find, Div
If this is an endemic trait amongst the irish of subservience to their “betters” (not just from the church) who are clearly nothing of the sort, can somebody explain why it exists? And if this trait stems from Ireland’s history why hasn’t it been consigned to history?
You should hear the arrogant canon law cunt on Pat Kenny right now. Absolute wanker.
Listening to him now. Despicable.
Monsignor Maurice Dooley is his name.
Mary Raftery on now
She’s sticking it to him.
He is a fucking cunt of the highest order. His attitude is exactly why hundreds/thousands of Irish children were abused.
“The law of God supersedes the law of the state” – Monsignor Maurice Dooley
These guys speak as though they have been guaranteed protection from the law. They’re far too smug.
Now he says Brady was right not to say anything about Brendan Smyth despite the fact Smyth went on to abuse many more kids.
We see now how a once obscure priest rose in fairly short order to become Cardinal – he was reliable, dependable and never let the cat out of the bag. He was party to silencing child victims of clerical abuse, thereby ensuring that their evidence would not be heard in criminal proceedings against a man he knew to have committed crimes against children. He is a contemptible man. A contemptible christian. A contempible citizen. And a contemptible clergyman. They are so out of touch they cannot see the extent of their institutionalised moral hypocricy.
Dooley’s saying he did the right thing back then… irrespective of Smith’s subsequent crimes against children. Unbelieveable.
Unbelievable is right, Conan, but not surprising, sadly.
The church decide themselves to be moral arbiters of the common people but decide which morals are not applicable to them when it suits them.
To say Brady was right not to say anything about Smyth’s abuse and then blame the police/authorities for the subsequent rapes is too much.
“I was just following orders”
degenerate fuckwits
BAN THE ANGELUS
for starters
Its time to show the Men in Black the door..and by door i mean,take all their proeprty and money and send them off to fucking Noddy land where they belong..
and no Maggot,dont worry,I didnt say Nordyland..
THIS REALLY IS FLOGGING A DEAD HORSE. NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN, NO BISHOP OR CARDINAL IS GOING TO GO TO PRISON AND THE WEALTH OF THE CHURCH WILL REMAIN IN THE GRASPING CLAWS OF THE CHURCH. THEY ARE IRELANDS ANSWER TO THE NAZI/STALINIST/POL POT TYPE GOVERNMENT – EXCEPT THEY WILL OUTLAST EVERY ONE OF US….
True.
Govt should ban the Eucharistic Congress.
Brady said a few months ago that he would resign if his behaviour had led too any child being abused.
Good article here – pointing out the culture of obedience is a big part of the problem
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0315/1224266293755.html
Canon Law – they like to forget the Render unto Caesar – molesting children was regarded as less serious than having normal relations with an adult of either sex. According to one Canon Lawyer, Msgr Stenson, chancellor to 3 Dublin Archbishops, he had doubts as to whether it was even always a sin – this was in January this year FFS!
http://www.irishcatholic.ie/site/content/putting-record-straight-interview-alex-stenson
It’s a massive delusion. Dawkins is right.
The God of the New Testament is the God of the Old Testament and he is best described ( by Richard Dawkins):
”The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
So the Catholic Church is acting accordingly, by the standards of 2000+ years ago.
Matthew 18:6 … but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
If these fuckers had the slightest belief in their own religion they would not even begin to defend themnselves. They would at the very least resign immediately.
The fact that they are not doing so merely serves to prove that they don’t take their own bible seriously at all.
I’ll happily pay for a brace of millstones. It’d be a start.
I said it in another post taking the piss but not now.
The defence by Brady and the dude on Pat Kenny is still along the lines of “Mental Reservation”
The dude on Pat Kenny said that Brady was under no obligation to tell the cops, and going by their history the cops would have done fuck all, because his obligation is to god.
Brady this a.m. said the 2 kids could have colluded evidence and thus fuck up an investigation?
An investigation that couldn’t happen because he didn’t tell the cops.
The church is like Willie O’Dea, a victim.
One good thing is that all the papers this a.m. have headlines like “Corrupt to the core” – “Cardinal Sin” etc.
Good post twenty; I thought the title referred tyo the state of brady on the news yesterday; his black suit looked like it had been slept in and he looked like he could do with a bath
The bureaucrat is a terrifying creature Conan.
