So here we go
Posted on | July 30, 2008 | 186 Comments
The new legislation aimed at curbing ‘binge drinking’ comes into force tonight. If you want to drop in to your local off-licence to get a beer or two, a bottle of wine, or anything else, you have to do it before 10pm.
Some people might say that it’s no big hassle to go and get your drink a bit earlier if you want it. That’s entirely missing the point though. These new rules appear to be focussed entirely on stopping underage drinking or binge drinking amongst ‘minors’.
Some cunt called Michael McLoughlin of Youth Work Ireland says:
More needs to be done, especially with alcohol advertising and we need to see a greater sense of unity among all Government departments, not just justice, if we’re going to make a significant difference to our attitude to drinking.
Fuck you and your fucking attitude to drinking. Seriously. Why should the rest of us be punished, which is essentially what this is, because kids are doing exactly what they’ve done for years? When we were teenagers we drank, the teenagers today drink, and the teenagers of the future will drink.
Why should adults have to suffer because the media’s latest hand-wringing campaign is about kids drinking 2 litres of cider in fields? If you want to discourage teenagers from drinking then make the new legislation about them.
For example, if you’re underage and you’re caught drinking then YOU get a fine or your parents get a fine. Maybe you have some kind of curfew imposed on you with a ankle bracelet showing you’re at home. Yes, I accept that sounds absolutely ridiculous but it’s no more ridiculous than this nanny state bollocks we’re faced with today.
Why can’t I buy alcohol tonight at 10.30? Give me one good reason. I don’t give a fuck about teenagers, I don’t care less about the so-called ‘binge drinking’ problem which is, of course, just made up anyway. This idea that it’s a new phenomenon is not only patently false it’s downright insulting. Are we supposed to believe that people are drinking more these days? It’s nonsense. We are being told that all the problems of society are due to drink and while there are always problems associated with booze this is just being used by the government to make it look like they’re doing something.
But people will still get robbed and stabbed and fights will happen and violent crime will still occur and then they’ll have to blame something else and we’re stuck in a neverending circle of restrictive legislation.
In the future all supermarkets and shops will have to have a separate section for alcohol. What does that do? What is the point of it other than to cause expense to the shops? I fail to see how it has any bearing on ‘binge drinking’. Most supermarkets already are quite restrictive when it comes to selling alcohol, especially to those underage. I was in a Superquinn the other day and you have to be over 25 to buy booze. Over 25!
I’ve said it before, you will not change people’s attitudes towards drink by restricting the sale of alcohol. We need to be forward thinking, let’s look at 24 hour licensing. Let’s introduce the café-bar licences. Let’s stop being dictated to by the powerful Vintner’s lobby who are concerned only with themselves and how to make more money by getting people into pubs. Closing off-licences at 10pm is brilliant for them, they must be rubbing their hands together with glee today.
Preventing me or you or anyone else from buying something to drink after 10pm in the guise of combatting ‘binge drinking’ or underage drinking is not going to do any good whatsoever because it is ignoring the real issues.
But at least it makes it look like the Minister is doing ‘something’ and isn’t that the main thing. I’m sure the pints will be on the house wherever Dermot Ahern chooses to drink tonight.
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July 30th, 2008 @ 9:07 am
Here Here! I’m sick and tired of the draconian measures constantly being implemented by this half arsed government. These are laws designed not to protect anybody but to increasingly encroach on ordinary decent people’s civil liberties.
And what are people going to do about it? Take it in the arse like they always do, that’s what!
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:10 am
Twenty, start a petition.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:10 am
I suppose by the same criteria you can prevent the carnage on the roads by banning all vehicles between the hours of 10pm and 6am? Pricks!
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:24 am
NUTS!!!!
An Irish solution to an Irish problem!
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:31 am
But does it really fucking matter? it’s one hour earlier, its pointless and a waste of everyones time. There is no point in getting wound up about it because it’s not even an inconvenience.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:32 am
I think we should teach kids how to drink like the French do. You let them have a sup of wine or beer at dinner when they’re 15. Then a little more as time goes by and that takes the whole novelty out of it. They don’t associate drinking with having to get lamped.
