I’ll blaspheme who I want, you God fearing cunt Ahern
Posted on | April 29, 2009 | 148 Comments
Can you believe this shit?
A NEW crime of blasphemous libel is to be proposed by the Minister for Justice in an amendment to the Defamation Bill, which will be discussed by the Oireachtas committee on justice today.
Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern proposes to insert a new section into the Defamation Bill, stating: “A person who publishes or utters blasphemous matter shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable upon conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding €100,000.”
Fuck right off. While I’m quite happy to accept the fact that some people need the crutch that is religion to get through life, and I’m quite happy to let people believe in whatever they want, this is absurd.
Ireland is a secular state, I really thought we were making progress in that regard. The Catholic Church bum-fucked this country for years. We’ve been witness to a litany of abuse, corruption, crime and very little punishment. They’ve made millions from the people of Ireland down the years. And now we could go to jail and get a fine of up to €100,000 for ‘blasphemy’? Give me strength.
And let’s look at it this way – how can you blaspheme something which does not exist? There is not the slightest shred of evidence that such a being as ‘God’ exists. There are holy books and sacred scrolls but none of them prove the existence of God.
So until such time that there is irrefutable proof that God is real then you cannot blaspheme. Belief and faith in God are no substantiation, or transubstantiation. The fact that millions of people believe in God, or Allah or whatever flavour of the one idea, is no proof that God exists.
This is possibly the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. It’s like saying you can be fined for libelling Santa Claus or the fucking Tooth Fairy.
Here’s what I think, if there is a God then he’s a fucking cunt. Possibly the biggest cunt that the world has ever seen. Bigger than Gerry Ryan, worse than Cristiano Ronaldo, he makes Hitler look positively fun-loving. How many have died in the name of God? How many have been tortured, raped, mutilated, oppressed? I’d say you could live to 500 and you wouldn’t be able to count that high.
And the number of people whose lives have been made better by this most outrageous of human fictions is far, far less I’d wager.
It is unbelievable to me in this day and age that people with education and learning still believe in God. It’s nonsense. It’s a fairy-tale but the grimmest, bloodiest fairy-tale of them all. I do not believe in God. That is my right. And until somebody gives me proof positive that God exists then you cannot libel or blaspheme him/her/it.
So what if something is offensive to someone’s religion? Don’t read it. Don’t listen to it. Don’t watch it. I find the whole concept of religion offensive. That we in the 21st century still tolerate religions which make women cover themselves from head to toe, that make homosexuality a crime punishable by death, that spread fear and set man against man simply because they choose to believe something different, that shortcircuits people’s brains so they fly planes into buildings for fucking fucks sake, is offensive to me. It’s a shocking sad indictment of the human race. How advanced we are.
We deny people medical treatment on the basis of religion, we deny them the chance to have their diseases cured because working with stem cells goes against their precious sensibilities, it’s madness.
The most uncaring, closed-minded, ignorant people are, in my experience, those who try and live by the teachings of a book written thousands of years ago. Their behaviour totally at odds with what their faith allegedy preaches. Religious fundamentalists are the most dangerous people on this planet.
God is a cunt. In all his guises. ‘His’ word has caused so much pain and misery and suffering in the world, and for what? Seriously, for what? Someone tell me.
So stick your fucking blasphemy clause up your hole, Dermot Ahern and anyone else who tries to make it part of our consitution.
I’ll blaspheme whoever the fuck I want.
Update: And one thing I forgot to mention – doesn’t this government have better fucking things to be doing at the moment?
Unemployment rising, the ESRI report saying that “Ireland was set to experience the sharpest fall in economic growth experienced by an industrialised country since the Great Depression”, banks insolvent, deflation, health cuts, education cuts, and everything else that’s wrong, and they’re wasting time on this?!
The perfect illustration of why FF must be obliterated in the local/european elections, and then in the next general election.
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April 29th, 2009 @ 9:42 am
Is there anyone official that we could send a complaint to?
April 29th, 2009 @ 9:47 am
Jesus of Nazareth.
April 29th, 2009 @ 9:49 am
I’m disgusted. I really thought we were moving on as a country.
Ahern has effectively destroyed the Equality Authority and now he wants to protect religions from criticism or disagreement (which is what this law amounts to) with the legislation.
A General Election can’t come soon enough
April 29th, 2009 @ 9:51 am
Yeah, this is too weird.
I presume that it’s intended as a Christian blasphemy thing? So then the other religions will seek parity of esteem with Christianity and calling Mohammad or Yahweh or Allah or Buddha or LRonHubbard or Apollo or any trumped-up deity or prophet will be deemed blasphemous by direction of the Supreme Court.
April 29th, 2009 @ 9:53 am
Er, calling them cunts, or chancers…
April 29th, 2009 @ 9:54 am
That’s it. And there are some more touchy than Christians. In fact, most of them are more touchy than Christians.
This is so fucking backwards it’s making my head hurt.
April 29th, 2009 @ 9:57 am
Simple answer Twenty – Learn Irish and say what you like as nobody will understand you.
Easy to destroy – point out that all the media coverage in the past few days was blasphemous ?
April 29th, 2009 @ 9:59 am
I read the article, I see parity is built in. So Rushdie and his publishers could have been done under a law like this for the Satanic Verses.