( The Kindly Ones by Jonathan Littell tells the story of a Nazi bureaucrat )
crank for pope
crank for pope
You just want an excuse to kiss his ring Itchy.
Fixed…..
“You just want an excuse to kiss his Itchy ring”.
And the time were trying to get rid the ‘oppressors’ little did we know who the real oppressors were.
“And the time were trying to get rid the ‘oppressors’ little did we know who the real oppressors were.”
HM, they were hand in glove with the previous administration – handed over the national school system to the churches so they’d stay onside, plus lots of other collaborative efforts to keep the institutional church out of political activity.
More on this live with ‘Joe’ at the moment, Smith’s victims’ stories will do for Brady.
Their relationship with The British, Constitutional Nationalism and Physical Force Republicanism was hellish complex Conan. But right and wrong was low on the priorities for them – it was always about what was best for them. I’ll never forgive the fuckers for backing the Provos.
Joe Duffy Show get off the air now!*
It’s so funny how Joe don’t talk about head shops anymore**
*stolen title
**stolen title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDcfPZOBiow
** can’t find cliff richard
the sanctimonious shite that is joe duffy disgusts me; do us all a favour and get off the air joe
or at least talk about head-shops and not just pretend nothing is going on. chickenshit fuck.
*BURP
Priest in Dublin once said:
“And here is your host, Jesus Christ”
I’m heading down to José my favourite barber from the Basque this afternoon and I’ll ask him about the situation is spain.
I reckon it’s an irish thing, this thing of just not getting it and not resigning. Burke, O’Dea, priests. And because it is an irish thing they know they can get away with it. Christy; that’s my useless attempt at anwering your question
Christy; ‘If this is an endemic trait amongst the irish of subservience to their “betters” (not just from the church) who are clearly nothing of the sort, can somebody explain why it exists? And if this trait stems from Ireland’s history why hasn’t it been consigned to history?’
In fairness Christy you have a good eye for a bullseye.
I suspect that 800 years of political oppression plus something like 1300/1400 years of being trained to kneel to men in dresses has something to do with it.
I’m not even sure that Ireland’s catholics are aware that they are members of what is in facta Middle Eastern cult which celebrates cannibalism and the drinking of blood.
In fact, I must try that on the next old ratcatcher I come across.
‘Did you hear about that cult down the road? Cannibalism! Drinkin’ blood n’everything!!’
You can only imagine the distress of it all. ‘And where’s this then?!?’
Your church pal. Your church.
I’m not even sure that Ireland’s catholics are aware that they are members of what is in facta Middle Eastern cult which celebrates cannibalism and the drinking of blood.
fucking taxi driver
‘We can take nothing for granted now. We thought the text of our Irishness was set in stone but it turned out to be carved in ice, and it’s melting fast.’
J. O’Connor, ‘Questioning our Self-Congratulations’, Studies, 87: 347 (Autumn
1998), p. 250.
So we have a cardinal involved and the pope seems to be up to his neck in it as well. Is there any chance the whole edifice could come crumbling down? Unlikely. Brady will resign and be replaced by some other creep, Ratzinger will continue on overseeing the gay sex rings in the vatican. Our own wonderful government will do fuck all to take responsibility for education and the old biddies will continue to go to mass. The whole thing makes me want to vomit. Very tired on a monday…
At this stage I’m just waiting for some newspaper to print photos of the entire college of cardinals shagging Romanian orphans.
Mind you, you’d still get the Bean Ui Cribins of Ireland demanding that the newspaper get pulled.
Just shows you the extent of religious brainwashing. Those Xombie cunts voxpopped outside a church should all be just fucking drowned in a bag. Preferably in a custom built font.
Because the are fuckall use to Ireland, either now or in the future.
Jams Jyce
“I confess that I do not see what good it does to fulminate against the English tyranny while the Roman tyranny occupies the palace of the soul.”
I’m terribly flattered Itchy by your recommendation but, while the Pope is now seriously compromised, I doubt his job will be up for grabs any day soon.
Anyway, I hear Bertie is applying for it.
Thats a very Finnegans Wake-esque spelling of the great man’s name, Maggot.
The quote rings true, though.
