Prosecute them all
Posted on | November 30, 2009 | 69 Comments
See any priest that abused a child? Prosecute him. I don’t care if he’s 90 years of age and dribbling down his chin. Prosecute him.
See any bishop that covered it up, that moved a priest, that helped that priest abuse again? Prosecute him.
Any archbishop or cardinal, any lay person or any health worker, any member of any government or any minister for health that knew about this and did nothing? Prosecute. Start at the top and work your way down. Nobody should be exempt.
We hear all this talk about resignations. Fuck resignations. If a bishop is still a bishop when he’s sent down for covering up heinous crimes then all the better. That’s a nice message to send.
And when we’ve finished prosecuting them ALL, we can go about making things right. Get the church out of our schools and hospitals. Look at the power they still have, further generations blinded to their malign influence, people making excuses for the rape of children. Think about that. They went to church yesterday, providing physical, moral and financial support to an organisation that rapes children. How sad.
The church’s hold over the main government party shouldn’t be underestimated either. The Minister for Justice introduced a blasphemous libel law, for fucks sake. There are well known connections between senior members of FF, past and present, and right wing catholic groups like Opus Dei and the Knights of Columbanus.
Look at the wicked deal Minister for Education Michael Woods did with the religious orders. He protected them and their assets and left the bulk of the compensation for abuse claims to be paid by taxpayers. Explain to me how the taxpayer is in any way liable for crimes carried out by the church?
Ireland is a nation where nobody in power is accountable for anything they do. Not politicians, bankers, senators, the church. That has to change.
Criminals, regardless of their assumed position in society, must be responsible for their crimes. I’m a bit surprised we haven’t had more in the media calling for prosecutions in the wake of the Murphy Report, but maybe the influence of the church goes deeper than we think.
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November 30th, 2009 @ 12:14 pm
I agree twenty. If you or I did something similar we’d be done for aiding and abetting WHICH IS A CRIME. It’s also known (appropriately enough) as perverting the course of justice. It’s pretty unambiguous.
Of course, someone in ‘authority’ has decided that Donal Murray is the sacrifical lamb in all this. His decision to resign or not will be used as a smoke screen for the next week or so to take the heat and focus off the rest of the cunts who allowed the abuse of children to go on for so long.
Just watch how it plays out.
November 30th, 2009 @ 12:18 pm
Did you see the story in the Sunday Times I linked a couple of days ago Twenty ? Michael Woods as Health Minister in 1980 and his part in an abusing priest being allowed to foster?
The idea of State responsibility is for two reasons, it subcontracted, if you like, aspects of it’s duties to the Church and then failed to supervise.
The Church should be treated the way the French and Germans are trying to deal with Scientology.
It’s rotten from the bottom right to the top. An Australian Arch Bishop charged with selling and distributing Child Pornograpy ?
November 30th, 2009 @ 12:20 pm
Yes, maggot. I saw that. The thing is, we’re not dealing with stupid men. For the most part they are well educated and that a priest tried foster a child would have sent alarm bells ringing all over the place. Yet nobody said a word.
Get them out of our education system straight away or we are inflicting the same damage on future generations.
November 30th, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
I’ll be curious to see how the RTE current affairs shows treat it. Will media/government collusion come to the fore again? I take your point that it’s probably happened already, so I don’t hold out much hope.
November 30th, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
As Blanshard pointed out education is the key to everything for them. They can only survive if they are given children to brainwash into deference and the idea that only the Church can provide truth.
November 30th, 2009 @ 12:39 pm
YOU ARE DOUBLY DELUDED IF YOU BELIEVE FOR ONE MOMENT A BISHOP OR CARDINAL WILL DO TIME FOR THIS…
November 30th, 2009 @ 12:46 pm
I’m not deluded, Gluey. I don’t believe any of them will. What I’m saying is that they should.
November 30th, 2009 @ 12:46 pm
Radge – yeah, it’ll be interesting but remember this an organisation that still plays the Angelus every day.
November 30th, 2009 @ 12:58 pm
Getting them and their lies out of the schools should be the first priority. Speaking as the father of two small girls it’s certainly my priority. I can keep them away from the RC Church in most other areas.
Voices calling for this have slowly been coming into the media, (notably Fintan O’Toole), but it’s still too little. The schools need to be nationalised and all their discriminatory admission policies have to be scrapped. Apart from being an organisation now proved to condone child rape, the behaviour of the Vatican and the papal nuncio with regard to the Murphy Report is, well let’s say, interesting.