Where the fuck is this amendment coming from? It’s sinister, looks like he’s trying to squeeze it on to the statute books before they lose power.
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:02 am
Ironic – England and Holland have recently ditched Blasphemy laws.
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:07 am
Well,they are trying to bring this country back in time,we’ll be sendiong our kids to fucking hedge-schools soon.
I mean if they are trying to destroy the country and its image around the world you have to say,they are doing a fucking great job..
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:12 am
p.s – according to your constitution – article 40:6 – Blasphemy is already illegal
The publication or utterance of blasphemous, seditious, or indecent matter is an offence which shall be punishable in accordance with law.
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:14 am
I always found it deliciously ironic how the religious folk like to use secular laws to enforce their religious morality. For me it just proves they are too weak in their own beliefs to take a few outspoken people speaking down their god(s)!!!
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:20 am
Where the fuck is this amendment coming from? It’s sinister, looks like he’s trying to squeeze it on to the statute books before they lose power.
Yeah, you wonder where the pressure is coming from though.
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:30 am
Yeah, you wonder where the pressure is coming from though.
His mammy?
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:38 am
Here’s what you do;
Publish article about this god thing being a cunt. That may or may not be blasphemous, then call god as a witness for the defence….
Then choke a few monotheistic numpties until they go their self-proclaimed eternal reward.
Anyone who believes in god is missing a few logic pieces in their personality jigsaw.
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:41 am
“Yeah, you wonder where the pressure is coming from though.”
It’s pure cynicism for legal types the likes of Cowen and Lenihan (B) to go along with this. I wonder if it’s intended purely as a distraction for the broadsheets – a week or two of opinion pieces to occupy them while some other scandal is finessed under the radar.
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:41 am
Your €100,000 fine is in the post.
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:48 am
Ahern is a pig.
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:49 am
Coincidence that this is announced at the same time as the disastrous unemployment figures ?
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:52 am
How cynical you are, maggot.
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:57 am
mea culpa seems appropriate Twenty.
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:01 am
Depressingly retrograde. Although anybody who blasphemes my particular god (Monchichi, the Space Monkey God) will be put to the sword.
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:03 am
Well said sir, etc.
But if I can put on my pedants hat for one second. Buddha is not a God, and shouldn’t really be compared to Allah/Jehovah etc, nor is he a different version “of the same idea”. In fact, Buddhism is a non-theistic religion.
He was a real dude, nor is he revered as a God by Buddhists.
CARRY ON.
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:05 am
Cheers Roosta. Post amended.
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:12 am
Very funny, Twenty, but you make a serious point
“And let’s look at it this way – how can you blaspheme something which does not exist? There is not the slightest shred of evidence that such a being as ‘God’ exists. There are holy books and sacred scrolls but none of them prove the existence of God.
So until such time that there is irrefutable proof that God is real then you cannot blaspheme. Belief and faith in God are no substantiation, or transubstantiation. The fact that millions of people believe in God, or Allah or Buddah or whatever flavour of the one idea, is no proof that God exists.”
This is, indeed, the defence to any charge of blasphemous libel that these maniacs care to bring. You can select any villain from history that has been universally villified ( Hitler, Genghis Khan etc ) and claim that they are your god and they have been libelled.
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:14 am
un-fucking-believable. wonder if god would be held in contempt and jailed for not turning up at the hearing though?
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:22 am
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April 29th, 2009 @ 11:33 am
There’s an article against blasphemy already in the Constitution (thanks a lot, Dev, you miserable string of Catholic piss), but the Supreme Court said that it was impossible to say “of what the offence of blasphemy consists”, which basically means that the article is toothless. This new law would give it teeth.
And if a work were proven to be blasphemous – the Gardai would be able to get a warrant to enter your house and seize it. Lock up your copies of the Life of Brian and the God Delusion in case Dermot Ahern’s Catholic Thought Police come a knocking.
The whole thing stinks of Opus Dei or Catholic dominionists of their ilk. Anyone know if Ahern has connections to them?
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:36 am
It’ll be interesting to see the reaction in the North from the DUP/Free P’s – will they say that it shows HR=RR etc etc or will they applaud it ?
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:37 am
Complain to Ahern here: dermot@dermotahern.ie
Complain to Pat Rabbitte (whose amendment only puts lipstick on this pig of a law) here: pat.rabbitte@oireachtas.ie
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:39 am
The whole thing stinks of Opus Dei or Catholic dominionists of their ilk. Anyone know if Ahern has connections to them?
No idea. He does appear to have very right wing catholic friendly views on homosexuality, for instance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermot_Ahern#Allegations_of_Homophobia
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:42 am
Laws against what we write, think or say in disagreement with the Soldiers of Density are coming closer to Big Brother or closer to the Nazi Paragraphy 175 (depending) … you’re dead right to call that fecker out Twenty, he’s just a little brown shirt, he’d be saluting with the rest of them if this was 1933 in Berlin… wait, isn’t it?
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:47 am
Hear bloody hear. This proposal is fuckology on a grand scale.
However, Twenty, I fear you’re tarring all the supposed deities with the same atheistic brush. The Tooth Fairy?
