Also sent to joe@rte.ie
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Dear Joe and the Liveline team,
I wonder if you might address a query I have with regard your recent coverage of ‘head shops’.
Previous to your campaign against them not one ‘head shop’ in Ireland had been set on fire. Since you spent the best part of a week drumming up fear and public anger two of them have been set on fire. Perhaps I’m putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5 but you would have to think it’s more than just coincidence.
Let’s be realistic, on Monday you covered the Michael O’Leary/Mary Coughlan debacle in great detail and no doubt that was a contributory factor in the softening of the Minister’s stance to Mr O’Leary whom she had previously said she would not meet. Although the meeting ultimately proved unsuccessful Liveline played some part in raising public awareness and pressurising the government to do something.
So, if we accept that Liveline has a measure of influence, albeit small, at the upper echelons of government, isn’t it reasonable to suggest that you might influence the ‘common man’, so to speak? Do you accept any responsibility for the two fires that have damaged the ‘head shops’? Before your show raised the issue of these shops there was little or no public interest in them, beyond the customers who used these perfectly legitimate businesses, and certainly none of them had been victims of arson.
Previous to your shows, Capel Street had not been closed to traffic for days on end, which, as most Dubliners will tell you, is a good thing, what with it being a rather important thoroughfare in this city of ours. I listened anxiously on Monday to see if you addressed the Capel Street fire as this was not a small event. One of Dublin’s main streets being closed off is a serious matter and as there was an obvious connection to your shows, during which you invited all manner of ill-informed, inflammatory comment, I thought this would be a subject to which you would return. I have to admit I was disappointed.
May I ask what it might take for you dedicate some time on your show to these fires? More road closures? Injuries? Deaths, perhaps? Are you worried at all that another ‘head shop’ might be the victim of an arson attack?
In the interests of balanced broadcasting wouldn’t it be an idea to ask your listeners how they feel about the fires? If you can raise such ire over businesses which, as I pointed out earlier, are perfectly legal, provide employment to dozens of people across the country and revenue to the state, what is your stance on deliberate arson and what appears to be vigilantism?
I look forward to your reply,
Twenty Major.
I look forward to Joe’s reply too.
Next week Joe will be discussing the menace of blogs and bloggers ….
Especially ones called Twenty Major, which clearly promoteS smoking cigarettes and maybe even cannabis or crack cocaine – I mean this fella is telling us all to become crack addicts- FOR GOD’S SAKE WHAT IS GOING ON??
Liveline’s inflammatory broadcasts about ‘head shops’ were running for at least a fortnight. It has spearheaded daily wail-style coverage in many regional papers, all of which has pumped up outrage, picketing, and hysterical demands for political action in provincial towns. The voice of reason is shouted down so lynching and burning seem perfectly logical.
Meanwhile young fools and their money are easily parted, just like the pubs of a Saturday night. Funny, no one’s burning pubs down.
I sent him one on monday after the Capel Street fire, which he didn’t reply to, with the title header -
“Head”
Hi Joe,
No, I’m not talking about Monica Leech; though I do have a feeling that if the fire was malicious you will have another litigation on your hands, this time on incitement grounds for the scaremongering which your show has continually engaged in over the last while.
http://twentymajor.net/2010/02/13/liveline-monday-february-15th-2010/
Rgds,
Rather amusing to think of Dublin’s drug gangs sitting at home listening to Liveline. Cause, you know…
Of course’s Joe’s response if there is one, will be to ridicule the blog on air. None of his listeners will really know what a blog is. He’ll tell them that they’re immoral and full of bad language. That’ll be enough for rosary chanting middle Ireland.
He’s the pied piper.
‘Inflammatory comment’ heh.
looking forward to joe’s reply also
1.45 pm today weds 17th ” hello,good afternoon and welcome to liveline, we have tweedy majors on the line,tweedy,whats your fucking problem mate?”
What would you do Twenty if they asked to talk live on the radio?
I would tell them no thanks, a reply to my email would be sufficient.
“we have an email in here from a blogger, twenty major would you like to explain to the listeners why you allow someone purporting to be a “rapemachine” to post comments on your blog? why do you advocate the act of rape twenty major?”
i think it’s a disgrace joe.
Yeah, if it wasn’t for commentators called ‘rapemachine’ and ‘holemaster’ I’d be taken a lot more seriously.
Joe’s a wanker and his show is crap. But whoever burnt down those shops were big boys with minds of their own, nothing to do with Joe, although he’d probably like to think it did. And as mentioned a few times already it was most likely drug dealers
You reckon the dealers were just waiting for something like this so they could cunningly put the blame on Liveline listening vigilantes?
Unfortunately I was looking out my window as I picked my blog name.
‘You spend your life trying to do good things, be nice to people, achieve good things, work hard. But you look at one van’.
heh, could have been worse – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKXTo9MI0h4&feature=related
I was watching Sesame Street.
Are the dealers putting the blame on Liveline listening vigilantes?