I don’t believe in this binge drinking thing. Most teenagers I come across are not like that, they’re healthier than their parents were at that age.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:33 am
Yes, it matters. If it was actually for something then I could say ‘ok, I can see the logic of that’ but it’s a backwards step.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:33 am
In Iceland they only sell alcohol in these special government-run stores that are only open between 10am-4pm monday-friday. They have more security than the banks. You can’t even buy beer in the supermarkets.
And Icelanders are the biggest binge-drinkers ever, they go crazy for drink. Well you would, wouldn’t you.
And now I am going to stop banging on about Iceland, really. It was years ago.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:34 am
Oh, I don’t know. I take your point about it not addressing teen drinking, fair enough.
But I think it might go a bit farther to address the appalling out on the streets, late night drunken shit we seem to be so fond of.
All I know is, when I met my husband he was working in an Off licence. He worked 10-7, 6 on Sundays. People bought drink for what they needed, and it worked fine. Then they went to 9, then ten thirty and now it’s pub hours. Which sucked.
By that time he was in a shop attatched to a pub, and all it meant was that people waited til closing time to come get their cans, instead of getting them earlier. And there’s all this dead space during the evening.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:35 am
If any of you remember the “Save Our Seafront” campaign in Dun Laoghaire a few years back…..there’s how people power can work (even when headed up by that dick Boyd Barrett)…what slogan should we use?
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:36 am
I think we may be deluding ourselves here, take a look at town on a Friday/Saturday and tell me you don’t see the effects of excessive drinking, look at A&E in any hospital, look at domestic vioence figures and see how many are drink related, this problem is peculiar to the UK and Ireland. 24 hour drinking does not work, they have tried it in the UK and it failed, because quite frankly we cannot be trusted with the fucking responsibility. The truth is we need a cultural change and that takes generations no quick fix to it.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:37 am
“And now I am going to stop banging on about Iceland, really. It was years ago.”
Did you get Wrecked in Reykjavic?
Iceland looks interesting. I hear the people are odd though.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:41 am
Holemaster – you think the Icelanders are odd? They are a mix of Irish and Norwegian genes.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:41 am
Sounds odd to me!
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:44 am
I’m beginning to think we should have handed more power to europe! With the bollixes we put in power its all governance by sleight of hand and its been that way for a long, long time.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:48 am
It’s the usual “we have to be seen to eb doing somethign” response.
You also see it with speed checks, they are put, not on the roads where there have been accidents, but where this a greater chance of catching some poor bastard doing 55 kph in a 50 zone.
The problem with drinking and anti-social behaviour stems from the PEOPLE who are drinking and then fighting. Deal with them, not me.
For example, if I take my car to the pub, I won’t drink, but if there is access to a bus, I will happilly have a few pints.
So, following the “logic” of this proposal, the best way to stop people drinking is to ban public transportation.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:49 am
The truth is we need a cultural change and that takes generations no quick fix to it.
So how is what’s happening now changing anything? For as long as I can remember people have drunk, got drunk, in towns and villages and cities. There’s nothing new about what’s happening now in the same way there was nothing new with people being killed on the road. But once the media get their teeth into something and you have enough holier-than-thou ‘won’t someone think of the children’ cunts to make enough noise then you get shitty, pointless legislation like this.
Staggered closing times will work. 24 hour licences does not mean 24 hour pubs. Cafe-bars will make drinking more civilised. I think people would become used to it very quickly.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:51 am
“They are a mix of Irish and Norwegian genes.”
Odd balls and boozers no doubt.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:53 am
It’s completely retarded.
Plus in the light of drink-driving schemes it makes even less sense. It will drive people into pubs.
All they are doing is discouraging drinking at home which would I imagine be the thing they should be encouraging if they want to tackle anti-social behavior.
July 30th, 2008 @ 9:55 am
“It will drive people into pubs.”
Drive in pubs, brilliant. Imagine ordering four guinness at the hatch and waiting ages for them at the next hatch.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:03 am
You see your problem is Twenty you are looking at it from your own perspective, so perhaps YOU would behave in a more civilised manner. But I don’t think for a second you are one of these cunts who assaults medical staff when they are trying to help you. I am not anti-drinking just anti-fanny, the law should be stricter on people who cannot behave reasonably when pissed.