A. S/he does exist and I have a metaphorical mouthful of 50p pieces to prove it.( I’m a heavy saver).
B. Said fairy has only ever brought healing, peace and happiness to those lives it has touched. The fact that they were so touched while sleeping in the dead of night may be an issue worth further examination, but you general drift, yeah?
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:49 am
Complain to Ahern here: dermot@dermotahern.ie
Complain to Pat Rabbitte (whose amendment only puts lipstick on this pig of a law) here: pat.rabbitte@oireachtas.ie
Ta very much like.
I’ll let you know if I get an answer.
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:49 am
The next step will be to proclaim Cowen, our Glorious Leader, a god among men. Then anyone who criticises him will be guilty of blasphemy.
Genius when you think about it. They might have trouble finding a halo to fit though.
April 29th, 2009 @ 11:50 am
Jayziz, God-damn Allah-wallahs and Opus-cunting-Dei pricks taking over the country = €400,000 worth.
And kiss goodbye to Fr Ted re-runs and DVDs.
April 29th, 2009 @ 12:05 pm
Jesus was a Blueshirt!
April 29th, 2009 @ 12:09 pm
This shows a real lack of intelligence in our government.
April 29th, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
I did that just yesterday and I saw an ad saying the following:
“Unbelievable”
“Did you know that you must take a religious oath in order to become a judge – or the president – in Ireland?”
I remember someone suggesting that Twenty should be the next president – well, sorry lads, not gonna happen!
I always thought religion was a great idea. It keeps plebes occupied while I’m plotting to take over the world.
April 29th, 2009 @ 12:28 pm
Oh, and by the way:
http://www.humanism.ie/website/
I have a feeling they will come in handy one day.
I suspect you can only commit blasphemy against something you believe in, so it may just be that this is a piece of rubbish law aimed at blasphemous Catholics…?
April 29th, 2009 @ 12:43 pm
PS. The original post had an extra line on the begining that somehow disappeared.
It said: I encourage you to take the dart.
Makes more sense now.
This job is killing my brain cells.
April 29th, 2009 @ 12:45 pm
We are going backwards at an unbelievable rate. 17% unemployment next year? new blasphemy laws?
Fianna Fail will declare the world to be flat tomorrow
April 29th, 2009 @ 12:57 pm
earth under that fat cunt harney very flat already. maybe some solicitors out there could clarify, but fairly sure that only legal entities (person or company) can bring a case to court themselves or on their behalf. furthermore, also think that can only bring case on someone’s behalf without their consent if they are dead or incapable of doing so. if god was either, it’d make all those dress wearing religious freaks look more stupid than they already do
April 29th, 2009 @ 12:59 pm
I’ve mailed the two of them.
I’m sure it’ll change their minds.
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:08 pm
Moncrieff Is talking about it now..
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:08 pm
Well I’m off to ring that prick Ahern and tell him I’ve converted to Jedi and if as much as attempts to say that the force is not strong in me, I’ll see him in court…..
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:10 pm
stop the press Henry (Louis Theroux wammabe)McKeane is asking cunts in galway what they think about Blasphemy..
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:13 pm
Ho ho !
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:14 pm
wannabe even
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:21 pm
And what did the people of Galway say?
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:23 pm
Fair play Twenty!
A nice timely post from you, in your usual moderate tone. From the article in the Times today, it seems that they are going against the recommendation of the Committee on the Constitution – headed by one of their own FFers.
The proposed text mentions offense against “any religion” – if only the fine went to the religion that was blasphemed against? Dibs on setting up the Sacred Church of Twenty!
G’Luck
M
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:34 pm
Numptie said:
“We are going backwards at an unbelievable rate. 17% unemployment next year? new blasphemy laws?
“Fianna Fail will declare the world to be flat.”
…
Mark my words, if it’s a wet humid summer, the moving statues will be back. And anyway, generations of Fianna Failers have come to power on promises to “drain the Shannon”. If that geographical impossibility can be achieved, maybe the Earth is flat.
I suppose the RC Church is somewhere in the woodwork here, more worried about the odd “fuck” or “cunt” being heard than they are about protecting children from kiddy-fiddler priests, but I suspect the growing breed of creeps who combine right-wing populist views with stridently aggressive interference in everyone else’s affairs somehow have a hand in it, too. I mean, a lot of us tolerate their Angelus on the radio and TV, so why can’t they just shrug it off when I say religion is bullshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Nrp7cj_tM
Not forgetting that sinister force Opus Dei, which is always lurking among or close to the powerful.
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:38 pm
Twenty:they tried to sell him a scabbie dog on a string along with some shit hash…
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:42 pm
Usually reliable sources tell me that when it’s published in a month or so the Dublin Diocesan enquiry into child abuse is going to do huge damage to Catholicism in Ireland, this might be a last ditch effort at getting their retaliation in first.
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:48 pm
Hey Twenty,
Who the fuck are you calling a cunt? . I’ll have you, ye bastard !
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:49 pm
Twenty:they tried to sell him a scabbie dog on a string along with some shit hash…
haha
Conan – that would make some kind of sense all right.
April 29th, 2009 @ 1:56 pm
(a) Don’t we have some form of separation of church and state in this country?
(b) Wouldn’t it be easier for the catholic hierarchy to just shoot Tommy Tiernan?
