It is time to turn our back on the criminal catholic church ltd
Posted on | November 27, 2009 | 145 Comments
The audio clip below is a Father Tom Doyle, an expert in canon law, speaking to RTE’s Prime Time … in 2002 (hat tip @mark_coughlan).
His final words – “There’s something radically, radically wrong”.
Yesterday we discovered how wrong. The Dublin Diocesan report was published. It catalogues the systematic and constant abuse of children by priests. It details the knowledge that the Catholic Church had of it, how they moved paedophile priests from one parish to another, how they covered up, ignored the problem, used their power to sweep the rape of children under the carpet, how they, more than anything, acted to protect the church at the expense of innocent young people.
We were told the Gardai knew about it but these evil men were not punished simply because of who they were. The white collar and the frock protected them from prosecution. We were told of non-cooperation from the Vatican who refused to answer the commission’s questions. We learned that the Dublin Archdiocese took out insurance in the 80s to protect itself from compensation claims they knew would eventually come.
Acts of self-preservation to protect the ‘good name’ of the church, the assets of the church, the power and influence of the church and its priests. And in order to do that they allowed children to be beaten and raped and buggered. They protected men who destroyed not just those children’s lives but those of their families as the betrayal of an implicit trust became known.
Is there another organisation in the world that would go to such lengths to cover up such abuse instead of tackling it? I can’t think of one. The normal reaction of a person when they discover something like this is to ensure that the person in question is punished. Anyone with an ounce of goodness or morality would not allow somebody like that to go scot-free. They would, at the very least, try and stop them from doing it again.
But the bishops and the cardinals did no such thing. They allowed these men to go from town to town, leaving a trail of shattered lives behind them. They not only did nothing to stop them, they faciliated them, they aided them, allowing them to carry out monstrous acts of abuse over and over and over again.
Let’s be clear – the catholic church in Ireland has abused its power for too long and something has to give now. Not only with regard to the victims of abuse – like the children our lady’s Hospital for Sick Children in Crumlin who were abused by the Chaplain – but every part of Irish society has suffered. The stranglehold they have had on Irish society and culture, on the Irish people, has been like that of a dictator. You cannot do this, you cannot think that, this is a sin, that is a sin, and we have accepted it because it has always been like that.
The Irish people’s reaction to the church is almost like Stockholm Syndrome, where the kidnappee feels trust or affection for the person who has taken them. The church has relentlessly abused the people of Ireland on every level and still people go to mass, they put money in the plate to fund the lifestyles of men who work for an organisation that facilitates the rape and physical abuse of children. In what decent society should this be tolerated?
If any other group had a track record like the catholic church would we allow it to exist? If it were a youth group whose workers sexually abused kids and whose leaders knew and didn’t say anything what would we do? We would prosectute those people. The Gardai would not turn a blind eye. And parents would never send their children to that youth group. Yet in spite of everything we know about the catholic church parents still blindly send their children to be indoctrinated into a church which has been the proponent of a huge conspiracy against the people of Ireland.
The kids go to school, they get their first communion, they do a religion class which is not about learning about religion, it’s about learning how to become a catholic, how to subject yourself to the church. Parents every single day in this country send their children to be educated by these people. This has to stop. Education should be about education, it should not be about religion. If you want to send your children to a catholic school then that is your choice. But there must be an immediate separation of the school system, funded by taxpayers, and the catholic church.
By all means teach about religion, it’s educational. Let kids know there is more to religion that catholicism. But no longer can we allow children to brainwashed via the school system by an organisation that cares nothing for them, only about its own power, influence and wealth. We cannot allow it continue. If we, as a nation, want to move forward, to better ourselves, then there must be an absolute separation between the church and the state. People talk about Ireland being a secular nation, it is not. Still the church thinks it can lecture to us about what we can and cannot do.
Laughably they think they still have some moral authority. It’s a bitter laugh though. They tell us we should we be anti-abortion, against homosexuality, that we shouldn’t allow drinks companies to sponsor sporting events, that we shouldn’t use contraception, and so much more. Their moralistic proclamations at odds with their criminal actions. They preach at us as if we were the ones that needed it. The truth is the Irish people need to stand up to the church, to tell them that they have gone too far, that we will not stand for what they have done.
And what they have done has come with the full knowledge and blessing, if you will, of the Vatican. The centre of the catholic church, from where the Pope, the head of the church, guides his flock. And they knew all about the priests and others in this country who raped children. They knew that the idea of solving the problem was moving the priest to another parish where he could find fresh meat, and I won’t apologise for that comparison because they were predators. From the very top of this most corrupt organisation nothing was done to protect the most vulnerable people in our society.
And it is a shame on this country, a stain on us all. They have ridden roughshod over the people of Ireland and the people of Ireland have allowed it to happen. We have tolerated the kind of behaviour that nobody in their right mind would tolerate from somebody else. We have to stop it now. We have to stand up and let them know that we will not accept it anymore.
Their apologies have come too late. They’re mealy-mouthed and the simple fact is that they are only apologising because they have been caught and because they have no choice. If they were really sorry about the actions of the evil men who carried out abuse in their name then they would have stopped it when they found out. They would have handed these people over to the authorities, cooperated fully and accepted the punishments handed down. They did nothing of the sort, they made it worse. And worse. And worse. And now the whole thing has been blown wide open the victims are supposed to accept an apology? I don’t think so. The rest of us are supposed to forgive and forget because of some PR company prepared press release from a despicable man like Desmond Connell?
Remember – this is only Dublin. There are 26 dioceses in Ireland and does anyone think Dublin was alone? Of course not. The scale of it, given the size of the area, is likely to be bigger here but I am positive the same kind of abuse went on in every single diocese in Ireland. There must be an investigation in each one because there are criminals who need to be punished and victims who need to see that happen.
When the previous report into Instutional abuse was published back in May there was, rightly, outrage. But then life went on, people forgot, the church continued its business as usual and you even had reports of attendances at mass being up. I’m doubtful they’re true but that we have allowed that spin to remain unchallenged is a shame on us. Now, after the Dublin report confirmed what we all knew (and how sad is it that so little of it was that shocking?), we cannot allow that to happen again.
The catholic church is a massively corrupt business. Nothing more. Imagine a large business who, it turns out, polluted rivers and caused deaths via cancer. It would be shut down. Or people would refuse to use its products. The catholic church is that business, it has caused deaths, it has destroyed countless lives, all for money, all for reputation, and if we continue to tolerate its presence then we are the fools who get nothing more than we deserve.
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A final word for people like Andrew Madden and Marie Collins. The word ‘hero’ is bandied around too often, so often that it loses its meaning, but in this case is it is the only word that is appropriate. They are heroes for what they have done. Their bravery and courage in facing up to what happened to them and their determination to ensure those who carried out the abuse are punished cannot be commended enough.