News on One is talking about it now.
I’m just a grumpy cunt.
It’s so funny. You have massive stud farms making untaxed millions from stallions fees, banks getting bailed out with our money, OUR money, property developers who bribed politicians and they round in on a business they don’t have any payout from so they want to fuck it up.
That’s how the Mafia work.
i was um looking at a rape seed harvester ahem
guess what I was doing
What was Maggot doing?
Did the News at One mention Joe, Holemaster? Or is all this just happening in an RTE vacuum?
Holemaster Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
What was Maggot doing?
Marching
No gimme
It just mentioned some Fine Gael TD banging on about it. No mention Joe Duffy, the nation’s scaremonger. Ireland’s Bill O’Reilly.
“”itchybollix Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Holemaster Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
What was Maggot doing?
Marching”"
spitting at school kids?
While all those mass going aul’ wans are freaking out about their kids going to head shops, are they also freaking about their husbands going to see pretty little Chinese girls for hand jobs after work?
You people made me listen to Joe Duffy… see what the fuss is about.
Fuckin’ hell, it’s a miserable little programme. At least the man himself has the good grace to sound terminally bored by the gobshites and their trivial concerns.
No SG, that’s Joe pretending to be one of them, leaning on the gate post, bemoaning the world and what it’s come to.
Ballyfermot my bollocks. He’s far from there now.
Jesus, there was some breathless mucka on earlier complaining that his kids were refused entry to Smyths toy shop in Dundalk.
Apparently it was explained to him that kids weren’t allowed in unaccompanied. Now, fair enough, get annoyed at the shop, maybe get them to rescind this new rule but FFS don’t ring RTE about it as if it’s the new Watergate.
Then there were the scobies who are holding calndlelight vigils every night because a convicted rapist is in the area.
Jesus wept, you’d want to hear these knackbags.
You can hear in their voices that they expect the whole fuckin’ country to rise up in anger at the injustice of it all.
Instead, JD just asked, where should he live?
I can’t help but hear the boredom in the man’s voice.
Surely even a beardy twat would be worn down by the endless insignificance and futility of these peoples’ crusades.
Do people really listen to this every day? Do people rally think “I know, I’ll ring Joe, that’ll show them”? Fuck me, that’s tragic.
Sorry.
So… headshops, yeah?
I like tits.
Yer Man Twenty Major “Yeah, if it wasn’t for commentators called ‘rapemachine’ and ‘holemaster’ I’d be taken a lot more seriously.”
I think he has a point.
Good one, Cap
Yeah, good one.
D’OH!
haha
Didn’t get a chance to hear the show, did he mention them at all? It’s mad shit altogether when the moral majority start turning to arson.
are they also freaking about their husbands going to see pretty little Chinese girls for hand jobs after work?
where, when, how?
I was wondering where that one came from too.
Yeah, if it wasn’t for commentators called ‘rapemachine’ and ‘holemaster’ I’d be taken a lot more seriously.
I had to think seriously before deciding to join in – but I only interact with the better class of contributors Twenty.
spitting at school kids?
as opposed to raping them ?
“Massage” parlours Peader. Happy endings and all that. It’s very common in China, totally acceptable for a married man to pop in on the way home.
Maggot:You probably have to spit first before ra…cough..sorry,wrong website..
Yeah HM. Please elaborate. For my research purposes only of course.
Yeah, Fill, this is not the Catholic League
Twenty, send in the exact same letter to the Irish Times and other newspapers, it’ll surely be published somewhere.
Can’t someone else do it?
I’ll bet it won’t be published by the Sunday Times!
Probably gangsta’s doing the burning as their sales have been dropping.
The attention the head shops have been getting has been drawing in the crowds away from the illicit products.
Joe Duffy is a fucking knob all the same…..
“Can’t someone else do it?”
oh, the garbage man can
and he does it with a smile
and never judges you
Seems like you only sort of give a damn, Twenty.
Seems like you only sort of give a damn, Twenty.
Fight, fight!
No, kitteh is right. I do only give sort of a damn and half a fuck
Ah sure at your age you wouldn’t able for a full fuck
Ah sure at your age you wouldn’t able for a full fuck
Oooooooooooooooooh, bitchy from Mayo!
Twenty,
You realise that your loyal readers are now tunning into Joe, he is getting a bump in his stats because of you. Maybe you should ask for a gift basket of him or something.
I will not listen to Joe and Co. as I would rather burst my ear-drums with a very sharp pencil than listen to that jumped-up-little-fucker’s wankerish voice.
Could be right – I went to listen but thankfully I would have had to download RealPlayer – which is for Cunts so I passed.
Peadar, enjoy it while you can. When you get older, the first five minutes in the morning is all you have.
‘I will not listen to Joe and Co. as I would rather burst my ear-drums with a very sharp pencil than listen to that jumped-up-little-fucker’s wankerish voice.’
Dances, Joe could have that pencil factory burnt down for damaging those ear-drums of yours!