April 29th, 2009 @ 2:05 pm
Rowan Manahan said:
“…(b) Wouldn’t it be easier for the catholic hierarchy to just shoot Tommy Tiernan?”
For fuck sake, Rowan, don’t paint devils on the wall and maybe give the cunts the idea of dealing with “blasphemy” that way.
April 29th, 2009 @ 2:09 pm
An item I found on the Internet about blasphemy laws in one of our EU partner states:
“Provisions against blasphemy were updated in 1999 and have been periodically used since that time to supplement other law. In 2005, for example, the Tampere District Court fined a man under telecommunications and blasphemy law for recurrently ‘bombing’ a religious chat room with messages, including some of a blasphemous character (eg associating religious practices in a pejorative manner with sexual activities). The offender was additionally ordered to compensate the chatroom operator and had his computer confiscated.”
Ouch! His computer confiscated just because he got onto a chat line and put a few self-righteous idiots’ tolerance to the test.
April 29th, 2009 @ 2:09 pm
Fintan:heh lets hear him out..
Rowan: I’m intrigued,tell me more of this “Shoot Tommy Tiernan” idea?
April 29th, 2009 @ 2:31 pm
Preaching to the converted, Twenty. Over here in jolly Olde Englande we’ve still got blasphemy laws on the books I believe. They certainly were about 6 years ago when two kids were successfully prosecuted for wearing “JESUS IS A CUNT” t-shirts.
Some little old woman complained and someone dug out the blasphemy laws as saying “cunt” in public is allowed. However, saying Jesus is one, isn’t. It’s fine to insult Buddha and to call the Torah a steaming pile of shit.
Oh, except you’re then done under race-hate laws instead.
Welcome to England. Where you’re not allowed to have a strong opinion on *anything* any more in case you upset some poor dear.
April 29th, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
Twenty, if God exists, he will punish you for your blasphemy at the first strike of the Angelus today by dropping a piano painted Mickey Rooney green on your head. Painted on the lid of the piano will be the words “Burn in Hell, Twenty, you cunt!” in a suitable religious font.
God is allowed to say “cunt”, because He is God.
April 29th, 2009 @ 2:48 pm
We’ll see what happens at 6.01 then, Nobby. I feel fairly secure though, I have to say.
Mosh – gotta get me one of those t-shirts.
April 29th, 2009 @ 2:50 pm
Surely if god is such an all-powerful and thoroughly excellent fellow as his followers would have you believe, he’s not going to be hurt by anything any of us calls him now is he?
p.s., fuck you Ahern.
April 29th, 2009 @ 2:53 pm
p.s., fuck you Ahern.
Amen.
April 29th, 2009 @ 3:06 pm
It is the Catholic church trying to introduce that fundamentalist “Begorrah” Law..
It’ll end up with alterboys hijacking St Johns Ambulances full of Holy Water and driving them into Twenty’s house..
Of course they’ll jump clear of the ambulances before impact as suicide is a mortal sin..
April 29th, 2009 @ 3:07 pm
are you fucking kidding me????
April 29th, 2009 @ 3:17 pm
I’m no legal expert, but I assume if this were to be enshrined as law then “blasphemy” would have to be legally declined. Thus, they would have to come up with a list of what is considered divine etc. Do we include Zeus? Apollo?
This could fall down so many ways. Just say it passes. Then we get someone to call Thor a cunt. Then I take a case. It would go to court. And we’d have the situation where a country was holding a courtcase to prosecute a man for calling Thor a cunt.
I hope it does pass, it would be a hoot trying to find ways to attack it.
April 29th, 2009 @ 3:22 pm
Excellent post, Twenty.
April 29th, 2009 @ 3:24 pm
Can we not form a religon where we believe that the current government is not THE ONE TRUE GOVERNMENT and anything they say is blasphemous?
April 29th, 2009 @ 3:25 pm
Clearly, the powers-that-be are not happy with the Broadcasting Complaints approach to suppressing anti-clerical thought, so they are going for a bogeyman approach instead.
Unbelievable!
Weird aside – I saw Bill Hicks in the Tivoli on the day of the abortion referendum in November 1992. We were waiting with bated breath to see if he would talk about it, but he didn’t. Goatboy still had people fleeing the building though …
April 29th, 2009 @ 3:31 pm
Rowan:That was a fucking savage gig..
April 29th, 2009 @ 3:35 pm
I’m surprised any of them can stop sucking satans big blistered scabby cock for long enough(“swallow Mary, don’t spill any”) to even think about passing new laws. How about some new fucking laws to get our banks illegal profits back? Or to prosecute Mary Harney for the unlawful deaths she’s directly responsible for thru a combination of towering arrogance and monumental incompetence. And while we’re at it, could someone please shove a giant wooden crucifix directly up bertie aherns cunt?
April 29th, 2009 @ 3:42 pm
[...] Twenty Major says it as eloquently as ever here. [...]
April 29th, 2009 @ 3:49 pm
Twenty, post a comment at 6.01 pm, just to let us know for sure. I’m pretty confident God doesn’t exist and that you’ll be safe.
But just to be sure, I’ll say prayer that he doesn’t exist.