Without them there might be generations of victims still being preyed upon by the wicked men of god.
You are wonderful.
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November 27th, 2009 @ 11:07 am
Watched Marie last night and Andrew. Backbones of steel, both of them.
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:08 am
Oh, and well said.
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:12 am
Powerful stuff Twenty, good man.
And you’re dead right, some real heroes among all this filth.
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:16 am
Powerful stuff indeed. Do we really think anything will change though?
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:19 am
Things will only change if we stop defending the fuckers. All acorss the boards today people are saying things like ‘it was only a few who did it’, little thinking that while that may be so, the MANY who knew about those few are still part of the same organisation.
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:20 am
I’ve mentioned it here before ‘cos it’s a biggie for me but I’ve a child on the way (due this weekend!).
Even before all this, I had no intention of bringing my child anywhere near a church for any reason.
Firstly, I don’t believe in god. I got married in a registry office.
There will be no baptism, communion, confirmation, etc.
But SOME people still think I’m just being awkward for the sake of it and even in light of all these revelations think I should indoctrinate a child into this cabal of perverted child molesters, mostly because it’s “not fair” on a child when it comes to these events.
Thanks, but we’ll cope.
If a nearby school won’t take us because of this, so be it. We’ll cope.
Dirty kiddy-fiddling scum. Surely the majority of those who would even be considered the ‘good ones’ must have known or at least suspected what was going on and did fuckall to protect these children.
Dirty, dirty, cunts.
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:25 am
Excellent writing Twenty. You are absolutely right about the need for an investigation in every diocese in Ireland but I don’t see it happening any time soon.
I live in a small vilage in rural Ireland and the priest (Fr. Scumbag) still wields far too much power over the parish. Only sanity prevents an experiment to see how ‘mental reservation’ stands up to baseball bats.
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:26 am
But that would be bringing myself down to their level.
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:33 am
Very very well expressed. I’ve nothing to add but agreement & support for your words
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:47 am
This article is great. Bravo.
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:52 am
Well said. And this isn’t only applicable to Ireland – not by a long shot.
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:52 am
And we now also know that the most senior Gardai were complicit in serious corruption and perverting justice. They are criminals. They covered up sexual crimes. Our most senior police. Think about that and how they could ruin the lives of anyone they wanted to.
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:53 am
David Sour – ex Starsky & Hutch star bitter over lack of hit singles these days
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:59 am
Congrats on the baba SG. Hope the fuck it looks like your wife.
November 27th, 2009 @ 12:02 pm
Haha, this is the wish, alright.
Then again, an interesting combination of black hair and sallow skin with blue eyes and sticky-out ears could be good for a giggle.
November 27th, 2009 @ 12:08 pm
Everything spot on.
The apologies, especially from that Connell cunt are irritating the shit out of me, if the report was delayed 3 months or 4 years, we wouldn’t have heard it.
The snivelling bastard.
There are thousands of direct victims of the abuse which is fucking bad enough, but their side stepping,’mental reservation’ carry on, and defending of their own actions is only making a mockery of every person in the country.
Rotten bastards.
November 27th, 2009 @ 12:13 pm
Congrats SuperGrover, hope all goes well.
November 27th, 2009 @ 12:25 pm
Catholics need to protest and reform their church. A sort of protestant reformation? Oh dear…
November 27th, 2009 @ 12:32 pm
Sack Rome – in both senses of the word.
November 27th, 2009 @ 12:35 pm
Poll: Is it time to disband the Catholic church in light of the Dublin diocese report? http://poll.fm/f/1dhqq
November 27th, 2009 @ 12:36 pm
Not only does this make me ashamed to be Irish, it makes me ashamed to be a human.
November 27th, 2009 @ 12:42 pm
Fuck the church. Time will get them out of Irish life.
November 27th, 2009 @ 12:43 pm
Well said. Our 5 kids have not been indoctrinated into any institution. Get a lot of stick for years now. Comfortable with our decision. Feck’em all
November 27th, 2009 @ 12:49 pm
Nothing to add here…
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:08 pm
What an utter cunt.
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:09 pm
Sorry – fucked up the link:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1127/breaking25.htm
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:11 pm
Twenty. This is one of the best posts I’ve seen on this topic. You’re calling it what it was..the Catholic church allowed – and even encouraged – the systematic rape and violent sexual degradation of children. What is more evil, more repugnant to all that is right and good than that?
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:20 pm
The Catholic Church was the Boogie Man all along. And I’m not precocious.
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:25 pm
And yet flocks of people will go to mass Saturday night & sunday morning?
Why is that? Turning a blind eye.
There is a very very good chance that an innocent child was raped in the very church they are about to “celebrate” mass.
It’s impposible to count the number of victims here. It was mentioned on Twitter last night that many people have committed suicide over being raped etc. It’s just so widespread it would takes years and years of diggin up filth and more filth.
The cunts at the top not only covering their tracks but moving the rapists around to help spread their evil “love”.
Very good post, very well put together – but alas – will fuck all be done?
I thought Michael O’Briens brave speech on questions and answers in May would create a major turning point, but no the flocks still continue to “celebrate”.
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:32 pm
Action, not words.
Immediate cutting of links with education and healthcare, nationalisation of their assets without compensation. After all, It was the people of Ireland who funded the Church owned schools and hospitals. The Church has been a parasite for too long.
Cancel the Eucharistic Congress. A clear and unambiguous message. What a mockery and obscenity it would be in the light of these revelations to have Ireland prostrating herself at the feet of the Catholic Hierarchy.
Twenty , if you haven’t already, can I suggest you read Pat Buckley’s book about life inside the Church,”A Thorn In the Side”. A dissident and shock horror, a gay priest.
http://www.bishoppatbuckley.co.uk/bookswritings.htm
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:35 pm
What Maggot said.
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:37 pm
Well said, Twenty. Am disgusted at the contents of the report, though sadly not surprised. I have to say I’m not optimistic that things will change in the short term. The church has made itself an enemy of reason and democracy and has facilitated brutal crimes against children. These are facts. Its representatives now deserved to be shunned by the people and its government.
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:42 pm
Bravo.
I agree. This is one of the best posts on the whole sorry subject.
Not much will change though. Just like the Ryan report last May, it’ll cause outrage for a while then be forgotten, while the sheep still trod off to Mass on a Sunday, get their children baptised into the fold, and then let the children go to a school funded by their taxes but controlled by the church.
I’ve got to recommend that book mentioned by Maggot last night, The Irish And Catholic Power: An American Interpretation, by Paul Blanshard. http://www.archive.org/details/irishandcatholic010914mbp
Fascinating and unbelievable reading. The power they had over the Irish in the 30′s, 40′s and 50′s was beyond belief. Just had a quick scan through it online last night but managed to find a secondhand copy on Amazon this morning.