By hiding behind their “proper diplomatic channels” etc, they are in effect admitting that they are a foreign country. So why is a foreign country controlling the state funded schools of the Irish Republic?
And, can we now get rid of that big ugly cross in the middle of the Phoenix Park?
November 30th, 2009 @ 1:02 pm
Donal Murrey needs to be booted out on his arse, never mind ‘letting him resign.’
November 30th, 2009 @ 1:05 pm
I wouldn’t expect too much out of RTE. Their Religious Affairs department and in other departments have too many Keiros graduates pulling strokes for RTE to be an effective member of the Fourth Estate in this issue.
For anyone who does not know who Keiros are, they are a media training and production unit which has supplied a large amount of christian propoganda for RTE. Keiros is run out of Maynooth and is clearly owned by the christian right, closely linked to the catholic church.
I wouldn’t mind taking a look at the way RTE commissions it programmes from this company- they seem to have a free run without much competition from other companies.
Another black-garbed rat in the Irish state system.
November 30th, 2009 @ 1:10 pm
Larry, I’ll get a massive crane if you keep sketch. That Papal cross does my head in.
November 30th, 2009 @ 1:12 pm
Captain – http://www.kairoscomms.ie/courses.html
November 30th, 2009 @ 1:19 pm
I retract my earlier statement.
I don’t hold out any hope.
November 30th, 2009 @ 1:20 pm
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Holemaster – I was thinking more of someone with a very large angle grinder.
November 30th, 2009 @ 1:39 pm
At last! Amid Donal Murray’s contemplation, the Archbishop calling for abusers to “search their own conscience” and Willie Walsh’s insistence that the report was mis-read someone talks sense. Well said Twenty.
November 30th, 2009 @ 1:42 pm
Willie Walsh said WHAT?
November 30th, 2009 @ 1:46 pm
Willie Walsh said this – http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/bishop-murphy-report-findings-misread-436337.html
November 30th, 2009 @ 1:47 pm
What a deluded geebag.
November 30th, 2009 @ 2:33 pm
“And Bishop Walsh went on: “I’m quite uncomfortable with this kind of public trial.”
Of course – the church always prefers its trials to take place behind closed doors.
“I’d have to ask: is it about healing of survivors or is it about some sort of desire that we need to get a head on a plate?”
It’s called justice, you moron.
November 30th, 2009 @ 2:38 pm
Thinking about your change one letter article a few days back. Wouldn’t persecute them all make more sense. A lot of smug, po faced moralising hypocrites.Yep persecute in the biblical sense teach them the meaning of humility cause that hasn’t been part of the Irish catholic church since the repeal of the penal laws.
November 30th, 2009 @ 2:43 pm
Persecution would be fun. Just can’t get my head around how little people are calling for criminals to be punished beyond a slap on the wrist from another religious cuntbucket.
November 30th, 2009 @ 2:48 pm
Interesting. Could this law be applied to the bishops?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1130/breaking50.htm
November 30th, 2009 @ 2:56 pm
How about internment? Open up the Curragh Camp and stick them in there. It was good enough for IRA who were also a threat to the sovereignty of the State.
November 30th, 2009 @ 3:06 pm
Another excellent piece about this Twenty. You have covered it far more representatively of how I and many people feel, and with far more raw and convincing empathy for those affected by abuse, than anywhere else I’ve seen. Thank you
November 30th, 2009 @ 3:33 pm
1600 – 1921 Ruled by London via Landed Gentry
1922 – 2009 Ruled by Rome via their Complicit Servants
It must be our turn by now?
November 30th, 2009 @ 3:44 pm
Yeah, it’s our turn to make a fucking bollix of it all.
November 30th, 2009 @ 3:55 pm
its often said that we are all cunts but i feel a lot less cunty compared to these cunts. In fact Im a goddamn amateur
November 30th, 2009 @ 3:57 pm
Cunt is too good for them. We need a new word.
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:08 pm
Stepinac. If They’ll stand behind a mass murdering ArchBishop, who thinks they’ll give a rat’s arse about some Dodgy Bishops? Hell, they promoted Stepinac to Cardinal. And which Cardinal was one of the first to be entertained by Ratso when he became Emperor ? Cardinal Bernard Law.
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:15 pm
Can we start shooting the necessary Cardinals, Archbishops, Bishops and Priests yet?
I fucking hate waiting for christmas.
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:18 pm
Shower of cunts!! While I agree with all the sentiments expressed here, the Irish are generally a perverted populus when it comes to power and its weilders. Its always been thus and I for one cant see that changing anytime soon. Those of you with children have only one true course of action. Get out and get out now if only for their sakes. Its a defunct country.