April 29th, 2009 @ 4:13 pm
Twenty’s post = Excellent
Divine being and earthbound minions = Fail
April 29th, 2009 @ 4:18 pm
Mosh:
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-34658589_ITM
April 29th, 2009 @ 4:31 pm
I set up a facebook group on this
http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=190675270453
April 29th, 2009 @ 4:36 pm
This post reminds me of an australian movie:
The Man Who Sued God http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268437/
April 29th, 2009 @ 4:55 pm
Had to check the date to ensure that it wasn’t April 1st.
Blasphemy, like a belief in any God, is a personal perception.
How can a perception be legislative?
April 29th, 2009 @ 5:06 pm
How can a perception be legislative?
These people believe that every time you say mass,Jesus turns into a biscuit.
I dont think there’s any reasonable judgement going on
April 29th, 2009 @ 5:12 pm
But without that sort of belief Fill we wouldn’t have great films like From Dusk to Dawn or Blade – so there is an up side.
April 29th, 2009 @ 5:47 pm
Blasphemy, like a belief in any God, is a personal perception.
How can a perception be legislative?
Which is why it seems so pointless as well as stupid. How can any case be successfully prosecuted?
“You are charged with blasphemy against Allah”.
“I don’t believe in Allah”.
“Well, actually, neither do I. I believe in a Christian God”.
“Cya m8!”
April 29th, 2009 @ 5:54 pm
No follow-up from Twenty at 6.01 pm.
Did God get him with that piano?
April 29th, 2009 @ 5:56 pm
I’m here. Was eating me dinner. Didn’t choke on it either.
April 29th, 2009 @ 6:19 pm
Ill be home for the first time in nearly two years come July, friends and family have warned me that the place is far far different than the place it was in September 2007.
This blog has, for some reason slapped me in the face with a dose of reality more than all the reports and columns I’ve read in the indo since the recession began.
Guess I’ll see for myself this summer when hopefully there’ll be some half decent weather to distract the mass of angry hordes lining the dole queues.
But I whole heartedly agree that FF and the catholic church must be completely wiped off the map if the country has any chance of moving forward. When are the European and next general elections? I’d like to get my chance to tell Cowen to get Fucked!!!
Cheers..
April 29th, 2009 @ 6:22 pm
[...] is now part of defamation law in Ireland? Christ on a [...]
April 29th, 2009 @ 6:25 pm
How do we know it’s really you and not God playing some dirty religious trick on us?
April 29th, 2009 @ 7:13 pm
These people believe that every time you say mass,Jesus turns into a biscuit.
It’s the other way around – the biscuit turns into Jesus, though not in any way you can detect without first flushing your critical thinking and the rest of your brain down the shitter.
And each crumb of the biscuit has a whole, entire Jesus – so if you break the biscuit up into pieces you can have millions of Jesuses.
And this is the kind of crazy shit we’re supposed to treat with solemn respect on pain of fine or imprisonment.
April 29th, 2009 @ 7:14 pm
http://www.cinderblock.com/bands/product-details.aspx?product=7865&category=251
April 29th, 2009 @ 7:49 pm
You’d be surprised at the number of what you would call, sane people, who believe in complete fairytales. It’s fucking scary that people in positions of power stoke up this belief. e.g. blanket guarantee on deposits was a good idea – huh? stopping pensions for serving TDs was just a budget aspiration, not a reality – huh? I have to admit though; I’ve nearly given up on getting pissed off about shit. There’s just so many fucking idiots everywhere; people in power know they can just fiddle away with no consequence for them. Give the religious loons more fat? that’ll keep the masses happy. no pun intended
April 29th, 2009 @ 8:02 pm
Would you honestly expect anymore from an overly ambitious mediocre cunt like him?
April 29th, 2009 @ 9:18 pm
[...] PS, Twenty Majors funnier response; here. [...]
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:27 pm
20, I think your update solves the absurdity… not more than €100k for every time someone says “Jesus Christ” or “God fuck a chicken’s cub!” A billion could come in during the reading of one of the many suppository budgets in the next few years…
April 29th, 2009 @ 10:30 pm
[...] April 29, 2009 in Politics, Religion | Tags: Politics, Religion (Brought about by the musings of Twenty Major) [...]
April 30th, 2009 @ 2:18 am
[...] There’s a more learned take on the matter over at The Jackanory, and as usual Twenty Major’s perspective is well worth reading (”This is possibly the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. It’s like [...]
April 30th, 2009 @ 3:27 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/us/27atheist.html?scp=2&sq=atheist&st=cse
”
Despite changing attitudes, polls continue to show that atheists are ranked lower than any other minority or religious group when Americans are asked whether they would vote for or approve of their child marrying a member of that group”
Real change when we get the first Atheist- American in the white house .
Can we do it ? Yes we can
Bob the Builder for Prez !
April 30th, 2009 @ 4:51 am
[...] For the “not faint of heart”, you can find the entire blog piece here. [...]
April 30th, 2009 @ 7:06 am
‘How can any case be successfully prosecuted?’
Other cases have been thrown out because it was not clear what blasphemy actually was. Ahern is defining what blasphemy is so people can be prosecuted.
Anyone who says anything that is grossly offensive to a religon so as to cause outrage to enough members of that religon will be guilty.