A few short excerpts…
Sin and Crime in a Moral Nursery
The system of morals by rote results in many priestly judg-
ments about crime and sin which seem quite incomprehensible
to non-Catholics. If an Irish public official accepts a bribe he
may keep it under certain circumstances -but let Father
Michael O’Donnell tell the story in his Moral Questions, a 1945
book bearing the Imprimatur of the present Archbishop of
Dublin:
BRIBERY
Q. In an election for County Medical Officer, there are several can-
didates. A county councillor takes money (10 pounds) from each of
three doctors. He votes for one, and the latter is successful. What are
his obligations in regard to this doctor? What are his obligations in regard
to the other two? Can he take money in such cases? And suppose he did
not vote for any candidate, what then are his obligations in regard to the
money he has taken?
A. County Councillors are appointed to do their best for the general
welfare of the people that have put them in office. If they use their
position for merely personal advantage, they are guilty of a gross abuse
of trust.
172 THE IRISH AND CATHOLIC POWER
If they accept bribes, they are guilty of injustice. The only question is:
To whom are they obliged to make restitution?
If they vote for a qualified candidate and take a bribe, they are charging
for what they are already obliged to do. They have no claim to additional
recompense. They are bound in strict justice to restore that candidate
the money he has given.
If they vote for a candidate who Is not fit for the position, they are
false to their trust. In common with all other non-bribed voters who
support their cause, they are bound to repair all the injury that their action
entails on the public. Possibly, they may return the bribe as Judas,
and every other traitor might in compensation for activities which they
were not obliged to exercise. But that Is a small compensation; and if
Judas was the main traitor, he was at least decent enough to Indicate
the level on which the Catholic world was to range his imitators. In the
case as given, we have no indications of the relative merits of the can-
didates. But:
1. If the Councillor votes for the qualified candidate, he is bound to
restore the bribe.
2. If he votes for the unqualified candidate, he may, possibly, keep
the bribe, but must answer for the sufferings that his action entails on
the public.
3. If he does not vote, he is obliged to restore the money and is, pos-
sibly, bound for other consequences resulting from dereliction of duty.
Such formal casuistry in matters of morals extends into the
whole field of stealing, which has been neatly subdivided by the
priests into areas of sin and non-sin.
And…
Quite a few non-Catholics in Ireland were somewhat shocked
in May 1953 when a Catholic speaker on Radio Eireann an-
nounced that the falsification of income-tax returns was not an
offense under Catholic canon law. In the Irish Times a Catholic
layman explained the reasoning behind this charitable ruling:
That a Catholic is not required under the moral law to make a complete
income tax return is a commonplace of Catholic teaching. The reason
lies in the realistic approach of the Church to all problems. Every Gov-
ernment knows that a considerable number of people who are liable will
be able to avoid paying income tax either in whole or in part, and in
consequence the rate is fixed at a higher figure than it would be if every-
body paid his or her just share. The man who pays up is entitled in strict
justice to take cognizance of this device; he should not be penalized for
the evasion practiced by others, and he is morally entitled to hold back
part of his income in fairness to himself. What part is a matter that will
vary with individual cases, and it is here that the confessor must be
consulted. People’s circumstances differ so widely that no hard and fast
rule can be laid down.
To the objection that to sign an incompleted declaration of income is
to sign to a lie and therefore to sin, the answer is quite simple. It is that
the authorities do not expect the complete declaration. They know that
in practice virtually every taxpayer who is in a position to suppress part
of his income will do so. Consequently, they are not in the formal sense
“deceived” by an incomplete return and the essence of a lie is deceit.
Perhaps this easy-going attitude toward tax obligations explains
why only 1 in 7 of the working population of the Republic pays
any income tax, whereas the corresponding proportion in the
North is 1 in 3.
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November 27th, 2009 @ 1:42 pm
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November 27th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Haha, this is the wish, alright.
Then again, an interesting combination of black hair and sallow skin with blue eyes and sticky-out ears could be good for a giggle.
And a pint of Guinness in each hand..
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:46 pm
Very well expressed Twenty Major, this is an excellent post.
SuperGrover, congratulations on the upcoming new baby…be sure to put his or her name down for Educate Together the same week they’re born. The waiting lists are bleedin massive.
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:46 pm
it’s not just the institution of the catholic church that is the problem, ALL religion is a pile of utter bollocks! When you die you decompose and that’s the end of it, anything else is just wishful thinking. As for those fuckers filling our kids head with their bullshit ‘it is an interesting and demonstrable fact,that all children are atheists and were not religion inculcated into their minds, they would remain so’ more such quotes at http://thinkexist.com/quotations/atheism/
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:50 pm
“And a pint of Guinness in each hand..”
mmmmm…. Guinness
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:52 pm
Jean… “be sure to put his or her name down for Educate Together the same week they’re born. The waiting lists are bleedin massive.”
Yeah, there’s one around my way. If you want to do religion, it’s outside regular hours. Seems very civilised altogether.
November 27th, 2009 @ 1:56 pm
I have to say, though, I’m feeling a bit put out by all this…
I was an altar boy as a kid (I got sacked after a few months, the first local altar boy sacking apparently, they must have spotted my atheist potential) and, despite wearing a black and white dress combo, never got so much as a come-on from the oul’ priests.
Eh, like, helloooo, was I not good enough or something?
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:00 pm
was at a funeral for a friends baby last week, to hear those sanctimonious pricks shiteing on about god’s plan made me want to throttle ‘em! Exploiting peoples grief as an other opportunity for them to peddle their ridiculous mumbo-jumbo. Arseholes!
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:03 pm
I turned my back out on the church years ago… I’d use countmeout.ie but I’d have to figure out what Parish I was baptised in so it seems like an awful lot of effort…
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:04 pm
I wrote about Child abuse in The God Squad, published 20 years ago. Even though it became a best-selling book here and in the UK, nobody of any significance too any notice of what I was writing. The book dealt with the abuse of Children in the care of the Mercy Nuns. What is wrong with us that we don’t deal with the issue of child abuse when it’s first brought to our attention.
Round up all those implicated in the Murphy report and charge them with crimes against humanity – crimes against young children of whom I was one.
Arrest the Pope. After all, the buck stops on his desk. The “Rat in the Vat” is a guilty of abuse as is anyone named in the Dublin abuse report.
Paddy Doyle.
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:04 pm
hey grover you might like this joke then..there was a new church built in wexford a few years ago and its round so the gag goes..
Q.why was the church in clonard built round?
A.so the priests can’t corner the altar boys
Boom boom!