The thing is even when you take the Irish and the Brits out of their environment they cause fucking carnage through alcohol abuse.We need as a society to educate our young, introduce them to alchohol earlier, stop this stupid prohibition on other recreational drugs, and enforce laws on those who behave like cunts. As said earlier the problem is people, but lets face it most people are fucking idiots.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:06 am
My local off-license is a Centra/Londis-type supermarket, and it closes every night at 10:30. Any time I was there near closing time, there’s been at least one or two groups of knackers buying a few trays of cans each. Only last week I saw one of them spend over €300.
I would not like to be one of the poor young Pakistanis working behind the counter in there tonight.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:07 am
They will be fine MB all the knackers are in Mullingar
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:08 am
I often wonder what the world would have been like if tobacco had been discovered before alcohol. Would we now be sat around typing complaints that the local tobacconist was being forced to close early, “dammit, I’m going to have to wait til the morning to get my B&H!” Consider the alcohol ban too – Twenty Pints, still drinking in Dublin Pubs!
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:17 am
Imagine ordering four guinness at the hatch and waiting ages for them at the next hatch.
Apparently Australia has drive-thru Offies….
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:22 am
First they came for the smokers and I didn’t speak up ….
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:22 am
Oh the demon drink. Westerners used it to destroy aboriginal people in America and Australia. I don’t know when we started drinking in this country, would be interesting to know the history of booze here.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:36 am
then they came for the satanists and I didn’t speak up…
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:40 am
We drink damaging amounts of alcohol here, we always have. That’s the real issue .
This debate here is about how early we should allow our kids to start damaging themselves.
The question remains “why drink so much”
And it’s always different with the next generation. They have more money to buy stronger drinks. (This is progress).
But ultimately the question is, why drink so much?
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:42 am
The husband shares his observation of locked people, coming into the shop at closing time, on the way to a party. They come in for cans, go for the case when all they really need is a few, then grab a bottle of vodka as well, because they’re drunk, and it’s there. How much alcohol can you physically drink?
Serving alcohol to drunk people is no fun, and they spend money they don’t have, that they never intended spendign on drink – he says if you played video back to them of them buying drink drunk, they’d be horrified. And he’s talking about normal (binge) drinkers, not alcoholics.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:42 am
“Closing off-licences at 10pm is brilliant for them, they must be rubbing their hands together with glee today”
Yep, that’s the truth of it… the vintners have had enormous influence on the licencing laws in recent years. The vast majority of off license sales are to ordinary folks who drink socially in their own homes rather than go (drive) to pubs. Btw, are pubs now prohibited from selling takeaway six packs and bottles of spirits/wine after 10pm? If they are, will it be enforced?
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:43 am
Underage drinkers are just gonna buy their booze earlier and subject us decent folk to cough up twice the price for take away come last orders.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:44 am
Fact
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:45 am
We are ordered to drink abundantly in the bible.
I have drunk my wine with my milk: eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, O beloved.
Song of Solomon.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:47 am
Sounds like maggots already had a few.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:48 am
[...] TwentyMajor (I’m becoming a bit of a fan) is having a rant about teenagers and the fact that you can’t buy a drink in an off-licence after 10pm now. And he’s right, it’s all bollocks. Binge drinking will always happen, even in the most sanguine of places, it’s our choice whether we want to binge drink or not and no law or moral compulsion can ever change that. [...]
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:51 am
I absolutey accept that we drink a lot in Ireland. No question about it.
The point is that if you start using prohibitive methods it will have absolutely no effect on the problem at all.
There’s a certain amount of education required. When you learn that you can stop off and have a beer or two and find a seat in a nice cafe-style bar and that there’s no pressure to get them in before closing time, then you’re addressing the problem. If we’re serious about changing drinking habits then change the drinking culture, don’t just think making it more difficult for kids to buy cans is going to do it.
Conan – very good point. I bet you can still get takeaway right up until closing time.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:52 am
But is that a general or particular order, maggot? I might say the same to friends at a party, but would be less pleased if they kept coming back to raid the Fridge during the week.
It ‘s may be a bad sign that I jsut capitalised ‘Fridge’…
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:53 am
Look it up online – chapter 5.
Song of Solomon
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:54 am
meh, I’m not really that pushed over the change.
Usually when you’re getting more booze between 10 and 11, you probably shouldn’t be, cos you’ve already horsed back far more than intended.
Anyway, I don’t know many teenagers (they’re cunts) but it seems that they don’t have the same taste for booze that we used to have.