Does this pave the way for religons to prosecute each other seeing as they all hold each other in contempt. Shall the priests be charged for saying mass if enough muslims complain that they are blaspheming and vice versa? I hope so.
April 30th, 2009 @ 8:16 am
The Book of Mormon was written by a Fianna Failer…
April 30th, 2009 @ 8:16 am
The Book of Mormon was written by a Fianna Failer…
Sorry, I meant Moron.
April 30th, 2009 @ 8:35 am
All I can say is – 23% approval rating calls for drastic action… Wait a moment Robin – we have a catholic majority! Hmmmm – holy-banana-republic-lawmking you’re right batman! Man the presses!
April 30th, 2009 @ 9:55 am
The Wiki said:
“Blasphemy” may be used by extension to describe any display of gross irreverence towards any person or thing deemed worthy of exalted esteem.
This isn’t about religion, it’s about shutting up anyone who speaks ill about politicians, or paints pictures of ‘exalted’ ones.
April 30th, 2009 @ 10:28 am
Thats it.You Blaspheme against Fianna Fail and a number of the members are offended.They Sue you and pocket the cash.
THats the courts booked up for the next 20 years then.
I can see the headline now:
“Financially and Morally bankrupt bunch of Cunts to sue entire population”
April 30th, 2009 @ 10:37 am
“Financially and Morally bankrupt bunch of Cunts to sue entire population”
“after taxing them to the hilt and sacrificing their children to the paedophiles in the church”
April 30th, 2009 @ 10:47 am
“after taxing them to the hilt and sacrificing their children to the paedophiles in the church”
..with ice..
April 30th, 2009 @ 12:56 pm
For an alternative viewpoint on why the blasphemy law might not be the worst idea in the world (through appealing to economics), see http://thefreemarketeers.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/the-democratic-will-of-god/
April 30th, 2009 @ 1:31 pm
meh
April 30th, 2009 @ 3:42 pm
Got a response from Pat Rabittes e-mail address :
Thank you for communication concerning the government decision to include a section on blasphemous libel in the Defamation Bill. The Bill is at Committee stage and the proposed new section has not yet been reached.
The Labour Party is opposed to the inclusion of such a section. We support the proposal from the Constitutional Review Group to remove the reference in the constitution by way of referendum.
Tactically we have taken a “belt and braces” approach i.e. if the Minister refuses to excise the reference in the Bill our amendment will seek to constrain the government’s proposal. According to this morning’s newspapers, the Minister intends to press ahead.
Sincerely
Pat Rabbitte TD
April 30th, 2009 @ 3:46 pm
I just got exactly the same reply.
April 30th, 2009 @ 4:05 pm
fuckface ahern didn’t send anything back…
April 30th, 2009 @ 6:23 pm
[...] This guy says it better than anyone could: http://twentymajor.net/2009/04/29/ill-blaspheme-who-i-want-you-godfearing-cunt-ahern/ [...]
April 30th, 2009 @ 7:24 pm
I know I’m only in a small religious group (Proatheist) and nobody much has heard of us but we’re worried. Probably the central tenet of our faith is a belief in the miracle of free speech.
If we aren’t allowed free speech isn’t our faith being blasphemed? This proposed law is a blasphemy to us. We don’t wish any harm to anyone- please help!
The Right Rev Captain Con O’Sullivan.
April 30th, 2009 @ 9:07 pm
Hey….
I thought any change/amendment to the constititittiittiion required a referendum?
April 30th, 2009 @ 10:10 pm
The one entity in this whole mess I feel sorry for is God.
Nobody ever asked him what he thinks.
Since God does not publish press releases we do not know how he feels about the whole thing.
But I’m sure he’s more upset at thousands of cunts throughout history murdering, raping and torturing innocent people in the name of religion.
April 30th, 2009 @ 11:55 pm
And these muppets want to plug Ireland abroad as a knowledge economy. After the complete mismanagement of our economy, this has to be the final nail in the coffin that carries the country’s credibility.
May 1st, 2009 @ 8:32 am
Twenty, when you write like that, I’m reminded what a flahbag you are.
May 1st, 2009 @ 8:38 am
I’m assuming that’s a good thing. Or at least partly a good thing.
May 1st, 2009 @ 1:38 pm
It’s a good thing.
Well, I mean, it’s a good thing from my point of view, but not from your point of view if I alarm you, which I probably do, because I alarm everyone…
I’ve confused myself now.
May 4th, 2009 @ 5:21 pm
Why the fuck is everyone so concerned about the advantages of this proposed law to the Catholic church’s leaders?
This is EXACTLY the kind of law that muslim psychos will use to further suppress any criticism of that religion. Paired with the threat and reality of murderous violence (eg, against Salman Rushdie, Theo van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, to name but a few cases in Europe), this is a desperately dangerous proposal.
But as long as this can be used to drag the Catholic church across the coals yet again [yawn] (while the fascist imams rub their hands with glee), then I guess there’ll be plenty of people who’ll thrown in their tuppence worth. Forget that even arguments like this would be impossible under the sharia law that so many muslims are pushing for… That doesn’t matter. Kick the dying church, but embrace the yoke of islam. Irish imbecility at its best.