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:06 pm
Absolutely wonderfully written
I detest using the term “victim”, but as someone who was subjected to clerical abuse, I am relieved that a stage has been reached where this is an open and public topic. I know everyone is aware of it, but the people who stayed silent are as culpable. Crying when no-one hears is what fear is about.
Thank you for your eloquence.
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:08 pm
I wrote about Child abuse in The God Squad, published 20 years ago. Even though it became a best-selling book here and in the UK, nobody of any significance too any notice of what I was writing.
What a shame, Paddy.
And all the best, Susie
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:10 pm
The is still a very large middle class who attend mass regularly who might tut tut at the report but they’ll still back the Church in the long run because they’re part of the machine and they know nothing else.
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:11 pm
Paddy, Susie, what did the Gardai do with complaints?
Surely they are obliged to pursue criminal proceedings?
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:15 pm
The Gardai sit on complaints and do nothing about them. I know someone who made a complaint of sexual abuse against a youth worker. Nothing was done about it. It was simply ignored. Eventually that Garda retired and the next guy then worked on the case and sent it to the DPP. They decided not to prosecute. No reason given. All this took years.
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:17 pm
Fuckin’ hell. Try dodging a speeding fine and see how efficient they can be.
Cunts.
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:22 pm
To be honest, my opinion opens a whole can of worms. I just want to get on with the rest of my life…I admire those who fought for justice but they`re the stronger ones.
The person responsible for my abuse died in the late 80`s, he was our school chaplain, also said mass every Sunday in St.John Vianny, Ardlea Road. Raking up bad memories, talking about them repeatedly, (FOR ME) is just re-living them.
We all deal in different ways.
I HAVE dealt with it, in that I didn`t let the abuse claim me or my head.
I though, unlike a lot of adults as clerically abused children , have no religous faith.
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:24 pm
That’s fair enough. Good on ya.
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:24 pm
Priest I mention was Noel Reynolds.
Beaky nosed, lanky wanker.
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:27 pm
Haha, nice. I was in your neighbouring Parish in Coolock.
Glad I missed him.
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:46 pm
Brilliantly written piece Twenty.
What the actual perpetrators did is so abhorrent that it is hard to believe. There are echoes of the previous reports on the same subject. How could any organisation cultivate such people in their midst, and then when they have perfected their disgusting practice, move them around to allow them to do it over and over again.
What appears additional in this report is the evidence of the knowledge of the abuse throughout the hierarchy, and the lengths to which they would go to conceal it. “Mental Reservation” is absolutely extraordinary, coming from an organisation which preaches that truth is important. It is no more than a mechanism to excuse what must be conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. All of these bishops (be they arch- or auxillary), cardinals and priests should be investigated and charged if there is evidence. Connell should be the first as it would be terrible if he went to his death without a criminal record. He must have known about the abuse, if he knew about compensation.
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:51 pm
He knew, he even wrote reference letters for some of the fuckers knowing full well what they had done.
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:52 pm
Bloody religion, nothing good comes out of it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Oj0-splZw
November 27th, 2009 @ 2:54 pm
Well said Twenty.
I agree with Maggot’s suggestions.
A complete separation of Church and State.
Confiscation of assets in order to fund compensation.
Criminal prosecutions – the Gardai need to clean house as well.
Oh fuck it, just take ‘em out back, knee cap ‘em and finish ‘em off with a bullet to the back of the head.
Shit, how can I convince my daughter NOT to make her communion…
November 27th, 2009 @ 3:00 pm
Oh, i was probably in the coolock parish too, but my family left when we were 5. and didn’t really go to mass except for christenings and shit like that.
November 27th, 2009 @ 3:01 pm
Swe.Ge
I presume in the “inclusive” generation we have, that there are some non-nationals in your daughters class that aren`t catholic ?
They and their families, because of their beliefs would never be expected to make communion. If people start practising what they preach, stop buying into the guilt crap and don`t let your children become part of the cycle of catholic guilt
November 27th, 2009 @ 3:02 pm
All schools should just be taken off them. That’s it, taken. No compensation to the church. No religious dogma should be allowed in schools.
November 27th, 2009 @ 3:05 pm
It would be nice to take the schools away but they own them. Our State allowed them to become the Department of Education.
November 27th, 2009 @ 3:11 pm
Nice one Twenty. The catholic church has to go, in my book…
November 27th, 2009 @ 3:15 pm
Swe.Ge
I presume in the “inclusive” generation we have, that there are some non-nationals in your daughters class that aren`t catholic ?
They and their families, because of their beliefs would never be expected to make communion. If people start practising what they preach, stop buying into the guilt crap and don`t let your children become part of the cycle of catholic guilt
True Dat Susie
However, while my child is only doing it for the dress and partay – (cynical Eh ?)and not to be “left out” from the other kids, convincing her other wise will be difficult though not, I hope impossible.
November 27th, 2009 @ 3:19 pm
That Paul Blanshard book just gets more bizarre. Did you know that in the 1940′s the Irish Catholic church tried to get tampons banned?
For a number of years the Irish priests, acting in collaboration
with the English hierarchy, succeeded in banning absorbent
vaginal tampons for feminine hygiene from sale in Ireland. In
a very solemn article in 1949, “The Morality of the Use of
Tampons,” the Reverend J. McCarthy, D.D., D.C.L., of May-
nooth, personally deplored the use of tampons by Irish Catholic
women, since they “can easily be a grave source of temptation,
especially to those who have strong physical desires.” He said
that they were “definitely unlawful” in the absence of necessity.
He did not cite any feminine authority for this judgment.
This is the same corrupt and evil organisation which still controls 92% of Ireland’s primary schools.
November 27th, 2009 @ 3:30 pm
Thats actually funny.
I have never felt horny thinking about a tampon !
November 27th, 2009 @ 3:33 pm
Well said 20. My brief career as an altar boy was brought crashing to an end when my dog, who followed me everywhere, walked up the aisle in the middle of mass, pissed on the altar and walked back out again. Even the dogs in the street knew what was going on….
November 27th, 2009 @ 3:33 pm
This is horrific. I gave up on the Church long ago. Although my kids are baptised, living abroad in a pagan land means there’s no mass or communion. In terms of education in Ireland – the church has been handed the reins – for better or worse. Without the Church, do we think the Dept would have been able to make a decent job of it ? I’m not so sure.
Where I went to school in Terenure there were abusers amongst the priests and the teachers – and they were widely known to pupils and past pupils (some of whom became parents and sent their kids to the same school !!!). You were literally warned on Day 1 who to watch out for. Sadly, nothing was ever done about it.
They should be outlawed … pure and simple – cunts.