All you have of what, HM?
That’s if you can find it at all.
“Joe, Joe, I can’t find me mickey. It’s a thunderin disgrace I tell ya and somethin should be done about it before it gets worser. And what’s more I went to a Head shop and didn’t get head at’all at’all.”
Maggot:
” spitting at school kids?
as opposed to raping them ?”
Following the same logic as Maggot raping priests all over the world are wondering what the big deal is with their actions.
”All we did was tear the hole off a few unwanted kids. Its not like we were Dr. Josef Mengele, doing experiments on them and executing them in concentration camps.”
If a group of racists with nothing to do in the morning but get up and make 7 year girls run a gauntlet of abuse, hate and spit as they go to school, then, why not?
Dunphy talking sense. Premiership is the only bubble left on the planet.
Besides Harney.
Arseanl to win the Chamions League…please
racists ? WTF are you on about ?
These were low lives, roundly condemned by the Unionist parties and the OO.
You do know what started it, or maybe you don’t ?
Toronto. I think the Vancouver City Council is having the “what goes around comes around” busting their chops.
You know they installed a shitload of security cameras, have more police on duty than Salt Lake City Olympics did, evicted non “happy smiley people” from trading i.e. you must sign a contract that ensures you will not denigrate the olympic movement, banned all marches – maggot…you can’ go fucking anywhere these days can you? It’s a fucking joke – Vancouver has been called “more Bejing than Bejing”. Their Olympics had turned to shit. On tghe eve of the games a guy was killen on the luge track. And now they’ve been having to refund millions of dollars to fans because of all the cancelled days and having to close off viewing points. It’s been an absolute disaster both culturally and financially. Canada has won a few medals though. http://winterolympics.external.bbc.co.uk/nations/nation=CAN/index.html
Wouldn’t happen to have bee religion maggot would it?
If Joe’s so concerned about the dangers of addiction and the evil people peddling dangerous substances, why isn’t he calling for pubs and offies to be shut, given what boozing has done to his streetbegging dipso brother?
What’s that about Joe’s brother?
Read it in the paper about a year or so ago.
He’s a chronic drinker, living on the streets, begs off people.
Right, maybe if he’d had some easily accessible ‘bath salts’ instead he might have had a different life.
Wouldn’t happen to have bee religion maggot would it?
Yep – local shops in “nationalist” territory, pensioners and kids from “prod” area being beaten up and told they were not to use those shops. Something That Cunt Troy forgot to mention when he played to the media. So the neanderthal locals decided to retaliate – and things got really nasty when the kids got escorted by Gerry Kelly and other IRA men – you know how concerned about children the IRA were – they even went into a special needs school, abduscted a boy with severe learming difficulties, “questioned” him and shot him in the head, leaving the poor kid dying in the grounds of Belfast Zoo.
Holy Cross was a disgrace – but if we are going to talk about it, it needs to be put in context.
Nobody comes out well.
I drove by the one in Swords today. I think it’s called Hempishere. It’s a nice bright, mostly white and a bit of bright green and big frosted windows. It looks like an american drugstore franchise. Right next door to a bank too. And an off-licence. Business looked brisk. To be honest I drove by, pulled in and watched the comings and goings for about 10 minutes. Nice business. Observation would teach that dunce Coughlan a thing or two too. O’leary called her and her drinking buddy liars today. Things are hotting up.
By all accounts the brother is a lovely fella, but like many of his generation (and other generations in this country) his life’s been ruined by the drug you can’t question in this country, even though it fills our A+Es, makes the streets (and roads!) dangerous and kills people.
Personally speaking, I don’t like what happens in head shops. Because these substances aren’t sold for human consumption, there can be anything at all in them.
I’d much rather see a grown-up rational debate about ALL intoxicants in this country, rather than a Joe Duffy lynch mob burning down what they don’t understand.
There aren’t any head shops in Portugal, because those who want to get intoxicated can freely do so without resorting to dubious substances that no one knows what they contain.
Smackheads can go to government run clinics and take their smack with clean needles under medical supervision, away from annoying the general public.
And like other addicts, they’re offered the counselling and treatment they need to quit and gain control of their lives again.
And the criminalising of cannabis smokers and E-heads, along with the pointless waste of police resources in detection and prosecution, has been eradicated.
The result is crime is down in Lisbon, the streets are much safer and their main problem drug is, as it is here, alcohol.
Oh, and Maggot?
I’m from near Holy Cross.
Why don’t you go play in the traffic instead of making up lies about the people of Ardoyne and seeking to justify the sort of scum who throw urine over primary school kids?
Yes, but when you look at the retards that populate our government and opposition for the most part, there is the slightest chance of any intelligent debate on drugs.
Phoenix Magazine is calling a deal basically 50/50. The parades commission has to have heads of agreement negotiated and agreed by Feb 23. The Bill will then be drafted. Stormont assembly must pass the devolution of police and justice on the 9th March
What are the chances that the unionist negotiating committee force the failure over marching before 9th March?