May 5th, 2009 @ 12:45 pm
how the fuck can you associate religion with backwardness? and have you ever thought about what might happen after we die? is the few short years we have on earth all there is or is there something even greater to which life-in all its own greatness and variety- is just a prelude? if you’re right and God doesnt exist, why should we do right rather than wrong? religion is one of the things that holds a civilisation together and the atheist viewpoint is in my view one of the sickest imaginable. A note on a reader’s letter i saw in the examiner concerning th cancelment of the euthanasia lecture in ucc in which the writer links euthanasia and medicine- if by any chance you’re readiing this know that you’re the scum of the earth for linking life-saving and killing.
May 5th, 2009 @ 12:48 pm
Idiotic, you don’t need religion to lead a good life or to know the difference between right and wrong.
Kick the dying church, but embrace the yoke of islam. Irish imbecility at its best.
Who, exactly, is embracing Islam?
May 5th, 2009 @ 12:51 pm
i didnt say you need it to know the difference between right and wrong you illiterate fucking scumbag. i sauid that if there wasn’t a God then why should we do one rather than the other.
May 5th, 2009 @ 1:04 pm
What has God got to do with right or wrong?
May 6th, 2009 @ 12:03 am
kingconor2:
The idea of religion is to be loving and tolerant.
The idea of organised religion is to dominate and control the people and suppress any opposing viewpoint.
This law is offensive because it gives organised religion and churches the power to do exactly that.
Besides, organised religion and churches abuse and pervert religion to their own ends and means.
They have as much to do with love and peace as the Nazis.
May 6th, 2009 @ 12:58 pm
do you mean organised religion or cults like scientology,freemasonry,etc? that’s THEIR idea. You contradicted yourself by saying the idea of religion is to be loving and tolerant and then shooting yourself in the foot by saying the idea of organised religion is “to dominate and control the people and suppress any opposing viewpoint”. Religion=organised religion. The idea- the former.
May 6th, 2009 @ 1:00 pm
oh yeah and how do you work out they abuse and pervert religion to their own ends and means when they have charities all over the world and missionaries haveoften died to spread their religious beliefs? You’re a weirdo.
May 6th, 2009 @ 1:01 pm
oh yeah and how do you work out they abuse and pervert religion to their own ends and means when they have charities all over the world and missionaries have often died to spread their religious beliefs? You’re a weirdo.
May 6th, 2009 @ 1:47 pm
Doesn’t anyone get it that the whole purpose of this initiative by Dermot “I want to be the next Taoiseach” Ahern* is just another ploy to get his name into the papers, so people don’t forget he’s still around and very very important.
For another example of the breed, see that other master self-publicist, the globe-straddling Micky Martin.
It’s a frightening thought that such repugnant legislation could be introduced just to boost a mediocre politician’s ego/image.
* AKA the “Minister for Dundalk Publicans”, when he recently called for increases in the price of drink in the North, to stop the locals going up north to buy their refreshments.
May 6th, 2009 @ 7:41 pm
kingconor2
Religion is based on spirituality.
Organized religion is to make sure people get just a smidgen of spirituality bate into them along the lines “this means that, now repeat it and if you question it you get a smack”. It is in fact designed to suppress spirituality and individual thought.
Religion=Music
Organised Religion=RIAA
It’s OK if you’re not ready to discover the true meaning of spirituality and self discovery, if you need the crutch of a structure that tells you what to believe and what to think. Some people are more comfortable with someone else telling them what to think and what to say.
Not everyone has the mind to think for themselves independently.
May 6th, 2009 @ 7:43 pm
And missionaries have died forcing Catholicism onto people who didn’t need it or want it.
May 7th, 2009 @ 11:56 am
“It’s OK if you’re not ready to discover the true meaning of spirituality and self discovery, if you need the crutch of a structure that tells you what to believe and what to think. Some people are more comfortable with someone else telling them what to think and what to say.
Not everyone has the mind to think for themselves independently.”
You’re living in a cocoon of denial and you insinuate that I dont have the mind to think independently. You’re a hypocrite.
May 7th, 2009 @ 1:26 pm
I’m free thinking, I get ideas from any direction, assess them and make up my own mind.
I call no one my leader and make my own decisions.
The word of man is never the word of god.
Since we don’t have a press statement from him/she/it, we don’t know what he/she/it thinks.
I have been expressing my believes while you have done nothing than snipe.
Maybe you could give me a quick outline of your believes? What do you call your religion?
May 8th, 2009 @ 9:10 am
OK i believe there is a God. He is His own Father, His own Son, and His own Holy Spirit. This is the Holy Trinity. And He comes every Sunday in the Mass in the form of bread and wine. Because when the the priest consecrates the bread and wine they no longer exist as bread and wine they are wholly truly and subsatantially God: this is an outline of Catholicism. And i’ve never really understood the atheist viewpoint. The Big Bang explains logically how the Universe came into being. But how can there randomly have been just a big explosion and KABOOM the universe just suddenly exists? There would have to have been something to explode.this couldnt have come about on its own.
May 8th, 2009 @ 9:14 am
Yet, the idea that bread and wine is the body and blood of Christ is perfectly reasonable?
May 8th, 2009 @ 6:45 pm
Ah, I get it.
Leg pull alert.