November 27th, 2009 @ 3:34 pm
It’s coincidental that this article appears in the English Indo this morning, providing some insight into the mind of the paedophile. There is a huge internet casualty, well for me anyway and one particular comment by a 60 year man, brazey which is heart breaking.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-alan-bennett-and-the-question-of-innocence-1828408.html
On another thread, a church of Ireland pal constantly reminds me that they had none of this .
November 27th, 2009 @ 3:49 pm
Superbly put, Twenty. Well written. Fair play.
November 27th, 2009 @ 4:03 pm
“Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.”
The Boondock Saints, 1999
November 27th, 2009 @ 4:07 pm
Hear hear
Hopefully someone in a position of responsibility (Cardinal, Garda Commisioner, Taoiseach) will feel the same way and act…
…but i wouldn’t hold my breath.
November 27th, 2009 @ 4:30 pm
May I recommend http://www.countmeout.ie
November 27th, 2009 @ 4:45 pm
I wonder if any mid ranking Army would be on for a coup?
November 27th, 2009 @ 5:25 pm
I remember that prick Fr. Fortune down in Fethard On-Sea, he ended up killing himself in London i believe. In any case he would have 20 bloody alter boys and girls for every bleedin mass! It seems ridiculous to me now that none of the parents (mine included) would have sussed that something was amiss. I don’t think he ever went near the kids that were there on holidays, only went after the locals. Good riddance to him, cunt.
November 27th, 2009 @ 5:30 pm
Seriously though, imagine being told by someone who owed you money, for example, that they had ‘mental reservations’ about returning it.
An immediate baseball bat/skull interfacing would ensue. Why are these gutter rats allowed copy space and broadcast time with such a pathetic excuse for being the lying, cheating, peadophilic scum they really are?
The catholic church truly is, and has always been, a cancer on Irish society.
Excellently written article Twenty, here’s to the hope that a change of perception of the church state might finally begin.
Fuck the church, and not in the way they fucked our children.
November 27th, 2009 @ 5:50 pm
Yep, The Blanshard books are certainly interesting reading.
Lots of bizarre things happened in Ireland. The Adoption row was fascinating, when I’m home I’ll give links.
HM the Church owns the Schools, yep. They won’t after the Government nationalises them. As I said, they were built on funds extorted from the Irish People, as with the Churches. Read the writing of Patrick MacGill, might have been in “Children Of The Dead End”, to see how working class people were hit with parish taxes that had to be paid on pain of ostracism and refusal of burials etc.
November 27th, 2009 @ 6:19 pm
”…misprision of felony, it was conveniently dropped from the statute books in 1998 when the felony laws changed. The effect was that no priest, bishop, or indeed lay person, could be charged with failing to report criminal activity of which they were aware.”
From the IT:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/1127/1224259545384.html
Returning this crime to the statute books should help clean up the scum, and bypass any need of help from the church. Simple as. You lied. You’re nicked.
November 27th, 2009 @ 6:43 pm
Good on you Twenty, they should be named and shamed.
November 27th, 2009 @ 8:09 pm
Well written post and I completly agree. My problem is that I’m due to get married next year and I’ve been pushing for a civil marriage but my Fiance is insisting on a church wedding. Even after seeing what devastation the church has had on this country, she still insists on getting married in a church. They still have a hold on people and will for a long time. No matter what we say on the web, or even boycotting mass, there will always be enough people to keep the catholic church going. I hate it.
November 27th, 2009 @ 8:20 pm
Well Filthy, how about getting married in a Protestant church if she’s insisting on this? I’m sure they have a few of bad apples in their clergy here and there, but it doesn’t seem to be a requirement for the job, like in the RC church.
November 27th, 2009 @ 8:22 pm
A little knacker lad was on a reconnaissance mission round the back of St Mels in Longford, when he happened on a Bishop shaggin a donkey, he said you’re a durty auld hoor and I’m going to tell everyone and the guards and everyone and missus Malone that ould wan you always go in to see when you gets pissed..ah be a good little knacker lad now knacker lad, and don’t tell anybody like the good little knacker lad that you are,..yeh durty auld cunt what will you give me if I don’t tell,..ah now you chiselling little bastard of a good little knacker lad, don’t tell and you can have the Foal.
November 27th, 2009 @ 8:45 pm
Larry, We’re both baptised Roman Catholic so I’m not sure what the Protestant curch would make of us trying to marry there. I don’t think they’d go for it.
November 27th, 2009 @ 9:11 pm
Filthy, speak to the Quakers. They will sort you out. And I’m being serious, my maternal family are Quaker and they get asked by disillusioned Catholics.
November 27th, 2009 @ 9:13 pm
Well said Twenty!
November 27th, 2009 @ 9:31 pm
Cheers maggot! How do I get in touch with the Quakers? I’m baseed in Dublin by the way. Is there any protocol that we have to meet? Probably not the best arena to be asking this stuff!
November 27th, 2009 @ 9:37 pm
Not at all, they are really nice people.
They married ny Sister and Husband even though neither were Quaker.
http://www.quakers-in-ireland.ie/home/contact
November 27th, 2009 @ 9:39 pm
“Is there another organisation in the world that would go to such lengths to cover up such abuse instead of tackling it?”
Yep, Fianna Fail. Its no coincidence that the church has had so much power for so long. These fuckers are hand in arse together.
A separation of church and state is a start but as long as the same people hold power nothing will really change. We need a radical change in our society beginning with getting rid of the church altogether and then reforming the judiciary and the cops along with the complicit politicians…
November 27th, 2009 @ 9:49 pm
Nationalise The Schools! Nationalise The Schools! It might be the only kick in the hole that gets popular support.
November 27th, 2009 @ 9:56 pm
Powerful piece and it won’t be the last I imagine.
November 27th, 2009 @ 10:09 pm
Cheers Maggot. On point here – I don’t think that we’ll be able to reform the country as fast as people want. First step is change the government. That’s not going to happen for another few years. Second is getting rid of the influence of the church – not going to happen until a few years after the new government is elected. Thirdly, channging the Irish psyche. I’m not sure that can happen in our lifetime. I’m 31 and I don’t expect my parents to stop holding the catholic church in high reverie. People I know still go to mass and contribute to the church. It’ll take a long time before people realise that they’re making a terrible mistake.
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:08 pm
Filthy – there’s the Unitarian church on St Stephen’s Green
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:38 pm
Or I could try the registry office. It’s not really about an institution marrying us, I hope. She wants to be married by her local priest. I don’t fancy it myself but I’m the groom. She still believes in the catholic church. My point earlier stands. People take a long time to change.
November 27th, 2009 @ 11:55 pm
On a side note, Tiger Woods was injured in a small non drink driving incident. Of course. He wouldn’t do that.
November 28th, 2009 @ 12:16 am
Who among us hasn’t reversed into a tree and fire hydrant when leaving home ?
