Dublin City Council last night voted in favour of a motion by Councillors Tom Brabazon and Críona Ní Dhálaigh that will oblige developers give new estates in the city names in the Irish language only. The names of the new estates in Dublin city will reflect local history and topography.
Now, I thought I’d mention this before Gimme did, lest another anonymous gaelgoir from Australia threaten to cut his head off, but isn’t this somewhat shortsighted?
For a start, most people don’t speak a word of Irish, nor do they have any intention of learning it because Irish, nice and all as it is to have a ‘native’ language, is completely useless. Does anyone actually call Dingle whatever stupid Irish name they gave it? Nope.
Secondly, there are many foreign people in Dublin, a large number of them are involved in the critical business of delivering takeaway food. New estates are hard enough to get to know, what with the various Downs, Avenues, Walks, Closes, Crescents, Places, Parks, Groves, Drives and so on. How the hell are they going to find their way to the Irish equivalents, especially when even the people who live there can’t pronounce the names properly?
And lastly, one of the proponents of this idea is a Sinn Féin councillor and a member of Conradh na Gaeilge. I mean, the Shinners are bad enough but when you throw that other lot of outright hooligans into the mix …
Let’s face it, Irish swear words are rubbish too so you can’t even have fun naming the places ‘Cuntblister View’ and such forth. We should simply use English for everything, as that is the language that everyone speaks and understands. Or, if we have to use a foreign language, use French or anything else that doesn’t sound like Starvin Marvin’s family choking on a giraffe’s cock when you try and speak it.
Irish should just be abolished. It’s an expensive waste of time and money.
Very true.
And if the Council is going to persist with the bilingual street signs, in the interests of equality can we have the English section of “Sráid Chathal Brugha” signs changed to “Charlie Burgess Street”, as they should be?
Saw a German European road atlas a few months back, owned by a German resident here. The placenames were all in Irish. Nach ait iad ha h-áiteanna as Beárla!
To clarify, the placenames in Ireland were all in Irish!
The place names in a German atlas were Irish?!
Beer Nut – Charlie Burgess St sounds excellent
I don’t agree with place names having to have an Irish language name. But I do agree with them having some reference to the locality rather stupid faux-posh English home counties names like Hawthorne Thorpe Kingsbottom or Tossington Fablebourne Downs.
you could have your own column in the Indo…
Not as long as I O’D is still chugging along.
Tom Brabazon sounds like a fucking Lord of the Rings character.
You would want to start checking under the Honda 50 after this post Twenty..
Off the point, but I’m loving the grumpy-bollix-snowcreature at the top of the page. Very festive :)
Oh, and HM, have there not been too many brown envelpes and corrupt politicing to give relevant names to new housing estates? Think of the possibilities..
We’ll have to send Gogarty in to sort out these fuckers. Can’t stand these fascist gaelgoirs – they do more than Irish teachers to kill the language. Na caith tabac!
I think you’re being a little narrow minded about your attitude to the Irish language. You should get out more – read nós* (http://www.nosmag.com) or listen to Raidió RiRá (www.rrr.ie). Read Foinse as it’s published in the Irish Independent every Wednesday.
I’m unconvinced that Christening new estates in Dublin as Gaeilge will achieve its purpose of increasing Irish language visibility and thus increase the level of usage in the community. This is for the simple reason that I don’t see a lot – if any – new housing estates being built in Dublin in the forseeable future. Thanks to FF, the banks and developers for that!
I’m not likely to listen to radio or read newspaper supplements I can’t understand though!
And good point re: new estates. Maybe they should rename some of the old ones.
What’s the Irish for ‘Sink Estate’?
I was in Leitir Mór in the wesht there a while back and it’s all as Gaeilge. It’s a real living every day normal language in a lot of places including parts of Co. Meath. But forcing the language on people who are not interested in it is silly or amadánach.
It’s a ludicrous suggestion and only serves to drive people away from the language.
Just head to Cavan or Leitrim and look at all the makey up Irish estate names and their shite logos.
I’ll take your word for it, there’s no way I’m going there just to look at that.
Working as an engineer abroad with many different nationalities, it is sometimes handy to be able to speak your own tongue to differentiate yourself; as they do all the time when they talk amongst themselves or phone fellow country men…
They get quite surprised when they overhear me speak it (very badly!) with my father back home on the phone with some even saying “Irish is a language????”.
I must admit that its fun that with all the similar languages out there, as far as I know there is not one that is similar to irish, excepting scots gaelic.
I do wonder though if it was taught differently with references on modern culture would we be more interested? I left school knowing more german than I did Irish; had a great german teacher who made it fun; I wanted to poke my irish teachers eyes out with a spoon.