Another thing I found in previous course work that illustrated the clerical mindset
Éire-Ireland 43: 1 & 2 Spr/Sum 08 Church, State, and Society 75-76, Brian Girvin
While opinion polls were not conducted in the 1950s, there is a detailed sociological study of Irish Catholicism undertaken in Dublin in the early 1960s by Bruce Biever, an American Jesuit.The central role of religion in daily life is highlighted, as is the key role played by the clergy in the lives of the community. Clerical influence is generally viewed in a positive light and 88 percent of respondents agreed that the Catholic Church was “the greatest force for good in Ireland today.” One member of the clergy emphasized why this was so:
I look at Ireland, and I ask myself: “who else could lead?”The politicians are new at the game; we have few economists, our professional
people leave.Who stays? We do.6
6. Bruce Francis Biever, Religion, Culture and Values:A Cross-Cultural Analysis of Motivational Factors in Native Irish and American Irish Catholicism (New York, 1976, which is a reprint of Biever’s 1965 Ph.D. Dissertation), 229.
The Jesuits have been on the run now for a while in Europe and North America as they were headed off at the pass by JPII’s cabal of Opus Dei.
The only mention you see of Jesuits these days as a corporate crew is in the developing nations. Suppose they are lying doggo while the Opus bunch have their day in the sun.
Thats what the conclave of Cardinals is all about when electing a Pope. Competing factions within the church jockeying for power.
Opus JP followed by Ratzi the Nazi. Maybe they’ll elect Jackie Healy-Rae next time out and we can all have a laff.
I bet not many catholics know that ANY catholic can become Pope. You don’t have to be a Cardinal, a bishop or even a priest.
Peadar, do you fancy a new job? Nice red Prada trainers and all the nuns you can eat?
Studies is a good read Cap’n
I liked the description of Ireland in the 50s by Dr James Devane S.J
“Ireland is the most Catholic country in the
world. Perhaps the Republic of Ireland, as it is constituted today, is the only integral Catholic State in the world; a Catholic culture
as it existed in the Middle Ages.”
That Jesuit is right about all the professionals leaving. Anyone with a decent degree back then, fucked off immediately and never came back. There is a type of Irish person who is inherently un-Irish when compared to the main population. They are far more European in attitude, morals and work ethic. They tend to leave early in their careers (often law, medicine and science) and never come back because of the parochial nature of the place. Ireland will never give them the opportunity to fulfill their potential.
Just back from
Gonzalez Mr Jose
Unit 106 New Street, Malahide Dublin
01-8456962
where I asked him do they have the same prob with child abuse and catholic priests in spain. He spoke uninterrupted for about 1/2 hour but the gist of it is -
- His family is religious. He is not. His brother moved to Seville and goes to mass there. The priest is a young, hip, cool dude and is loved by all the parish. He told them he was gay and had a boyfriend. The parish, in general, said “that’s ok, you’re a fantastic man”. The vatican removed him.
- he said he doesn’t think spain has the same prob with child-abuse but wouldn’t be surprised if it came out that it did. He thinks it is mainly an Irish thing; irish/american thing.
- he finds it very odd that they are clamouring to make JP II a saint considering the amount of cover up he did. He said the chinese take-away across the way, Roseland, I think, has given more joy than JP.
He then spoke about darwin, the fact that 90% of the population are fools and in general is a very good sort of an individual.
I highly recommend him. He is a great barber, has an opinion on everything and it’s very difficult to get a word in edgesways.
Plus he liberally uses the word cunt in conversation
http://www.slate.com/id/2247861/
Sample:
Very much more serious is the role of Joseph Ratzinger, before the church decided to make him supreme leader, in obstructing justice on a global scale. After his promotion to cardinal, he was put in charge of the so-called “Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith” (formerly known as the Inquisition). In 2001, Pope John Paul II placed this department in charge of the investigation of child rape and torture by Catholic priests. In May of that year, Ratzinger issued a confidential letter to every bishop. In it, he reminded them of the extreme gravity of a certain crime. But that crime was the reporting of the rape and torture. The accusations, intoned Ratzinger, were only treatable within the church’s own exclusive jurisdiction. Any sharing of the evidence with legal authorities or the press was utterly forbidden. Charges were to be investigated “in the most secretive way … restrained by a perpetual silence … and everyone … is to observe the strictest secret which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office … under the penalty of excommunication.” (My italics). Nobody has yet been excommunicated for the rape and torture of children, but exposing the offense could get you into serious trouble. And this is the church that warns us against moral relativism! (See, for more on this appalling document, two reports in the London Observer of April 24, 2005, by Jamie Doward.)