November 28th, 2009 @ 1:03 am
When, and if, the Irish government takes control of the Irish school system nothing will change in regard to pedophilia — it’s not going to go away. The sexual predators will be teachers and others within the school system and they will be there in greater numbers than the clergy.
The public school system in New York City (government controlled secular schools) have a problem with pedophiles and they’ve tried their best to cover it up but the newspapers got wind of it and made it pubic. The teachers unions are very powerful and rich which allows them to keep pressure on the politicians to whom they contribute generously and expect to be taken care of for their generousity. When a child is molested he or his family have ninty days in which to file a complaint otherwise the charges are dropped. If a priest is charged with sexual abuse charges can be brough years later, and have been. Even those who died have been charged. The lawmakers in Albany (NY’s capital) refuse to allow a longer period of time for filling complaints because they don’t want the State or NY City to be paying out the large sums of money in settlements like the Church had to do. If the Irish government takes control, keep an eye on the schools, a close eye because they will be the ones doing the buggering, gropping and molesting. Make sure that those who are molested are allowed a decent amount of time to file charges, not three months.
November 28th, 2009 @ 1:28 am
I’m just back from the pub and wondering what we can do to actually get these cunts of clergy. What is the best approach?
Burning the cunts in their beds while they sleep
Harassing the cunts as they preach in their pulpits
Keying their cars everywhere you see them
Throwing paint at all of their fucking churches
Merely not contributing to their fucking collections
I favour all of the above. At least they would have no doubt about where they stand. Let’s start with the fucking cardinals and work our way down. Does anyone know for sure where that cunt Connell lives as I would hate to burn the wrong house
November 28th, 2009 @ 1:37 am
Loco it’s not just about the paedophilia though, monstrous as that is. It is about this Church, which claimed to be the only arbiter of morality for everybody, protestant, Catholic, Hindu, Moslem, Quaker, Jew and Atheist, in Ireland and which used it’s power to punish those who displeased it, be they gay, wanting a divorce, “living in sin” or an unmarried mother, having been shown to be utterly and completely amoral and self serving. The body claiming to be, in the words of a New York Catechism, God on Earth has been exposed as corrupt and utterly dishonest.
In the Word of the Bible, Matthew
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire
November 28th, 2009 @ 2:22 am
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November 27th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
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Prince Charlie-boy did!
November 28th, 2009 @ 2:36 am
Let’s make the one year anniversary of the publication of the Ryan report the day that no one attends mass. I am willing to to persuade my mass going relatives to boycott mass, anyone else?
November 28th, 2009 @ 7:32 am
Thanks Maggot.
By their fruits ye shall know them.
November 28th, 2009 @ 8:12 am
Just reading Fintan O’Toole’s article in today’s IT.
Cardinal Connell, for example, told Marie Collins that the action of an abuser in taking pictures of the genitalia of young girls in the hospital “was not serious as it only involved the taking of photographs”.
Ah so that’s okay then is it?
Why is this guy still walking around and not in a cell?
Oh well, business as usual. Same old sheep will troop off to mass tomorrow and there will be no churches burnt down.
The Catholic Church is a cancer on Ireland.
November 28th, 2009 @ 10:15 am
Connell is a nasty, ammoral man who should be held accountable.
November 28th, 2009 @ 11:33 am
I read somewhere that he said that the pictures of young girl’s genitalia showed that the priest was in wonderment at the beauty of God’s creation. Yeah, right.
Pual Durcan really nailed Connell in his open letter.
http://www.oneinfour.org/news/news2002/letterto/
November 28th, 2009 @ 11:37 am
I was thinking that The Irish Catholic Church wanted the Catholic equivalent in Ireland of the Islamic Republic desired by the Taliban . I asked a Turkish Muslim friend last night if there was any such problem with abuse by their “priests”. He said that the odd Imam was found to be sick but all that happened was that the people killed them as in Islam Children are Angels, never to be abused. And that killing them was not a big deal to the authorities.
November 28th, 2009 @ 11:52 am
Good article in the IT today by Fintan O T.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/1128/1224259619182.html
November 28th, 2009 @ 1:08 pm
Yes, that is good.
November 28th, 2009 @ 1:38 pm
i’m no Unionist, but more and more i’m starting to think that Ian Paisley was right when he called the Pope an anti-christ.
great article by the way twenty.
November 28th, 2009 @ 1:39 pm
I feel absolutely disgusted.
Any parents of that era who bowed to the church while they knew their children were being raped should be flogged.
Fucking cowards and sycophants.
Trying to extinguish my murderous impulses at the moment…
November 28th, 2009 @ 4:48 pm
Well said, Twenty. Am I the only one who looks at their niece or nephew and the mind wanders to what might have happened to them even a couple of decades ago if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time with one of these beskirted perverts?
Beyond the stomach-churning details and the utterly psychotic breaching of the most basic of human instincts (to protect the young) the thing that has apalled me most is the small and admittedly dwindling tribe of indoctrinated peasants who still seek to defend one of the world’s oldest criminal corporations.
And that is what the catholic church is- I’ve looked up the convictions worldwide on catholic priests and there is a litany from Australia, Canada, the US and of course poor fuckwitted Ireland with the highest relative incidences of child abuse by clergy and the LOWEST number of convictions.
The shocking thing there is that the number of priests ending up in the dock is terribly small compared to the number of convictions secured in the other countries. I remain unconvinced that the Irish state is serious about dealing with this criminal corporation. There are some names redacted in the Diocesan report because of ongoing legal issues- all of the other priests have had their names hidden, just like in the Ryan report.
There are still fucking lowlife scum in the Irish civil service,education system and in government itself who will do anything to protect the catholic church no matter what crimes it commits. Those are the cunts who need to be dug out of their corners and fucked onto the rubbish heap of Irish social history.
In checking the situation elsewhere it became obvious to me very quickly that there is an odd silence in Africa- no reported cases and no convictions that I know of. Are we to assume that the Irish church didn’t send some of its perverts to Africa on missions? What are the odds?
I have an idea what the next scandal will be and it involves child-trafficking out of China at a huge profit to the church- a setup that the Snakehead Triads could only admire.
And that German cunt in Rome is personally involved in the abuse cover-up. Right up to his neck in it.
I hope every catholic church in Ireland burns down- preferably with the remaining ‘faithful’ in it. There’d be lots of funerals but at least the average IQ level in Ireland would jump.
But thanks again Twenty for expressing what a lot of people are obviously feeling. And doing it so well.
November 28th, 2009 @ 5:18 pm
Brilliant post, Twenty.
Separation of Church and State is the only way to go….