It’s all Tír Na n-Óg and Children of Lir imagery and Book of Kells celtic swirls and all that shit. And the houses are shit boxed which are most likely now in the river Shannon.
Irish has been taught very baldy for years. Lots of people hate the memory of being taught it and confuse that with the people who people speak it. Irish is a language, not a subject. It is older than most European languages.
It is the only language which can faithfully express the Irish psyche. That’s what languages do. Can you imagine French people without the French language? It’s the same for Irish but we’re too close to see that.
But I don’t agree with forcing it on people or propping it up. And equally those who speak it and want to continue speaking shouldn’t be vilified.
They never learn. What a shower of PC cunts.
the most pratical use of Irish, is by the army when they are out in africa and such places,before the have time to set up safe communications.
Charlie Burgess is he the same Charlie Burgess who rode Sharon, Why did they call a street after him.
Irish is a language, not a subject. It is older than most European languages.
Have to disagree. The Irish used these days is a very modern construct, it is certainly NOT older than most European languages, It was cobbled together from the various Irish dialects/languages in the 20th century, and is certainly not a fair reflection of the various dialects. The Ulster one was seriously under-represented because of fears of contamination by Scottish gaelic.
Yola is the oldest language in Ireland, let’s have some estates named in it as after all there are even fewer who speak Yola than Modern Oirish.
(Wikipedia says it is extinct but as always Wikipedia is wrong)
What is the irish for Cyanoacrylate, Xycem, and Cunt?
The irish speakers in Meath are refugees from Connemara, if they speak it in Cavan it must fuckin free!
Place names as gaeilge should be really interesting for the emergency services as well, what with all the despatch software bought from UK and US companies it should be a right laugh when the local Polish/Romanian/Nigerian residentsare trying to spell the road name when their house is on fire. Another well thought out idea from the Shinners
What is the irish for …. Cunt?
Aengus Ó Snodaigh
The best example of Irish sounding “funny” is Gerry Adams. For some reason, and who’d have thought, Irish loses all it’s fluffyness when a West Belfast accent strangles it.
“and seriously when are we EVER going to use Irish, or trigonometry or geography… Its such a waste of time… and Becky Murphy let me touch her on the boob at the weekend, outside her jumper now mind, but I touched it and I could definitley feel a bump…in my trousers if no-where else…and,and,and “
“Irish has been taught very baldy for years”
I agree HM, I was taught Irish very baldy, and baldly at that.
The irony is that for non-native English speakers Mullingar and Muilleann Cearr, for example, are as easily pronounced.
Of course Mullingar means nothing, other than being a place on a map in English, whereas Muilleann Cearr means something, as well as being a place on a map.
Mullingar, Muillean Cearr shit hole.
Could it have been passed because with the recession there won’t BE any new estates, especially if the developers (euphemish for robbers) have to give them stupid names?
yet more nationalistic poppy-cock! What’s a language for other than a means of communication, if the purpose is to communicate then why the hell make that more difficult. By the way Irish has never been the language of dublin city. Was founded by vikings in tenth century (norse) and then taken over by normans in 12thC and using English ever since. English is the language of Dublin so get over it, and by the way we’re damn lucky that it is!
HM, I think Joyce better expressed the Irish psyche than most, and he walked out of his Irish classes ‘cos the teacher (a Mr. P. Pearse) kept ranting about how evil English is.
Dublin City Council should not be wasting their time with such garbage. A more urgent change of name is to take the label Archbishop Ryan Park off of the park in Merrion Square. This Ryan geezer spent his time covering up for child molesters, as well as filling most other children’s heads with lies.
I propose Brian Trevaskis Park. He had the right idea about these bishops way back when, before it was fashionable. And look what happened to him.
Brave man young Trevaskis! What did happen to him ?
http://www.scoilnet.ie/lookathistory/Video2.aspx?FolderId=1&Id=541&ref=4
Trevskis had it nailed dead right as it turned out.
“Brave man young Trevaskis! What did happen to him?”
He committed suicide.
Although I get that from here:
http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93936
But there’s no reference on the wiki page it links to.
‘choking on a giraffe’s cock’
Where the fuck are your death threats?
Disappointingly not one yet.
Buy my Viscounts or I’ll kill you.
Does that count ?
Not really. Regretting the bulk purchase yet?
Its tomorrow in anonymous land, he/she/it is still sleeping
Early days, the assassins are still watering their plants and drinking milk.
Regretting the bulk purchase yet?
The Government will bail me out. I know where the bodies are buried!