JC Skinner Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Read it in the paper about a year or so ago.
He’s a chronic drinker, living on the streets, begs off people
Joe Duffy drives everyone to drink
My hope rests with the Brits, although even there the treatment that Dr David Nutt received for treating the issue of drugs from a medical, scientific basis led to him being sacked by the same sort of politico-mongs that we suffer from here.
Once they, as they will, accept that the war on drugs is over (Drugs won, hands down) you’ll have three weeks of the entire nation motoring to Newry for their weed and pills until the Fianna Failures cop on and their vintner pals move into the market for safer intoxicants.
Here’s something that everyone should appraise themselves with before they spout their hole off about drugs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6474053.stm
Note that these medical experts, all leaders in their fields, concluded that alcohol and tobacco are significantly more dangerous to individuals and society than a wide range of currently illegal drugs, from the relatively inert Khat all the way up to cannabis and synthetic opiates.
JC – how is labelling them low lives and neanderthals count as justifying anything?
Facts are facts JC – your community did a shit load of wrongs to the people who were trying to retaliate. And of course there was an alternative route to the school …. but those loving parents made their children endure all that hatred. Nice people.
Maggot – well named. Feeding on the rotten carcass of UDA lies to provoke a reaction.
Clinton did drugs, Bush did – there’s a lesson…Obama did. It’ll be a long time before things change. Too many powerful vested interests in keeping prohibition. Mainly my favourite people of all; Departments of “Justice”. Law written by corrupt political systems, parliaments, and enforced by the politically corrupts cronies – DOJ/Cops/Prison Systems etc, etc.
p.s. Paul Reynolds also ate my hamster
maggot. do you go to church?
Facts JC – you shinners cannot stand them
Do you deny that Gerry Kelly was there ?
Do you deny there was an alternative route ?
Do you deny that the IRA took Bernard Teggart from his special needs school and Murdered him ? Odd when there’s an apology in an fleabite.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3742780.stm
Some republicans have carried out assaults and intimidation of Protestant women and pensioners using the only local shops and post office.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/1522743.stm
maggot. I love the way you call all nationalists “shinners” and “catholics” It’s so cute and ignorant.
ROFL.
Read my blog, worm – Shinners loathe me.
Remind me why 4 year olds should be frogmarched a circuitous route to school for fear of being pelted with urine by UDA scumbags in masks?
And there is zero evidence whatsoever – other than the unsubstantiated allegations of the UDA and UFF – of any intimidation of people using the shops opposite Holy Cross.
The people of Ardoyne are well used to the slander of scumbags like yourself. Such lies are nothing new.
I don’t deny anything about the IRA, incidentally. I’ve been trying to rid the area of their presence forever. They killed plenty of people, as did the UVF, who turned the road I grew up on into a murder mile for decades.
Having been preyed on by the psychopaths of Loyalist North Belfast, I’m frankly not prepared to tolerate those rancid, ancient slanders to be propagated.
Stand up your allegations that anyone was ever intimidated attending the shops in Ardoyne, or have a nice big cup of STFU.
maggot. Just between us girls. Do you go to church?
ROFL.
Read my blog, worm. Shinners loathe me.
I’ve no interest in defending the Provos. I’ve spent years trying to rid our area of them.
Gerry Kelly, a loathsome man in many aspects, had every right to attend his local community as an elected representative when their kids were being pelted with piss and threatened with rape by Loyalist cowards in masks.
Remind me why four year olds should be frogmarched a circuitous route to school daily so as to avoid such threats?
And kindly substantiate your slanders about the shopkeepers or else enjoy a nice big cup of STFU.
Can you name one individual who was prevented from shopping? One shop that refused to serve anyone? No, of course not.
Drink up, now.
you call all nationalists “shinners”
Not all, but, as in this case, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ….
Ardoyne is a festering shit hole. I’m sure there are some decent people there, but cunts like JC make me puke.
For those unfamiliar with the terrain in question, the shops are on an interface, closer to the Shankill Road and Ligoneil than to most of Ardoyne.
It’s a tense location, due to it being a shared one, especially when the thugs go on their regular ‘tours of the North’ through nationalist areas.
But no one has ever been refused service at those shops, and there is a perfectly safe route from Protestant Ardoyne to the shops from there, straight down the main road.
And calling Aidan Troy a cunt? Shows the sort of lowlife you are.
See what I quoted fool -
“Some republicans have carried out assaults and intimidation of Protestant women and pensioners using the only local shops and post office.”
Remind me why four year olds should be frogmarched a circuitous route to school daily so as to avoid such threats?
What decent parent would use their kids to make political capitol ? Really – mind-blowing that these patents forced their kids to be exposed to such abuse.
Says it all that the peace loving scum would elect a murderous cunt. Doesn’t it ?
Really – mind-blowing that these patents forced their kids to be exposed to such abuse.
That’s fucking pathetic. Good night.