November 28th, 2009 @ 5:49 pm
Taoiseach Brian Cowen has said it is up to religious organisations and their members to determine the “appropriateness” of individuals to hold ecclesiastical office.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1128/breaking18.htm
Spineless cunt.
November 28th, 2009 @ 6:03 pm
Maggot, I’m not defending the priests nor the church leaders who allowed those things to happen. I’m saying that you should keep a close eye on those who have children placed in their care. Pedophiles are incredibly sneaky, sly and crafty people who will find ways to lure the innocent into their webs. When possible those who can will try to find employment in areas where they can come into contact with children and school systems are pedophile magnets. Make sure that those you trust with your children are aware that they are under your eye and don’t be afraid to ask your children about the goings on in their schools.
It is part of the natural order of things in the world that normal adults want to protect children so let them know that you are there for them whenever they need you.
November 28th, 2009 @ 6:03 pm
Brian Cowen doing what Brian Cowen does bets. Swimming around a problem which needs a clear response, yelping like an overboard pup.
Jesus Christ what would it take for that fat Fianna Fail dickhead to be straightforward for once.
He knows full fucking well those Bishops should resign and he should bloody well say so.
November 28th, 2009 @ 6:14 pm
Great post Twenty. Well Said.
November 28th, 2009 @ 6:31 pm
Excellent post.
My grandchildren go to the Educate Together school in Galway and are thriving there!
November 28th, 2009 @ 6:38 pm
Taoiseach Brian Cowen has said it is up to religious organisations and their members to determine the “appropriateness” of individuals to hold ecclesiastical office
And as with Scientology in France, Spain and Germany, it is both the right and Duty of the State to determine the appropriateness and status of any organisation that is active within it’s territory.
November 28th, 2009 @ 6:49 pm
If anybody thinks Brian Cowen or anyone else in Irish politics would risk a single vote from the religion-infected gobshites that make up the Irish electorate by saying a single negative thing about the Catholic church as an institution, they need to have their head examined. Politics in Ireland is never driven by what is right, only by what will get you elected. The catholic church is an organisation beyond repair. The only reason I am grateful for my good catholic education is that it opened my eyes at an early age to the hypocrisy, cruelty and, it turns out, unpunished criminality rife within the church at all levels, thereby enabling me to turn my back on the stupid fuckers and live a happy life without religion.
November 28th, 2009 @ 7:12 pm
for those of you who feel utterly powerless in your revulsion at these events, in reality YOU have the power to change things by very simple steps that anyone can do:
1. dont get your children baptised in a catholic church
2. dont send your children to communion or confirmation
3. dont go to catholic mass
4. ask for your children to be removed from religious studies in primary school.
5. if you want to remain religious , join the quakers, if possible.
6. if you get elected to office, dont swear on the bible.
7. if you are running for office, declare your non-catholic beliefs (be it atheist or quaker or whatever) and declare it very loudly.
these are all simple steps that any one of us can do – and collectively they will bring down the catholic church in ireland.
i’ve had enough of the excuses – its time to act folks.
November 28th, 2009 @ 7:18 pm
Yep, it’s hard to take democracy seriously with a brainwashed populus who believe in weeping and moving statues and turn up at Knock on the word of a snake oil salesman who says he’s been talking to da Virgin Mary.
November 28th, 2009 @ 7:50 pm
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/1128/1224259622606.html?via=rel
Responding to the Dublin diocesan report, the Archbishop of Tuam Michael Neary said that “everyone is deeply disgusted and disillusioned by the awfulness of the abuse, the vulnerability of the victims and the betrayal of the sacred trust placed in those who carried out this abuse”.
No mention of the betrayal of trust by those in charge of the abusers then.
November 28th, 2009 @ 8:39 pm
From the comments to today’s Fintan O’Toole article, is this one by Hanora Brennan
Lest we forget, the religious orders have earned fifty million from the Irish taxpayer since 2002 in capitation grants for each child that attends their schools. An end has to be in sight for this shameful practice and if anyone in government has a decent set of gonads go for it! I bet that this issue will not be tackled in my lifetime and I like to believe I have score in me at least!
What is this “capitation grant”? These churches get paid money for every child who goes to school, even though the state, that is the taxpayer finances the school to begin with?
Enough ! Has to be a total break with this filth running the country’s school. As someone else said in a post somewhere today. Jut nationalise them.
November 28th, 2009 @ 10:55 pm
I appreciate what you are saying, I do not subscribe to the teachings of the Catholic Church or any other church who pride themselves on oppression and hating women for the last 2000 years. What they did was appalling but I have a number of grievances with everything I have read to date. Firstly why are people just referring to the Catholic Church all the time? What about the parents, the caretakers, the Gardi, the state and everybody else who knew and did nothing? Why are all those individuals not being held accountable too? Why aren’t you encouraging people to turn their back on the state and the Garda as well? I am sick of people resting on their laurels, absolving themselves from responsibility by blaming the church and that relentless “strong hold” they had on Ireland. That is rubbish people happily sat by and did nothing simply because they did not care. When young girls were sent to Magdalan homes or boys to borstals nobody batted an eyelid because it suited them to ignore “unfavourable behaviour” . They handed that power to the Church.
Irish society has changed overwhelmingly in the last 20 years and not because Irish people wanted it to either, it was because a few brave people had the balls to stand up to inequalities, women still don’t have the right to abortion here, divorce only came in 1995. If there was an abortion referendum in the morning it would be rejected, not because of the churches influence but rather because of Irish peoples disgusting devotion to ignoring things that don’t directly affect their lives, little do gooders who don’t want change until the campaign gains momentum and it will look good for them to jump on the band wagon.
What happened to those children was horrendous they deserve public support, but everybody who knew, not just the Church should be held accountable, sacked and imprisoned. And furthermore, we should be out in force campaigning for change, 400 children went missing here last year. Countless innocent children are being lumped into mental institutions because there is nowhere for them to be accommodated. What are we doing to address this?
“Is there another organisation in the world that would go to such lengths to cover up such abuse instead of tackling it? I can’t think of one.”
Yes there is it is called the Muslims faith and it is happening around the world today. Just like some elements of the Catholic Church (please note that means not all people who subscribe to the notions of the respective religions) they torture children, engage in honour killings, force children to marry men far older than them, convince children if they blow themselves up they will get into heaven, stone people to death, force women to cover up, punish the victims of rape, forbid women from leaving their homes without a male family member, condone and promote FGM, the list is fucking endless. Why don’t people complain about that? It is the fastest growing cult in the word. More and more people in Ireland are subscribing to the archaic teachings of this supposed religion. The Catholic Church have shown us the damage ignoring injustice can do so why aren’t we doing something about that? It is happening today, all in the name of a religious organisation.