Or should that be bale me out ?
Make excellent omelette fillings.
What is the irish for …. Cunt?
Peig Sayers.
Another heh.
I assume, like everyone else, you modified the front of your Peig book so it spelt ‘P IG’
If Dublin City Council want to do something constructive, how about making Sraid Ui Chonail a bit safer.
Last night going to the Izzard concert, I narrowly avoided some junkies, only to have to side step some hobos.
To say nothing of the sunken-eyed hoodie wearers, ruffians, rapscallions and assorted ne’er do wells.
But enough about the queue in Beshoffs
Dublin City Council last night voted in favour of a motion by Councillors Tom Brabazon and Críona Ní Dhálaigh that will oblige developers give new estates in the city names in the Irish language only. The names of the new estates in Dublin city will reflect local history and topography.
That is fucked up. That is seriously fucked up. On a Swiss/Minaret level of fucked uppedness.
This disgusting vile sewer of a country, whose people elect these scummy vile attention-seeking-whores, gets what it deserves. What a fuck-up. “Hey man, take me home mr taxi dude” “Where do you live” “Shin fein scum shitsville or wherever”. Fascism hasn’t gone away you know.
You can butcher an estate name without theirish language. Look at UCD’s Merville and Belgrove.
On this side of the pond i’ve seen a town called Streetsville, and an Avenue Road and today Sodom. TodayI bypassed Sodom. Dia dom.
I live in Leitrim, in a new(ish) estate, and hey guess what, it has a silly Irish name! I think it’s ridiculous. I can’t stand the pretentious Irish names people give their kids these days either. We should be teaching French, German or Spanish in National Schools instead.
AND SO THE OIRISH BLISSFULLY FORGET THE PAEDO AND POLITICIAN SCANDALS, THE SHITE THEY ARE SERVED AT EVERY TURN AND GAILY RUN OVER THE HILLS CHASING THE LATEST GOVERNMENT RED HERRING….
JAZUS LADS, YOU FUCKING DESERVE EVERYTHING YOU GET THROWN AT YOU FROM NOW ON…
What ..speak up gluey I cant hear you
Mmmm Peig Sayers wearing those all the rage shiny black leggings and she calling me a BIG BOY as gaeilge
it rises ….
Uuuuunnnzzziiipppppp
>> We should be teaching French, German or Spanish in National Schools instead.
Me bolix ..we should be teaching them chinese and hindi
This decision is absolutely ridiculous!!! Sinn Fein nutbags up to their old tricks again – leprechaun twats!! I say we ban the use and teaching of Irish, get rid of that tricolour rag and order a fatwah on that boy in Rome with the red hat – that’ll fix all this wee shit country’s problems in a flash – the priest-ridden wee hole that it is.
Firstly, the first written language in Ireland was Latin and the Irish language is loaded with romance vocabulary and structure, so let’s get off our ‘original tongue’ high horses.
Secondly, if there’s one thing we learned from Riverdance is that if you put slim girls in short skirts you can sell anything. So instead of grey, depressing housing estates, the Gaelgórs should force a ruling that all porn (video AND literature) should be distributed exclusively in Gaelic. That way they won’t be the only ones who get a hard on every time they think of Irish culture.
Oh yeah and as for the GAA wankdogs – they’re the potatoe eatin scumbags who keep this Irish cultural shite going (almost as evil as the Sin Fein monkeys)I propose we take immediate corrective action against ANYONE found to be using, storing or have posession with intent of an O Neills size 5 or a hurl- what use are these offensive items in a progressive western world?!?!?
Jeeeeeeez this has got me hoppin mad this mornin – the Sin Fein tramps – who the hell do they think they are????? I propose that we now (as a progressive society) look to mainland Britain and ban the use of Irish personal names, placenames and ANYTHING AT ALL that has an Oirish fuckin odour – especially quasi politcal fanatics like the Sinn Fein monkeys
I admire your reasoned rhetoric, upforitallthetime.
The time for reasoned rhetoric has all but gone, I reckon, this decision by the Sin Fein potatoe munchin leprechaun monkeys could tip this country over the edge!!!! Bring back the Black and Tans I say – and we can beat them back to the bogs where they belong – republican scum – how fuckin dare they drag this country down to their pathetic leprachaun level
Upfor,
How about you just fuck off to your mainland paradise…
Oh yeah Globetrotter – I take it you’re a leprechaun loving Irish language freak eh???? tut tut tut – put that potatoe down, grow up and join the real world – don’t try and drag the rest of us back to your bog
You’re sound like someone landed you with an Irish name, Upfor:
Caoimhín or Oilleóg or something.