In Spain, more than a dozen priests have been convicted of child abuse in recent decades and two potentially larger-scale cases are attracting attention.
http://tiny.cc/YSclP
Are you listening to this Prick on The Last Word at the moment??
Id say he needs a whellbarrow for his Balls…
*wheelbarrow
Mosignor Maurice Dooley is his name,and he is stoic that Cardinal Brady was not wrong in his decision to cover up Brendan Smyths abuse..
How very Christian,the pompous dress wearing Bullshit-Wizard..
Fair play to Colm O’Gorman for verbally Cunting Dooley in the Bastard..
This Cardinal Brady issue is interesting though. If he resigns it will be seen as an admission of guilt over the Brendan Smyth affair. This would undoubtedly taint the legal case against him which could, in the ‘real’ world see him being jailed for his part in the cover up.
If he resigns, I’ll be fucking amazed.
i heard it filler
“joust”
condescending cunt living in gagaland
fill3rup Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Mosignor Maurice Dooley is his name,and he is stoic that Cardinal Brady was not wrong in his decision to cover up Brendan Smyths abuse..
How very Christian,the pompous dress wearing Bullshit-Wizard..
stealing the last line thank you; will pay you a royalty
He has to resign. He hasn’t a leg to stand on.
I want stats.
How many members of the clergy have lived in this country since, say, the 1950? Cardinals, bishops, archbishops, priests, brothers and nuns
How many have been named in reports?
What’s the % deviation, no pun intended, from “normal” society?
i.e is the catholic church a fucking monster or do they have the same traits as normal society? If they’re numbers are off-kilter the catholic church should be treated like any other proscribed group.
i still can’t believe what i heard from Dooley. The Vatican will have to put a muzzle on him to save face. Maybe.
He was on Pat Kenny’s show earlier. He’s spouting the typical emotionally disconnected line whereby he uses the letter of the law and ignores the obvious lack of human intervention to save small children from having men’s penises being thrust into their anus.
TV3 say that Katie Price is trying for a baby. I am still available.
Itchy, in the mid-sixties, at the pinnacle of their excessive parasitism, there would have been tens of thousands of them, especially if you were to include those abroad and on ‘the missions’. So, somewhere over 50,000 habit-wearing individuals, at a guess.
Er, did you vanish that comment?
Its all been blown out of proportion. A few little misunderstandings many years ago, and now a parade of so called victims crawl out of the woodwork.Sure they`d be doing it to themselves anyway.Omerta.
You’re boring
According to the Vatican between 1.5% and 5% of their members are offenders Itchy. Their defence is that this is the same sort of percentage as the general population.
TV3 say that Katie Price is trying for a baby. I am still available.
Adoption or insemination Itchy ?
Artificial or Coca Cola ?
( Seed of Chucky, The luscious Jennifer Tilly being given the turkey baster treatment by bride of Chucky, a class film )
Have put up new post with audio of Dooley on Pat Kenny show this morning.
i’m not averse to adoption. i do want to look back at the extradition warrant fiasco and see if any heads rolled at the department of justice. I’m looking at a lady on bbc n.irl asking about the irish cops lack of effort too. it’s the whole system from top to bottom. nigeria here we come
I’m looking at a lady on bbc n.irl asking about the irish cops lack of effort too.
I might as well say it before somebody esle says it – bit of Pot and Kettle there – Police up here were not averse to looking in the other direction when it suited.
If any of your blog posts need a few well placed “cunts”, it’s most certainly this.
I’ve been irritating people for years about the mentality of the catholic church in Ireland.
I think its the first time that events/revelations have left me speechless.
Surely this nonsensical deference to a private organisation/cult has to stop?
Sean Brady suffers from an intrinsically Irish phobia that centres on people finding out he has to take a big brown shite everyday just like the rest of us. It’s a condition that Glenda Gilson, Johnny Logan, Aengus Fanning, the entire staff of TV3, and Rosanna Davison all suffer from too. My dear friend and frequent whipping boy Fr. Fingus Jeremiah O’Flahoorahaun of Ballyknockoneoff has respectfully requested that you tone down your only shockin’ altogether abuse of these fine pillars of Irish society, in his own words – “Tis only scandalous, begorrah, etc” Ummm… That’s it really, y’all be good now, y’hear, or I’ll gets Brendan Kilkenny after yiz so I will.