Odd perspective
Posted on | June 29, 2009 | 47 Comments
I read a story in the Sunday Times magazine last week. A mother and father in the US (I think in Texas) forbade their daughter from going out with the young man she had fallen for.
A classic story, really, it happens all the time, but what makes this one slightly unusual is that the daughter then got her boyfriend and one of his friends to kill her family. They shot her father in the face, shot her mother then almost decapitated her with a sword, then went upstairs and shot her two brothers (aged 8 and 12) even as one of them begged for his life.
Then they set the house on fire. Somehow the father managed to survive, drag himself out of the house and crawl to the nearest neighbour to get help.
It didn’t take the police long to get to the truth – that the daughter had arranged the murders of her entire family simply because she had been forbidden from seeing this young man.
What an awful story. Beyond comprehension really. But what struck me was the father. He was a religious man and even after everything he went through he spoke about his faith in the God that had somehow saved his life.
My thought was, what about the God that allowed your wife and two sons to be killed? Isn’t that the same God? You know, the one who let terrified little boys be shepherded back to their beds before being blasted with a shotgun. The one who allowed these killers to practically cut your wife’s head off. The one who sat and watched as your family was destroyed and your daughter sentenced to the rest of her life in prison.
That’s same God, isn’t it?
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June 29th, 2009 @ 8:39 am
Well now Twenty – it was in the papers and on the telly so of course it must be exactly as reported. They would never twist any statements out of context or put a ‘novel spin’ on any utterances by a deeply shocked man….
Anyway – do you remember that cloying Cadbury’s Dairy Milk ad on RTE that waffled on about what the kids ‘Dreaming dreams, scheming schemes” and asking what they’re going to be ‘Say Twenty Years From Now” that was on over twenty years ago?
I got to thinking – what are they doing now?
You wouldn’t – in view of your nom de guerre – happen to be the little girl all growed up????
Just a thought….
June 29th, 2009 @ 8:44 am
Silly thought.
Anyway, this was in the magazine, he was interviewed, they were his words. I just found his perspective a little odd.
June 29th, 2009 @ 8:50 am
twenty that was the devil doing his thing, not god. and weren’t the parents proven right? that young man was a bad influence on their daughter.
on the subject of god letting bad things happen, what woudl be the point in even living if god just did evrything for us. in this case, considering your entire family was butchered at your daughter’s behest, i should think there’d be great solice in s strong faith, i mean fuck, what would the alternative be? seeing your family dead is not the time to be questioning heaven, at least not out loud.
June 29th, 2009 @ 8:51 am
Or, you know, there’s no such thing as God, or the devil, and people are just cunts.
June 29th, 2009 @ 8:54 am
“seeing your family dead is not the time to be questioning heaven, at least not out loud.”
You see, I would have thought that’d be the perfect time.
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:02 am
Aye, me too
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:05 am
I’d imagine he’s struggling to exist after what happened and is clinging onto any little scrap of anything to try and get through it.
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:08 am
He got married again 8 months after it happened.
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:09 am
Also refuses to believe his daughter arranged the killings.
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:16 am
Well he WAS a Texan so he didn’t want to say anything negative that might hurt the gun lobby or the institution of heterosexual marriage or give succor to the heathen atheist or that black Marxist in Washington.
So your family gets butchered by other Americans, could happen to anyone. Getting upset about it is letting the terrorists win.
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:18 am
“He got married again 8 months after it happened.”
The dirty stopout god-squad bastard.I take it all back.
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:18 am
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6542588.ece
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:21 am
That’s the one
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:24 am
well if he can believe in a god it musn`t be too difficult to extend his self-dillusion to his not believing his daughter orchestrated it.Whats with gluestain does he not like ye or something? or is he your evil genius nemesis
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:26 am
She was the bad influence not him, a bit of the oul “Want some, want some? Can’t have none…. unless you kill my family”
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:31 am
Bit off Topic but is Phil the Greek a bigamist ?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0628/breaking6.htm
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:33 am
“You see, I would have thought that’d be the perfect time”
well ok, it probably would, but imagine how kick ass you’d look amongst your holier than thou mates, women would be wet for you knowing your family’s all dead and you didnt even miss a mass. yeah this guy’s mental balance probably should be looked at closer.
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:49 am
that’s pretty nuts.
what woudl be the point in even living if god just did evrything for us.
would you not like to have a full time super-butler?
June 29th, 2009 @ 9:56 am
Ugh, god bots never cease to amaze me with their logics. Remember how annoyed they were when the captain landed that plane in the hudson river without killing everyone on board and didn’t presonally thank god for the ‘miracle’? Yep, god done it, not the experienced cool headed pilot. God. God also made the fucking bird fly into the engine too -using that logic- leading me to suspect god is actually a bored adolescent.
June 29th, 2009 @ 10:02 am
Really, it’s Texas; what can you do? I mean, besides having them all sterilized and rounded up into camps, that is.
June 29th, 2009 @ 10:23 am
It´s just an extreme example of the leaps of logic the subscribers to the mythical deity cult have to make so their whole belief system doesn´t come crashing down around their ears.
Basically, anything good happens is God´s work.
Anything bad happens can be dealt with three ways:
a)it´s God´s punishment for the wicked
b) the Devil is making mischief among the righteous
c)er, just try and ignore anything that can´t be slotted into the first two categories and hope no-one notices…
June 29th, 2009 @ 10:33 am
that story reminds me of natural born killers
June 29th, 2009 @ 11:29 am
Twenty – you found his perspective a little odd??? Wouldn’t you think the man was driven odd by the loss he continues to suffer – he’d be a total Belmullet if he was able to look at it dispassionately and logically….