You pain is understandable.
Nah, don’t understand a word of it.
It’s potato by the way…
Thanks for the compassion mate – you’re right – I was forced by those who should have known better to have a fada on my name – a fucking FADA!!!!!! What the fuck good is a fada gonna do for me??? I travel often to mainland UK and really – the idea of trying to explain to someone there the idea of a fuckin fada just gives me the shakes!!!!!! Honestly its bad enough having to try and hide my accent……
It must be awful having to explain yourself in front of your superiors on the mainland. Your forelock must be fuckin tugged off ye…
That was a small bit of the hamely tongue in there.
Its nothin to do with tuggin forelocks, me old china – its to do with gettin with the real world – and when I do get to visit the mainland it is so clear that even our painfully twee regional accent is a barrier to success. So, imagine if i was trying to converse in the Leprechaun language (as Sin Fein would have us all do) – it just doesn’t bear thinkin about man!
I went on a black cab tour of Belfast one time, and they told us how in the Falls the provos had changed all the street name signs to Irish back in the 70′s. They had to change them back a few months later because the postmen kept getting lost :-)
I think Irish names are a good idea. I’m sick of new developments with pointless names like Oakwood or Waterside.
Perhaps a spell in Eton or Harrow would sort out your frightful regional accent. Such a barrier to one’s progression in one’s chosen field, what.
Me old china? Are you fuckin serious?
I don’t see the problem with an Oakwood if it’s beside a wood with some oaks in it, or a Waterside that is close to a river. Of course the Watersides could increase rapidly what with all that flooding and stuff.
yes – I’m serious – my old china! Or would you rather I called you “A chara” or some leprechaun shit like that???????????? How typically crass and Oirish
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Typically crass and Oirish?
Let me guess, North Down?
I think our friend ‘upforitallthetime’ is baiting us. He sounds like a he’s a paid up member of the Dublin branch of SF.
either that or the “it” in his name stands for “being a complete cunt”..
in which case he is more than welcome..
He’s a tróll.
Anyone who has his ‘issues’ with a fada must wonder why people on the continent insist on having foreign versions of perfectly sound British names, with accents.
Maggot, never heard of Yola but just looked it up. Interesting. Also found a reference to Fingalian, an extinct language from north Dublin. But that’s been replaced by an equally strange language called Owya.
But earliest examples of written Irish/Gaelic were in the form of Ogham script which when verbalised is in fact Gaelic. This goes way back to some time between the 4th and 5th centuries. And yes today’s official Irish is very different but so are all languages because of the merging of their dialects. Anglo Saxon developed into modern English from the middle ages onwards.
All sounds a bit troll like to me.
HM, “It’s a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Yola Ya-ya-ya-ya Yola…”
Jeeez this is all sooooooo depressing!!! Why do you all keep looking back into the mists of time before civilisation was brought to this place!!!! Ogham????? More like O.M.G! As for that obvious paranoid leprechaun lover who accused me of being a Sin Feiner – grow up matey – they’re the spud-lovers who want us all speaking that irelevent, contrived, in-bred Leprechaun Language!!!!!! I mean, really…………
YOLA WAS A LATE DEVELOPMENT – MIXTURE OF OLD IRISH, NORSE AND ANGEVIN-FRENCH….ONLY SPOKEN IN ONE SMALL AREA OF IRELAND, DOWN WEXFORD WAY…
OGHAM WAS NAMED AFTER OGMHUS – THE CLETIC GOD OF KNOWLEDGE…
I speak Irish fluently having been raised from a pup by a family who found me on the side of the road.
Mammy used to make me drink from her.
In Northern Ireland and on the Mainland UK there is a specific law that states that all new Housing Developments MUST be named in English. Here here – in this era of modernity and progress I propose that we follow that example.
“In Northern Ireland and on the Mainland UK”
So that law does not apply on the Scilly Isles, or Lewis, etc?
Hey Titler, could you look up the Gaelic word for ‘inferiority complex’ and pass it ton to fada boy there.
Does chipping bits of the edge of an upright stone count as a written language? Punctuation certainly, but script?
Point I’m making about the Irish that is being pushed is that is even more modern than esperanto. It is an invented composite that was formulated in a political manner.
Yep . There were Irish dialects many hundreds of years ago HM, but those bear little or no relation to the mongrel Oirish pushed as part of the Holy trinity of the Khmer Verde ( Gaelic, Oirish Republicanism and Catholicism. One might as well say that modern English is Thousands of years old because of some of it’s Greek and latin Derived words.
Very little is known of what was in the Irish past because it was primarily an Oral culture.