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:22 pm
Twenty- re the Angelus. Someone I email back and forward with wrote to RTE some months back to enquire who the hell actually wants the Angelus on a 6pm every evening.
He got a letter back from RTE quoting ‘research’ by some chap- forgetting to put the ‘Fr’ in front of the prick’s name.
No one as far as I know has seen this priest’s ‘research’ which i am sure will turn out to be a survey of his Mammy’s views.
There are some bent cunts within RTE who need to be rooted out- among other national institutions.
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:38 pm
Another Book recommendation, Eamonn McCann, “Dear God, The Price of Religion in Ireland”
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dear-God-Price-Religion-Ireland/dp/1898876584
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:40 pm
Marian Finucane sometimes runs over the noon marker for the Angelus and it gets dropped. I wonder is that deliberate?
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:42 pm
In post war Germany, the allies had a policy of Denazification. After the invasion of Iraq, the US had a policy of De-Ba’athification. Ireland really needs some De-Catholicization.
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:45 pm
[I]“…maybe the influence of the church goes deeper than we think?
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/4/49/Popewoods.jpg
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:46 pm
Whoops, sorry twenty. Can you de-biggify?
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:48 pm
We need to de-Romanize.
Must be careful not to persecute anyone on the basis of the religion they follow. That’s an easy mistake to make.
But the clergy and lay people who abused and facilitated it, must be prosecuted. And then the Church must be totally and utterly separated from the State.
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:49 pm
Marian Finucane sometimes runs over the noon marker for the Angelus and it gets dropped
Marian Finucane:Sacrilicious…
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:52 pm
according to the Citizensinformation.ie website, the Bishops, if they did such thing today would be guilty of Reckless endangerment of children
The Criminal Justice Act 2006 provides for a new offence of reckless endangerment of children.
unfortunately this law was only came into effect on 1 August 2006, and as fr as i know such lws are not retro-active (which would be unconstitutioal anyway)
according to the website:
since at least 1996 the ISPCC were calling for the introduction of mandatory reporting of sexual abuse by all professionals involved
since at least 1990 the Law Reform Commision were calling for the introduction of mandatory reporting of sexual abuse by all professionals involved
Why successive mostly Catholic Fiannia Fail gov’ts refused to implement this is known only to the (Catholic) Ministers and (Catholic) TD’s involved
If we’re going on a with-hunt may I suggest that we start with the Politicians who have helped run interference for these Serial child-Abuse-enabling Bishops over the years
November 30th, 2009 @ 4:57 pm
Jsut changed it to a link, pecker!
November 30th, 2009 @ 5:03 pm
After that let’s move on to the Gardai.
Oh and the Knights of Columbanus, of course.
The Garda Super in Wexford who helped Brendan Comiskey cover for paedophile priests in his Diocese is said to have confessed that he did so mainly because he was asked to by a fellow member of the Knights of Columbanus, namely the aforesaid Brendan Comiskey.
One of the strongest opponents of the introduction of the ‘Stay Safe’ programme in Irish schools, were the Knights of Colombanus.
The Teachers union complained to the Dept about apparent opposition in the dept of Education to the introduction of the programme so the Dept of Ed setup a meeting between Union reps and some of the Dept Mandarins dealing with the issue.
When the meeting occurred the Teacher Reps were flabbergastted to see that the Dept liaison appointed to deal with this, was in fact a high-up member of the Knights of Columbanus and well known for his vehement opposition to the introduction of this programme.
So the question has to be asked ‘Why did the serving Minister of Ed appoint an high-up member of the Knights and known opponent of the programme, to be the Dept’s Liaison on this issue?’
November 30th, 2009 @ 5:09 pm
The influence of the Catholic Church on the affairs of this nation run far far deeper than most people are willing to believe
November 30th, 2009 @ 5:21 pm
Who the fuck are the Knights of Columbanus
November 30th, 2009 @ 5:29 pm
And who the fuck are the Kanootzins?
November 30th, 2009 @ 5:35 pm
Peader:
Check out their pathetic statement on the Murphy report:
http://www.knightsofstcolumbanus.ie/news.php#32
November 30th, 2009 @ 5:45 pm
your man who signed the statement is a Supreme Knight. What the fuck? Is he in Harry Potter?
November 30th, 2009 @ 5:59 pm
The Knights of Columbanus are cross breed of Trade Union and Free Masons, in other words an other shower of fuckin Catholic hypocrites.