June 29th, 2009 @ 11:38 am
“he’d be a total Belmullet if he was able to look at it dispassionately and logically….”
The murders took place over a year ago.
He has since remarried and is co-author of…..
Terror by Night, by Terry Caffey and James H Pence, is published by Tyndale House in the autumn
June 29th, 2009 @ 11:43 am
All this sky fairy nonsense is a load of bollix.
Twenty’s right, people are basically cunts. If I lost my family in any circumstances, I’d be a basket case forever. This cunt is remarrying eight months later and cashing in by writing a book ffs.
June 29th, 2009 @ 11:44 am
Given he was actually capable of carrying out the murders, I think she just ended up proving that her father was right to disapprove of him.
I bet she’s not owned up to being wrong though, people never do.
June 29th, 2009 @ 12:39 pm
How the fuck would a girl kill her little brothers?
Fuck it major, I am going to have to go rooting in the green bin now…
June 29th, 2009 @ 12:43 pm
He was a religious man and even after everything he went through he spoke about his faith in the God that had somehow saved his life. My thought was, what about the God that allowed your wife and two sons to be killed? Isn’t that the same God?
This God fella has form in that regard.
As for the father – he’s clearly on the Job.
June 29th, 2009 @ 12:57 pm
It all smacks awfully of ‘In Cold Blood’ to me. With a dash of Natural Born Killers. Goddamn Americans, couldn’t come up with something original to save their lives.
Though I did read a story from the Southern half of America about how a 2-year-old got raped by a pit bull terrier. Imagine growing up with that on your CV.
June 29th, 2009 @ 1:16 pm
Yeah, I thought of ‘In Cold Blood’ too MMN, maybe with a pinch of ‘Badlands’ and a smattering of ‘Pretty Poison’.
Now if I was in this guy’s situation, I would probably have eventually ended up sucking a tailpipe. If believing in the tooth fairy, a giant invisible rabbit or flying fucking spaghetti monster somehow prevented me from topping myself, I might consider it. Although the necessary mind-buggering leap of faith seems pretty unlikely at this moment in time, who knows? No atheists in foxholes and all that.
So, if you had the choice between dead or deluded, which would you choose?
June 29th, 2009 @ 1:38 pm
So, if you had the choice between dead or deluded, which would you choose?
If you’re talking seriously crazy, then i’d choose death i think.
June 29th, 2009 @ 2:03 pm
That’s same God, isn’t it?
If you believe in that stuff.
A historical ploy to keep the plebs subjugated with the hope, that there is a better life after this one.
Though.This is as good as it is.
When the breath stops you go back to earth.
June 29th, 2009 @ 2:15 pm
It is well known here in the U.S. that all Texans are complete and utter assholes. Too much sun and too much religion.
June 29th, 2009 @ 2:16 pm
“Black! black!”
“You lock me in the cellar and feed me pins!”
June 29th, 2009 @ 2:42 pm
There’s no Bono.
June 29th, 2009 @ 2:52 pm
If only …
June 29th, 2009 @ 3:03 pm
Adults With Imaginary Friends Are Idiots
June 29th, 2009 @ 3:15 pm
Black! Black!
What’s for tea, Mother? Maggots on toast?
June 29th, 2009 @ 4:02 pm
Maggots on toast?
You have moved right to the top of the list.
June 29th, 2009 @ 4:30 pm
Damn – wish I could see the last RTÉ Q&A tonight – what a quality Panel! A real cuntathon.
June 29th, 2009 @ 4:31 pm
Who’s on?
June 29th, 2009 @ 4:50 pm
3 Panels
Minister for Health Mary Harney, Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny, Labour spokesman on justice Pat Rabbitte, tax lawyer Suzanne Kelly, and Senator David Norris.
John Waters, former Progressive Democrat minister Liz O’Donnell, Fergus Finlay, former chef-de-cabinet of the Irish Labour Party and current chief executive of Barnardos, solicitor Catherine Ghent, and vice president of Sinn Féin Mary Lou McDonald. ( what was it the Sentinel called her – that festering pork-slit ? )
Green party leader and Minister for the Environment John Gormley, Noel Whelan, barrister and political commentator, MEP Mairéad McGuinness, editor of the Irish Daily Star Ger Colleran and Eddie Hobbs will be on the third panel.
June 29th, 2009 @ 4:51 pm
And an interview with the blow-fly in chief, Cowen!
June 29th, 2009 @ 5:55 pm
Poor God. He gets blamed for what’s good and blamed for what’s bad. Whether He exists or not.
But it was really the Devil that made her do it and everyone knows that She is a bitch.
June 30th, 2009 @ 6:31 am
“So, if you had the choice between dead or deluded, which would you choose?”
Death, definitely. I’m already fucking well deluded, and it’s just not working for me.
June 30th, 2009 @ 8:34 am
Yes, Twenty, it is the same God that doesn’t stop the terrible stuff we do to each other. Trouble is, he’s given us free will. That said, none of us has any idea how much stuff he does stop (if anything). If he did decide to stop all evil in the world, he knows that (a) we’d take the credit and never give him a thought, and (b) you and I would lose our free will because he’d have to take a lot of our attitudes away.
July 1st, 2009 @ 4:51 am
twas the Holy Ghost behind it all
you see he gets peeved with the lack of attention and gets upto mischief
He’s a different class of god altogther so he is
He’s a Holy terror.