Of course the attacks from nationalist areas on Protestant communities happened elsewhere – remember Short Strand and Cluan Place ?
I’m honest – neither side came out of this well.
”Holy Cross was a disgrace – but if we are going to talk about it, it needs to be put in context.”
Context eh. Really? One mans context is anothers excuse to throw piss at a kid in a school uniform, or anothers excuse to commit murder. Its the same mindset that allows people to justify bigotry, murder, parmilatriles etc…
Itchy – if you have kids – would you knowingly expose them to danger ?
I saw what you quoted. Unsubstantiated rubbish emanating from Potts and his little gang of murderers.
Let me repeat for the slow learner: who was intimidated from shopping? When? Which shop? Even Potts couldn’t answer those questions, for the simple reason that his two brain cells couldn’t even concoct a spoof about it.
The decent parents of Ardoyne took their kids to school the way they always did – the quickest, safest route.
You haven’t an answer for why they should be forced to wander the length of North Belfast in order to avoid balloons of buckfast urine or the threat of rape.
The people who forced the children to face that abuse are, of course, the abusers.
Only a one-eyed ideologue like yourself could construct a blame the victim argument that makes children going to school the aggressors.
Oh, lost the argument, shifts location elsewhere. Well done, worm.
But cool, let’s talk about Short Strand, an enclave surrounded by many areas of Loyalist lunacy.
Shall we play ‘count the murders’?
Ha ha Ha – you misquoted me , said I claimed shops had banned people – where did I say that ? BBC report verifies my point.
The decent parents of Ardoyne took their kids to school the way they always did – the quickest, safest route.
But it wasn’t safe, was it ?
I proved my point – This was retaliation – WRONG TO DO – and G Kelly and IRA scum were there to inflame the situation and play to the media.
The BBC report does nothing of the sort. There is no evidence whatsoever of any intimidation of Protestant locals, except by the UDA who invaded the area from the Shankill after the collapse of C company (Johnny ‘Mad Dog’ Adair’s fine gentlemen).
Let me repeat again: who was intimidated from shopping? When? Which shops? By who? Any substantiating information? At least prove yourself smarter than Potts by making something up (again.)
You seem not to wish to play ‘count the Short Strand murders’ so let’s go back to the school route.
Why wasn’t it safe, remind us?
You are struggling – all sorts of straw men. You shinners don’t like facing facts.
Why wasn’t it safe, remind us?
deal with the question – what loving parent would force their children into danger ?
No, the question is ‘Why was the route which children had used perfectly safely for the entire duration of the troubles suddenly made unsafe?’
Still waiting for you to play ‘count the murders’ or indeed find me someone who was intimidated walking down the Protestant majority main road to the interface shops.
Those aren’t straw men. Those are questions you are incapable of answering.
No – I raised the question – the trouble was there and happening and wrong – what sort of loving parent would force their children into danger day after day ?
You’re asking the wrong question Maggot.
How about
‘what were these thugs trying to achieve?’
what loving parent would force their children into danger ?
Bollocks. So the cunts that were threatening them should have been let win? All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing. The parents and children stood up for their right to get their kids educated. Why don’t you address the cunts withthe bottles of piss.
”You shinners don’t like facing facts. ”
Who are these Shinners?
I notice you completely ignored my comment regarding context.
Maggot’s not asking any question. He’s simply playing ‘blame the victim’, a standard Loyalist response when they paint themselves into the corner of having to defend their own indefensible behaviour.
Mind you, one has to be impressed with the Fianna Fail tone of ‘the trouble was there and happening’. So inert, and abstract. A bit like FF’s ‘mistakes were made’. Not, ‘we made mistakes’, but mistakes were made, as if by some force of nature.
Same crap here. Why was the trouble there, worm?
Let me remind you – because the UDA C Company mongs who invaded the area after turning the lower Shankill into the wasteland it still is today decided that they should ‘put it up’ the local Nationalist community, and decided to target kids with buckfast pissbombs and threats of rape, which were all the more credible given the predilection of C Company for a bit of batty boy action in the H blocks.
Thank you Toronto – with this “So the cunts that were threatening them should have been let win? ” you accept that the politics was more important than the safety of the Children ?
Why don’t you address the cunts withthe bottles of piss.
I did – I described them as low lives, neanderthals and wrong – and condemned by the vast majority of my community including politicians and OO.
Why was the trouble there, worm?
Because your community was trying to attack their community – as shown in the BBC report.
I won’t be lectured on childrens rights by supporters of and apologists for cunts who slaughtered and maimed so many from Claudy to Warrington.
EPIC FAIL.
The BBC report suggests that the murder of Trevor Kell kickstarted the Holy Cross horrorshow. Which might be credible except for the fact that Kell, a cabbie, was murdered by feuding Loyalists.
Then the C Company killers shot a Nationalist cabbie, not, as the BBC report suggests, in retaliation for Mr Kell, who they also shot (as the PSNI stated and the BBC reported here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/1059309.stm) but because they are murdering scum who hate all Catholics.