November 30th, 2009 @ 6:39 pm
http://www.knightsofstcolumbanus.ie/council_of_directors.php
Lord jesus …. blind circle jerking in dark cupboards ..knights,fucking dragons and magic wafer bread
Twenty ..go and join them and work your way up to chief dragon slayer or whatever the fuck it is …BRING’EM DOWN from within
November 30th, 2009 @ 6:52 pm
That’s who runs our country folks. Jobs for the boys from Blackrock, Gonzaga, Rockwell, St. Michael’s etc.
Catholic private school buddies decide who gets what and who runs what. And I guarantee you, if you presented a serious sustained threat to their power, you’d know all about it. Cops stopping you all the time, refused bank loans, false allegations, intimidation. Dodgy brakes on the car.
November 30th, 2009 @ 9:31 pm
The only way to get those who are guilty of such crimes prosecuted is to vote into office ALL new people who will go after the abusers and the enablers. Before voting for them, vet them, each and every one. Those who are middle of the road, or close to it on the issue, dump.
But, face it, the truth of the matter is that people have been voting for the same old party hacks over and over again. They’ve been voting that way all their lives because that’s the way daddy voted. People will change their religion before they change their political party affiliation. While thoughts of change might be in the head, it’s not in the heart. Face it: Your fucked.
November 30th, 2009 @ 10:21 pm
The Late Paddy Devlin wrote about Hume and the Knights working to set the SDLP up as a Catholic middle Class party rather than, as Devlin and others wanted, a NI non sectarian version of the British Labour Party.
November 30th, 2009 @ 11:30 pm
I disappointed to hear that about Hume.
November 30th, 2009 @ 11:30 pm
‘m
December 1st, 2009 @ 1:39 am
Not a Hume Fan. I’d have him in the Cunt category.
December 1st, 2009 @ 2:35 am
Having been abused by a priest at age 9 myself I find the pleadings of the Bishop in Limerick reprehensible. This bastard claims he wasn’t sure that the sexual molestation of a minor was an actual crime so he didn’t report the matter to anyone, yeah, right. The cunt is as guilty as the rest of those fucking perverts that wear white collars…
December 1st, 2009 @ 9:00 am
Speaking about connections between State and Church. This is an outfit few know about its called
[not making this up] The Sacred Military Constatantinian Order of Saint George.
Information here..
http://www.constantinian.org.uk/main.htm
Some of Ireland’s great and good have some very fancy titles.
From 2004.
President McAleese is a Dame Grand Cross with Gold Star within the Special Category with the collar decoration.
On the occasion of his visit to Ireland, the Order’s Grand Prior, His Eminence Mario Francesco, Cardinal Pompedda, invested the Irish Taoiseach (Prime Minister), Mr Bertie Ahern, TD, with the insignia of Knight Grand Cross of Merit with Gold Star within the Special Category.
Its like some secret society not unlike the masons. They are all peas in a pod.
Don’t expect any action from politicians.
December 1st, 2009 @ 9:15 am
Just on the subject of continued interference in state agencies by the catholic church I see that well-known religious flangenut John Waters is one of the five government appointees to the Board of the new Broadcasting Authority of Ireland.
Thats right- a catholic mullah is regarded by Fianna Fail as having the necessary objectivity to decide Irish Broadcasting Standards.
We should be booting these nutters out of Irish public policy arenas, not placing them in positions of influence.
Fianna Fail and the Catholic Church are nothing but a psychological replacement for the British Empire in Ireland. A middle-eastern cult whose beliefs are as ditzy as Scientology.
That organisation is about as Irish as Osama Bin Laden.
December 1st, 2009 @ 9:28 am
You sure Captain? – http://www.independent.ie/national-news/ryan-defends-promoters-appointment-1959390.html
Says it’s John Reynolds, not John Waters.
December 1st, 2009 @ 9:42 am
Well done on speaking da troof on this twenty. There’s precious little reason out there, yesterday there were morons on Joe Duffy debating whether or not Murray should resign as if that was going to solve everything. And get this, some people weere wondering whether maybe they might withold putting money in the plate at mass this week.. yeah, like that’s the new punishment for covering up child abuse, getting docked a few days’ pay. It’s fucking madness.
Are there any politicians out there who support the separation of church and state?
December 1st, 2009 @ 12:02 pm
The Church commits real crimes against real children. Why are the bishops not in prison?
The report mentions a priest using holy water in an altar bowl to wash the scent of a girl from his hands after assaulting her in a confessional. Another priest assaults a small girl by brutally inserting his crucifix into her vagina and then her back passage.