Funny and true story, Riff raff in a prod estate rioted when place names in a language they didn’t understand went up, they assumed it was Oirish but it was in fact Ulster Scots, which has at least a couple of hundred years of pedigree unlike this monstrous modern Oirish.
Gluey, Yola developed many centuries before Modern Oirish was cobbled together in the 20th Century. Even bleeding esperanto was invented in the 19th century!
“but it was in fact Ulster Scots, which has at least a couple of hundred years of pedigree unlike this monstrous modern Oirish.”
You don’t have spout some bollocks…
Or wud thon be ballicks?
Globetrotter, It is factual. Eat it buddy LOL
Ulster Scots has writing back to the 18th century. Modern Irish or Standardised Irish was only created in the 20th century.
The rhyming weaver James Orr of Ballycarry wrote in Ulster Scots at the time of the 1798 rebellion.
Your concern for foreign tourists and workers navigating As Gaeilge is touching, but in this case I doubt it matters that much. As far as some bloke from Lithuania or China is concerned, O’Connell Street is just as foreign a name as Sráid Uí Chonaill. The natives will grumble about Irish language signs, just as they have in this thread, because it carries emotional baggage for them. No one else will give a toss.
Lets make up a language…
Niff hid ma gilly up yer toddeck smullam dohl.
sitck ti pu yuor hloe msaetr..
smoe ploepe fnid tiehr ctlurue vrey hrad to slawolw.. lkie bnieg ebmrsaraesd by tiehr pnreats..
gack hdi gor gilly aon gollax?
at last Peadar,you are able to speak your true tongue..
Hoddy twod in a nyakl dorf gellish Peader
It would be more useful if they named the estates in Vulcan, might attract Trekkie conventions.
50% of them in Elvan (elfish?) maggot, so we can include the lords of the ringpieces too.
That would be so cool Lung. Twenty makes a wonderful Saruman in Tallaght, where In Dublin would count as Mordor ?
Hok maman tweern ist a Maggot fenick.
This marklar is giving me a marklar in my fucking marklar
Vorsprung durch technik Twenty.
Maggot,
A Ballymena accent is not a language…
Good money making scam though, wish I’d thought of it.
Fuck Irish. I reckon the next new language is gonna come out of mobile phone txting. Me mot and I txt each other everyday and the amount of short cuts never ceases to amaze me. Soon we will be speaking in short clipped tones like machines hehe. I’d love to write a novel in mobile txt sigh
@Feynman’s Ghost
我们教中文，非常好。
敏捷的懒惰个绞死
Sorry Globetrotter, they use words not in the English canon.
You republican zealots have to face facts, Ulster Scots has literature going back hundreds of years whereas this standardised Oirish is just a mongrel mishmash invented quite recently by Pearse’s disciples who realised that they had to do something to try and rescue his filthy racist dream of holy gaelic Catholic Ireland free of all things English. The Khmer vert have failed and failed miserably. Their success will be measured in a manky estate named in a language that is despised.
Dammit, I was under the impression that everyone in Ireland, especially the North, spoke Gaelic, dammit. And now here I found out that I have wasted minutes, nay, maybe even a whole hour, attempting to learn Gaelic, and all for naught, as no one there speaks it?! You have killed my dream, Twenty.
It could be worse, though, you know. Here in Southern California they bulldoze all the local flora and fauna and then name the tracts of homes, the streets, etc., after them. “Deer Creek Park,” indeed. There’s no fucking deer, there’s no goddamn creek, and it’s barely a park. They really take the piss.
They do the same here FS. They build houses called mountain view and then build high rise apartment blocks which, well block the view.
In Ni we called our streets after slaughter grounds of WWI and then fought in them.
A housing estate is where you cut down all the trees, build some crappy houses in narrow street, and then call the streets after the trees.
I’m with gluastain on this, o’ reillys media feed us more pointless shite to distract us from the real damage tha’s being done to society by the big boys and vested interests.
whats the irish for home repossession anyway? because thats where the real story is.
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Hi, just to say, I have set up a Facebook group campaigning against compulsory Irish.
Please spread it to everyone you know, as a lot of Irish people are angry about this issue, but they are rarely represented by our political and educational leaders.
I guess many of our politicians are scared about losing votes to Irish-language-enthusiast groups, who can be very millitant.
Or I guess, like many others, our politicians can let their own love of the language override any questions of individual freedom or educational importance.
http://www.facebook.com/groups.php?ref=sb#/owen.feehan?ref=profile
Oops, sorry, wrong link from me:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=212291668092
(If an admin could edit the previous link, it would be great!)