Then, to copperfasten their hold on Protestant Ardoyne, they decided to pelt children with urine and threaten to rape them.
/history lesson
Where am I?
The BBC report clearly states
Some republicans have carried out assaults and intimidation of Protestant women and pensioners using the only local shops and post office.
You deny this – but the you would do, wouldn’t you.
Oh – and your community would be the ones to know all about child rape.
And the BBC report provides zero substantiation for that allegation (first made and also unsubstantiated by Pottsy).
And since we’ve now demonstrated that the author was entirely wrong about Trevor Kell’s murder, the onus is on him, or you, to produce some proof.
Fact is, those shops are still used perfectly safely to this day by both communities, except of course when the entire area is sealed off so that the OO (also big fans of child rape I understand, going back to Kincora and beyond) can parade their idiocy annually.
Kincora – one off . You are scraping the barrel.
How about the de la Salle home outside Kircubbin ?
parade their idiocy annually.
Changing the subject, I wonder why ?
Shall we discuss your community killing children ? Attacking Children ? Long history – going back to Castledawson in 1912.
”Oh – and your community would be the ones to know all about child rape.”
Sums up your mindset Maggot. Us and them. The whole fucking NI problem summed up in 3 words. Why is it that ‘my’ community would know all about child rape? Thats not my church, but i’m still Irish.
Thank you Toronto – with this “So the cunts that were threatening them should have been let win? ” you accept that the politics was more important than the safety of the Children.
I wouldn’t accept any of your warped thinking Maggot. Would you have done nothing and allowed yourself to be a prisoner in your own home? You’re a complete cunt if the foundation of your arguement is one of child abuse by the parents. Thats what justifies your position?
You’re a shit stirring apologist for the worst cunts on the planet. From both sides.
The annual tour of the North is what sparks the tension in that interface regularly. Certainly germane to the discussion.
Kincora a one-off? Tell that to the victims of the children’s home once described as ‘run like a gay brothel for Loyalists’.
I think if we want to play a long historical game we could talk about the murder of indigenous children during the genocide clearances of Antrim and Down in the Hamilton Montgomery plantation of 1608.
But that really would be changing the subject.
People killed kids on all sides, and they were all wrong, at all times.
Do you agree?
Toronto – as a parent I’d put the safety and well being of my children first. Always.
and if You look back matey you’ll see that I didn’t start this shitstorm – you can thank Itchy and rapemachine. Bit I won’t be lectured on children’s welfare and rights by apologists for the likes of Gerry Kelly
”Shall we discuss your community killing children ? Attacking Children ? Long history – going back to Castledawson in 1912.”
How about the murder of 3 prodestant brothers a few years ago by Orange Orger supporting cunts. Because they thought the boys were Taigs?
The KKK in a different colour bedsheet.
Does score keeping help your arguement? You seem very fond of it.
Worm, do you believe that if you keep calling me a Shinner it will somehow make it true, even though anyone with a brain can click on the linky in my name and read my blog and discover otherwise?
Gerry Kelly, or the Provos, or Uncle Tom Cobbleigh or whatever other McGuffins you want to bring into discussion are of little interest to me.
I find it sad and tragic that your mindset still exists, especially when I know for a fact that the good people of Protestant Ardoyne suffered more than anyone from the invasion of Loyalist murdering psychopaths into their area.
”Kincora – one off .”
You’re starting to sound like a bishop.
the Hamilton Montgomery plantation of 1608.
1606 my MOPE friend – and negotiated with Con O’Neill.
Gerry Kelly, or the Provos, or Uncle Tom Cobbleigh or whatever other McGuffins you want to bring into discussion are of little interest to me.
of course not – you want to whitewash out their part in the tragic events at Holy Cross.
Toronto – How about those three Australian Tourists who had the shit kicked out of them by the peace-loving people of Short Strand because they assumed they were protestants ?
Tough crowd tonight
Kincora a one-off?
Funny, I thought Drumcree hero Mark Harbinson got busted for raping kids only last October.
Think you’ll find the plantation was in 1608 too – http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/plantation/planters/es03.shtml
This is the tragedy of the Loyalist people in an nutshell. Divorced from their Irish heritage, and clinging to an unsustainable political ideology (union with people who see them as neanderthals from another land), they are forced to either warp or whitewash their own understanding of history and current events.
The old chestnut about Republicans getting degrees in prison while Loyalists got tattoos wasn’t too far from the truth.
But the tragedy for the Loyalist community is that they can’t rely on bigotry in the shipyards for jobs anymore. Now you need education, and that’s a no-no, because then they’d be confronted with the sorry reality of the shite they’ve made of their own community.
Oh, and you MOPEd first with your 1912 shenanigans.
Back then, my ancestors were busy signing the Ulster Covenant. Thankfully, they subsequently got educated and copped on to themselves.