As I said the victims of abuse deserve retribution but it was not only the Catholic Church to blame and it is still happening in our world today. Accountability and prevention needs to be directed at everybody involved not just one institution. Other than that nothing will change and we’ll be reading the same thing in the papers about some other organisation in 30 years.
November 28th, 2009 @ 11:03 pm
Classic nonny.
November 28th, 2009 @ 11:23 pm
Nonny:
”Firstly why are people just referring to the Catholic Church all the time?”
What about all the claims of Child abuse that were reported within the Church structures and never left? The documents that were destroyed, and the doublethink methods employed to misdirect any investigations or inquiries.
Seems like a fucking outstanding reason to ‘refer to’ an organisation that assumes any position on a moral issue.
”… blaming the church and that relentless “strong hold” they had on Ireland. That is rubbish people happily sat by and did nothing simply because they did not care…”
Part truth here. The church is the organisation that strongly catholic people turn to for moral guidance. To suggest they didn’t have power is ridiculous. Some people reorted their suspiscions to the Church regarding molesters. Some of these were intimidated, some were told ‘we’ll take it from here’, child abusers were moved on and the abuse continued. People cared, but mostly people did not speak up.
Is there another organisation in the world that would go to such lengths to cover up such abuse instead of tackling it? I can’t think of one.”
Yes there is it is called the Muslims faith and it is happening around the world today.
The muslim faith is not an organisation.
You bore me…
November 29th, 2009 @ 12:09 am
Great post.
This has been touched on before in various places, but has the catholic church in Ireland not now been proven to be a criminal organisation? Large numbers of the group committing crimes…widespread knowledge of it within the group…cover-ups…intimidation of witnesses. They’ve got to be the largest and most evil crim gang the country has ever seen. Compare them to, say, the IRA, and murdering cunts though they are, given the choice I would far prefer to be blown to bits than repeatedly raped by a filthy oul sky pilot. Then compare what the church was doing to what the drug gangs in Limerick,Dublin etc. are doing and the activities of the latter seem almost like charity work.
Every person who attends mass in the light of this report is supporting these pricks and telling them that their behaviour is acceptable.
November 29th, 2009 @ 12:37 am
I’d say the IRA abused a fair few children in their time wolfbag, it wasn’t just adults they murdered and maimed. It’s only recently that they admitted they went into a school, abducted a kid with severe learning difficulties and shot him in the head, leaving him in the grounds of Belfast Zoo to die. Begrudging apology, crocodile tears and nobody handed over for justice. Same cunts happily said the Rosary in Irish at their Rally every year in Belfast through most of the troubles.
November 29th, 2009 @ 1:25 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/6663273/BBC-drops-ballet-featuring-a-deformed-Pope-who-rapes-nuns.html
November 29th, 2009 @ 1:43 am
Sublime post on an emotive and to be frank surreal situation Twenty and the comments from Nonny.
Supergrover.. you could go for a placenta and Guinness pate for the headwarming if you keep your head about you.. Good luck
November 29th, 2009 @ 2:04 am
Fucking hell, they allowed one of the cunts to FOSTER children ?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6936278.ece
November 29th, 2009 @ 8:20 am
WELL WRITTEN TWENTY – BUT DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THINGS WILL CHANGE….THE CHURCH STILL RULES IRELAND, NOT AS OVERTLY, BUT THEY ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL…
November 29th, 2009 @ 2:01 pm
Reading all this makes me think that I was brought up in a cocoon, well protected and taken care of. I was brought up as Christian but kept away from the clregy.
As I child I did attend masses, with my grandparents, but stopped when they both died. My parents were raised in strong Christian tradition, but since their marriage was annuled (yep, annuled, with all the paperwork and pope’s signature of approval) they were not allowed to parttake in any of the sacraments so they didn’t go at all.
My mother wanted to protect me from brainwashing so I didn’t attend religion classes. Now, that I know what was going on at the time, I am not surprised. While I know nothing about any abuse cases, I do know priests and nuns who openly said that they should get us when we’re young and flexible to mould us as their wish.
This happens everywhere all the time. You wonder why the clergy wants to be in the schools? It’s not really about the abuse. Each of the so called ‘teachers’ have been trained in psychology and manipulation techniques – they are there to make sure you will be submitted to the Church. For the “greater good” one abused and destroyed life for hundreds of ‘moulded’ children is just collateral damage.
This is why they covered it all up. This is why nobody knew or didn’t want to speak about it. The parents were the ones who were already brainwashed. The church need the abusers for their unique ‘skills’, just so that they can brainwash more people.
I saw it with my own two eyes in a classroom that I was lured into at the age of 16. Unfortunately since I was not brainwashed from early age I saw right trough what was happening and never came back.
Protect your children. Keep them away from priests and nuns. Let them choose what they believe in – maybe that’s a much more uncertain life, but isn’t it better to think on your own?
November 29th, 2009 @ 11:07 pm
IT would be great if we all stood up to the catholic church but it’s not going to happen because we’re all cowards. or just lazy or selfish.
Imagine that you are outraged by the latest news about the rapists in the catholic church, and then imagine that you decide to send your kid(s) to another school. That is already a huge amount of hassle, right? And maybe not even possible ’till next year’. Continue ad nauseum.
The parents need to remove their kids en massse and in one go from the schools. Seriously. And the kids won’t ‘suffer’ from lack of education (although they might benefit from lack of abuse).
Are you ready to challenge the status quo?
November 29th, 2009 @ 11:15 pm
To Nonny: Abortion is killing a foetus in the womb. There are good reasons why people oppose that idea, despite your megalomania. Don’t conflate the issues, if you please.
November 30th, 2009 @ 10:05 pm
Ok how much more do we need to know, hear, believe. Even if there is worse and it is hard to imagine, how do we go about critcally campaigning against this corrupt organisation,and sexual abuse is only one of the abuses of their power at all levels.
December 1st, 2009 @ 7:53 pm
Nazi scum – get out your fucking oven gloves and gas, greasy faced wankers that ye are…
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March 27th, 2010 @ 9:19 am
Best of luck tonight at the IBA10. Enjoy the night and see you there!
March 27th, 2010 @ 9:39 pm
Bit by bit it is crumbling, but it needs more people to challenge their families, neighbours, friends, co workers etc in a way that helps them to realise what they are supporting through their ongoing engagement with their church. Indoctrination will take a long time to counteract. But right is on our side. Keep pushing that door and let light, fresh air and ideas in.
March 28th, 2010 @ 3:03 am
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April 28th, 2010 @ 10:26 pm
http://barnaville.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/leak-foreign-office-memo-funniest-attack-on-pope-benedict-could-hardly-be-a-mistake/
The Catholic Church is an anagram of A Complete Joke.
August 9th, 2010 @ 10:23 am
Brilliant – :0)