May 11th, 2009 @ 9:57 am
you havent answered how else the big ball of matter that makes up the universe could possibly have come about to explode and cause the big bang. look who’s sniping now.
May 12th, 2009 @ 11:01 pm
What, you where being serious?
May 13th, 2009 @ 9:20 am
Obviously. Another thing you might be able to explain while you’re at it is that when the earth was made how the very first form of life from which which everything else evolved. Air is dead. Water is dead. Why? Because they can’t grow, eat, respire, reproduce, etc. If we accept that, say, bacteria were the first life form to inhabit this planet, how could they have suddenly come about randomly? You think that i and everyone who believes in God lives in a dream? I have always thought that atheists lived in denial. Have you ever thought that there might be questions that science alone can’t answer satisfactorily? Science and religion need one another, they don’t oppose one another. They are different ways of looking at the world. Science asks how, religion asks why.
May 13th, 2009 @ 8:42 pm
I never said I was an atheist.
But organised religion is run by people. People with their own ideas, their own agendas. And over the centuries interconnected with many different kinds of governments. With their own ideas and agendas.
Religion has been pressed into service by the churches to advance their and the state’s aims.
When religion was conceived, the Spanish Inquisition was not the idea.
Ideas where replaced by absolute dogma. Dissenters where eradicated. Followers of other religions persecuted, scientists silenced.
The church deals in absolutes, science deals in theories.
Only a fool would pretend to have all the answers and I would be extremely wary of anyone who knows everything with absolute certainty.
Science does not preclude religion, it simply explains the workings of the physical world we see (or don’t see) around us.
All matter is made up of energy, it is insubstantial. The world around us is an illusion.
Why this is, no one knows for sure.
But what I do know for sure and can testify upon personal experience, is that anyone who claims God speaks through him and wants you to do X,Y and Z for him is 99.9% a filthy conman and is working you to his own ends.
God never told anyone to slaughter “unbelievers”, be it Christians against Muslims, Protestants against Catholics or religion against science.
We are all created equal, the lowliest beggar to the highest king. We only add all the bullshit ourselves to somehow “elevate” us above other people.
This can only come from a sense of loathing of other people, to somehow put them beneath us.
I call no one master and bow to nobody and neither do I expect anyone to bow for me.
And should the time come when the state once again supports the church in forcing consent from the people I will be the first one to open a branch of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster here.
This is the first step, when the first critic is silenced, the first article banned.
What’s next? Where to stop?
It would have been nice to think we had evolved beyond the need to simply silence dissenters instead of allowing everyone to make up their own mind, but our primitive ape brain simply wants to hit anyone over the head that doesn’t fit in with our plans and ideas.
And the human race as a whole is thrown back millennia by it.
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Voltaire
May 14th, 2009 @ 8:41 am
OK. You call no-one your leader. I get that. You have asked me to explain my beliefs. I have done so. Might I ask the same courtesy of you? You have said in the above comment that you never said you were an atheist. Fair enough. I apologise for jumping to conclusions. But what is it exactly that you believe?
May 14th, 2009 @ 8:10 pm
I do believe there must be a purpose to our being in this life, otherwise nothing would make sense.
If all this is just random chance, life would be a pointless joke.
We are more than just a physical body, and hopefully we take something with us, experience, knowledge, etc…
There cannot ever be anything like eternal damnation for mistakes we made, otherwise we’ll never learn and improve ourselves.
It’s very possible we have to go through several lifetimes.
We are all imperfect beings and hopefully manage to improve ourselves throughout life.
Technological advances over the millennia have been nice, but not as important as advances in the human spirit.
Accepting other cultures and ways of thinking, learning to cooperate as a species instead of oppressing and suppressing are the most important developments and we have a long way to go.
Humanity sets itself artificial boundaries of ideological and monetary constraints.
If the only limit was our ingenuity, we’d have left the solar system by now.
But so far not bad for a bunch of cavemen.
Nobody is perfect, but all we can do is try to improve ourselves a bit every day.
May 15th, 2009 @ 10:10 am
I agree. I really do. But are all crimes mistakes? Take for example such heinous crimes as murder and rape, both of children and adults.
The perpetrators aren’t always caught. Often, when they are, they are given pointlessly lenient sentences. I have always thought this is more or less the same as getting away with it. Does it not make sense to you that there should be some form of ultimate punishment for them, be it in this life or the next? And I do NOT for one fraction of a second exempt the religious from what I have said. Far from it. And these monetary constraints you have mentioned, how are they artificial? Money and trading are an essential part o what makes up society as a whole, for otherwise wouldn’t there be just war and anarchy? But I agree with what you have said otherwise.
May 26th, 2009 @ 1:07 pm
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July 10th, 2009 @ 6:35 pm
Yeah. Fuck Religion. POWER TO THE PEOPLE
July 11th, 2009 @ 1:45 am
Twenty – good work bro – reckon you should make a t-shirt in 80′s throwback style – instead of ‘Frankie Says’ – you can do ‘Twenty Says … god is a cunt’
– for your viewing pleasure …
http://www.yourgodisimaginary.com/index.htm
July 12th, 2010 @ 9:22 am
God is a cunt. God is dog shit on the bottom of my shoe. I’d kill the cunt if I found him.