Learn some history MOPE LOL
Because of the success of the Hamilton Montgomery settlement in 1606 James I decided to extend the plantation . DOH!
Read the link, worm. FFS, I’ve seen more intelligence in a yoghurt pot.
Ah yes, The Covenant – recent events in the ROI have shown they were right – sour grapes my MOPE friend :)
Your new favourite word? Applies very well to someone who sought to make piss-flinging killers into the victims of evil toddlers walking to school.
Read the link, worm.
Try this and get back to me .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/plantation/perspective/index.shtml
The Ulster Plantation was the most extensive and comprehensive of England’s Plantations in Ireland. The ‘Flight of the Earls’ in 1607, the subsequent rebellion of Sir Cahir O’Doherty and the vast tracts of church land (some 20% of the province, technically confiscated since the Reformation, but relatively untouched till James I’s reign) placed an unprecedented amount of territory at the disposal of the crown – virtually the whole of modern Armagh, Cavan, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Donegal.
No mention of Down and Antrim – because they had been settled already :)
”Toronto – How about those three Australian Tourists who had the shit kicked out of them by the peace-loving people of Short Strand because they assumed they were protestants ?”
Carried out by cunts. What the fuck has that got to do with anything. I was playing devils advocate a bit, just to show you how indefensible your scorekeeping attitude is. Whether its IRA, UDA, UVF, blah, blah, fucking blah, there’s always some cunt that can crunch the numbers to justify murder, (e.g. Mountbatton and the 18 soldiers killed as revenge for bloody sunday) So congratulations for having the same mindset/world-outlook as those cunts, the same mindset that allowed unspeakable criminals such as Gerry Adams and Lenny Murphy to thrive.
Also, i’d like to add: your ‘concern’ for child welfare’ when it comes to the ‘abuse’ the schoolgirls suffered by their parents hand doesn’t seem so honest when you dismiss as a ‘one off’ sexual abuse in Kincora.
Your position is fucking embarassing and utterly, utterly indefensible.
As for ‘recent events in the Republic’, one assumes you mean the economic difficulties.
I find this blog to be quite illuminating on where Unionists’ best interests lie if they want
– economic freedom – http://ulstersdoomed.blogspot.com/2010/01/economic-freedom.html
– peace – http://ulstersdoomed.blogspot.com/2010/01/does-peace-matter.html
– civil liberty and democracy – http://ulstersdoomed.blogspot.com/2010/01/civil-liberty.html
Or indeed less corruption, better education, more equality, more happiness and more wealth – http://ulstersdoomed.blogspot.com/2010/01/fairs-fair.html
I’d be the first to say the Republic isn’t perfect. But it’s better than Britain, never mind the festering ghetto Loyalism has created for a heimat.
As you stated, worm, 1606 was a negotiated settlement. Clearances began in 1608, as the link clearly states.
Do you have to work at being this remedial?
Try this from UCC –
http://tinyurl.com/ygw5qh4
But Sir Hugh in the said spring [of 1606] brought with him divers artificers, as smiths, masons, carpenters, etc. I knew many of them [as] old men when I was a boy at school, and had little employments for some of them, and heard them tell many things of this plantation which I found true. They soon made cottages and booths for themselves, because sods and saplins of ashes, alders, and birch trees (above 30 years old) with rushes for thatch, and bushes for wattles, were at hand. And also they made a shelter of the said stump of the castle for Sir Hugh, whose residence was mostlie there…
Point is MOPE that Down and Antrim were not, as you claimed, Planted in 1608 but settled in 1606.
And. When. The. Plantation. Began. Is. When. The. Child. Murdering. Started.
Or do you need me to go slower for you?
Hold on a second Toronto – 3 cunts were rightly jailed after Kincora. No government fell as happened with Fr Brendan Smythe. The Hughes Public enquiry in 1985 did not accept the politically motivated claim that there was an organised “ring”. There has been nothing on the scale that has been seen in the ROI.
You really should learn some history JC.
No doubt.
Though we’ve comprehensively demonstrated that I know much more about Ulster’s sad history, be it in the Seventeenth century or indeed 2001 or last October, than you do.
Incidentally, yet another thing I meant to call you on – dozens of the parents did indeed balk at running a gauntlet of shit-flinging thugs threatening to rape their kids. They moved their children to other schools, or in a number of instances, left the area entirely.
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2001/10/21/story390713828.asp
However, my point, and the point being made by Toronto and pretty much anyone who’s sane, is that the wrong of the Holy Cross horror lies squarely with the UDA untermenschen who invaded the area and absolutely no one else.
Also let me repeat myself:
…your ‘concern’ for child welfare’ when it comes to the ‘abuse’ the schoolgirls suffered by their parents hand doesn’t seem so honest when you dismiss as a ‘one off’ sexual abuse in Kincora.
Your position is fucking embarassing and utterly, utterly indefensible.
I’d say this’ll delay Twenty’s entry for a bit in the morning…
The Hughes report also claimed the involvement of so many Loyalist terrorists in the Kincora scandal was an ‘irrelevance’.