Religion is very sinister.
December 1st, 2009 @ 1:34 pm
Here you go Twenty- from the authority’s website John Waters was one of the government appointees. He’s named on their site.
http://www.bai.ie/about_authority.html
December 1st, 2009 @ 2:31 pm
Just looking at the website of that Sacred Military Constatantinian Order of Saint George, (yes it is real). They have a Grand Inquisitor on their books, His Excellency Prince Carlo Cito Filomarino,
(Prince of Rocca d’Aspro). Wonder what his duties involve.
If Ahern and Mary McAleese are on board, here’s what they’ve had to do for membership, apart from being “practising Roman Catholics and in good standing with the Church” that is.
1. Work for the glorification of the Christian Cross, the preaching of the Roman Catholic Faith and the defence of the Roman Catholic Church.
2. Promote the spiritual and physical welfare of the sick and disabled, the poor, the homeless and the illiterate; to aid and protect them and contribute to their material and moral support; to establish institutions of Christian charity to attend to their needs; to co-operate with other agencies or institutions which engage in like work; and, generally, to do any and all things and engage in any and all activities which, in the judgment of the Grand Master and the Council of the Delegation may be necessary or proper to accomplish the aforesaid purposes and objectives.
So, the defense of the Catholic Church is one of the prime directives. Little hope then of seeing bishops doing a perp walk in full regalia and handcuffs.
December 1st, 2009 @ 2:32 pm
December 1st, 2009 @ 2:48 pm
Sorry for the html error above.
More on the Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George.
If you go to their site and navigate to their “Irish Activities” section for 2001, you find the following…
The Duke and Duchess of Calabria during their visit to Great Britain from 7-9 November 2001 invested several new Irish knights and dames into the Sacred Military Constantinian Order and the Royal Order of Francis I. They included HE Michael Joseph McDonnell, Lieutenant of the papal Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre in Ireland; Professor Richard Conroy, a former Senator of Ireland, Gerard Lawler and the Rev Feargal McGrady from Belfast….
….Over 150 other knights, dames and their guests were present including Irish and British parliamentarians and eleven Ambassadors, High Commissioners and diplomats accredited to Ireland, the Court of St James’s and the Holy See.
So who are these Irish parliamentarians? Is Michael Woods among them?
December 1st, 2009 @ 3:38 pm
When I was busy giving the religious fuckwits some welly on politics.ie (before being banned for referring to felching’ I did snuffle around on the websites of the various papal orders and it became obvious very quickly that the Irish political scene was dominated by these hapless bastards all licking the Vatican as much as they could.
It was thoroughly sickening to realise how deeply so-called Irish politicians were in hock to a foreign power.
Add that to the news only hitting Ireland now that catholics regard Canon Law as superior to the laws of the land and you can see why I believe many are technically and some like McQuaid were actually traitors in the dictionary definition of the word (a person who betrays their country).
The more I read the more I could not help thinking that the Irish people were told they had a Republic whereas the Vatican actually had social control through its placemen.
Most Irish Taoiseachs have been members of Catholic Orders.
The sacred military is I believe intended only for catholic ‘nobility’- some fit for a fucking Republic, eh?
December 1st, 2009 @ 3:42 pm
By the way, I also discovered on my travels that the English ban on Catholics marrying the heir to the throne was actually not based on prejudice but a legal decision.
The English Crown have always been aware that Catholics are expected to obey Canon Law and the Vatican above any legal system (This explains why various Irish Civil Servants felt it was their place to subvert the law in favour of covering up clerical paedophilia and criminal sadism).
The Dublin report is the first report I’ve seen which mentions this.
In fairness to the English they recognised the danger of having a papal subversive under foreign authority too near the Crown.
December 4th, 2009 @ 11:58 am
Long time reader and admirer of your site and its colourful posters Twenty, often wondered if I would ever get around to posting anything on it.
A serious topic with many posters utterly riled as well they should be has prompted me to finally get off my arse and post something.
Thought I would pass on for those who were not aware about what happened to a distinguished Australian politician a few years back called Frank Arkell, a vile bastard who eventually touched the wrong child. Its worth a bit of a search, calling it a personal crime would be an understatement.
Sometimes justice is done.
This http://www.mako.org.au/frank_arkell.html
Hard to muster much sympathy, I actually remember being disappointed when he was caught. Only evil people had anything to fear.
Glad you decided to start your site again by the way, only discovered it a couple of weeks back.