Meharg muzzled Cullen’s investigation which pointed to high ranking politicians and others visiting the home to rape boys.
Terry then followed Meharg, and Hughes followed Terry so that Tom King could announce that ‘the chapter was closed’ on the subject.
Which was handy for Lord Mountbatten and the other high-ranking British and Unionist establishment figures that victims claimed visited horror on them night after night.
Typical shinner – lose argument and the unpleasantness starts.
You know so much history that you didn’t even realise that the Settlement of Down and Antrim predated the Flight of the Earls ( cowards) and the plantation in 1608.
If Kincora wasn’t a one off name me another institution then ?
Christ, you really do scrape the barrel with your smears LOL You make scum like Gerry Kelly look clean.
Worm, the British government in 1990 in the Houses of Parliament finally accepted that M15 framed Colin Wallace, whose allegations about Kincora were true.
I already mentioned Mark Harbinson above. Do try to keep up.
You still seem to be struggling with the concept that the child murdering in Antrim and Down coincided with the forced clearance of the indigenous people from the rest of Ulster, and not with the initial arrival of invaders in 1606.
And your risible continuing to refer to me as a ‘Shinner’ merely betrays your own prejudices.
It’s as unfounded as if I kept referring to you as ‘Paedo’, although I’m beginning to wonder if perhaps you have a personal reason for seeking to deny known facts about Kincora?
Listen matey – It was perfectly polite until you started the name calling.
Now – why don’t you read some history – I’d suggest “The Catholics of Ulster” by Marianne Elliott.
Invaders in 1606 ? Sigh. No invasion – they settled the lands by agreement with Con O’Neill.
Of course if we do want to talk about the past how about the children Killed in England, Scotland and Wales by the Irish Colonists in the first millenium AD ? Or the Children, like Patrick, taken as slaves by Irish raiders ?
Learn some history and get back to me.
”It was perfectly polite until you started the name calling. ”
Nothing polite about what you were saying. Or your viewpoint. Of course, you chose not to respond to any accusations of a double standard as any answer you gave would make you look like a complete muppet.
Denial. Handy.
Imagine, the disgrace of someone expressing a non-republican opinion. You should look in a mirror. You lot have a lot in common with the fascists.
Yeah, Joe Duffy’s a cunt alright
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why there’ll never be peace in Northern Ireland…
I’m scared. Is Joe Duffy still a cunt?
So, in a nutshell, there’s been all sorts of shit perpetrated by both sides in the sordid history of this shithole province but loyalists are especially noxious grim grey little creatures.
Think I have it right.
I’m glad i was asleep for that one. What do we think – JC on points?
Yep – local shops in “nationalist” territory, pensioners and kids from “prod” area being beaten up and told they were not to use those shops. Something That Cunt Troy forgot to mention when he played to the media. So the neanderthal locals decided to retaliate – and things got really nasty when the kids got escorted by Gerry Kelly and other IRA men – you know how concerned about children the IRA were – they even went into a special needs school, abduscted a boy with severe learming difficulties, “questioned” him and shot him in the head, leaving the poor kid dying in the grounds of Belfast Zoo.
Maggot,
You’re one awful cock.
As JC said, the trouble was caused by the C company scum who were driven out of the Lower Shankill. I’m also from the Short Strand area and it’s obvious you know fuck all about that area either.
Take off the orange specs for once in your sad bigoted life…
Funny how the trouble on the Ardoyne interface largely receded to nothing once C Company were moved on again. Here we are, nine years later, and not one piss throwing incident since, just like there wasn’t for the 40 odd years up to C Company’s arrival in the area.
I put the number of questions Maggot couldn’t answer at a nice round dozen. Did I miss any?
This is indeed why peace is so difficult in the North. Some people prefer their own MOPEy fantasies to reality, no matter how much evidence is put before them.
I think I’ll go ring Joe Duffy and moan about it now….
A bit of common sense is all that’s needed to see that banning head shops is not the answer.
Wow, all this was going on while I slept like a baby.
That was some read. I can’t believe you lot are still arguing in all seriousness about things that happened in 1606.
But why stop there? I’m sure some genuine Neanderthal slapped a mick with a dead fish round about 25,000 b.c. It might even have been an orange fish.
I find the previous posts pretty damn scary and quite an eye opener. Thanks for that. Glad I live fucking miles away from the lot of you.
Be thankful that you don’t live alongside people who want to throw piss at your kids and threaten rape to them, Mr Crank.
I’m fed up with my community being blamed for having to live alongside nutters, as if we were responsible for the madness they inflict upon us.
social influence certainly does seem to whipped up into a frenzy by the media more so than ever before. if we take sir william of the clan o dea he was aparently cownen’s strongest minister.. apartently. Transcript v recoding of of young william’s vitriolic spew on newstalk turned the situation from a successful confidenct vote to gone! bosh
Or was it 1608?