They’re too busy swanning around in their designer shirts playing rugby and playing on their PS3s.
Spoilt little cunts.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:54 am
But surely cafe-bar culture, which I’m all for, and late off licence opening hours, are two very different things?
A cultured glass of beer and discussion of great literature, versus a bottle of vodka and twentyfour cans for the wee hours…
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:56 am
“I have drunk my wine with my milk: eat, O friends; DRINK TEA, drink abundantly, O beloved.
Song of Solomon.”
Sorry M, could not resist the deliberate typo.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:57 am
Of course they’re different Jo, but they both fall under this prohibition umbrella.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:57 am
Heh, morgor, I read that as ‘horse backed’ and was thinking it was a strange one, before the proper phrase filtered into my little brain.
July 30th, 2008 @ 10:59 am
This
makes interesting reading.
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:00 am
When you learn that you can stop off and have a beer or two and find a seat in a nice cafe-style bar and that there’s no pressure to get them in before closing time, then you’re addressing the problem.
Cos places like Legs and the Viper Room really encourage sociable drinking?
The more I think about it, the more I’m starting to agree with it. The later people are out, the more of a chance that they are going to be absolutely ossified.
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:00 am
Kids don’t buy drink after 10:00. They’re too pissed by that time.
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:02 am
“There’s nothing new about what’s happening now in the same way there was nothing new with people being killed on the road ”
Hmmm I wouldnt be so sure … I would think that facts based on statistics would be used to introduce laws.
The mathematics may clearly show a correlation between binge drinking …increased police arrests ….increased A&E callout etc
As for this new law …sometimes small changes are the foot falls of more substantive moves down the line …
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:06 am
“Apparently Australia has drive-thru Offies….”
Fair dinkum. They do, there was one down the road from me in Sydney. You just drive in and load up with slabs of beer, it’s no different to here except you sort of park in a bay with a hatch. It’s not like you’re cracking it open in the car.
But better than that was the bloke over in Clovelly who sold you grass out the kitchen window at the side of his house. You just phoned him up and told him you wanted a 300 dollar bag and you’d be around in 10 mins….. we’d roll up the lane beside the house… out with cash and you got your lovely grass.
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:07 am
Then we’d get “monged”
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:09 am
“If we’re serious about changing drinking habits then change the drinking culture”
Theyve got to start somewhere …. by feeling out public opinion they can then introduce more laws such as your cafe type one …
How do cultures change ?
They dont change overnight …
little by little … law by law
and you can only observe a culture change by looking at it and not being part of it.
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:14 am
I’m all for banning alcohol and setting up establishments like Holemaster just mentioned. There would be interesting times ahead if that was the case, less violence and less anti social behaviour (except for cunts with guitars)
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:14 am
“4. Ireland is the exception to this model. Although it became Roman Catholic in the early middle-ages it was not a Roman Province and did not develop Protestantism during the Reformation. Ireland continued Celtic alcohol consumption patterns and also integrated similar patterns from their Nordic invaders. During the first millennium, Ireland was relatively isolated from the continent. This isolation resulted in continuation of the old “feast drinking” and a more Spartan monastic culture.”
So it seems binge drinking is not a case of nurture over nature. Its both! We are reared in in a society that has adopted (nurtured) binge drinking over millennia, so much so its become second nature. We’re fucked!
I admit to going out occasionally and getting shatfaced but I always make my way home without attacking people or property and its only myself who suffers long term. Its the people who cannot handle the booze who are becoming a menace as some of the guys have pointed out earlier in this thread. We should adopt the three strikes and your out system so beloved in the U.S. but instead of life behind bars they should sew their holes shut!
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:14 am
I don’t know if this is prohibition.
It’s no different to how it used to be, what, ten, fifteen years ago, and we all got merrily fucked up then.
I’m not sure I value twenty-four hour- availability culture.
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:16 am
That’s the reality of life though, Jo.
People want 7 day a week shopping, they want late night shopping every weekday, not just on Thursdays, and when the demand is there we give it to them.
There would be a novelty value at first, no doubt, but people still have to go home, let babysitters go home, get up for work etc. It’s not going to destroy society.
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:21 am
It’s not twenty-four hour drinking that’s the problem, it’s forty-eight hour drinking.
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:21 am
Mmm, I don’t know if its values outweigh its benefits. Is it good for society? It’s not so good for family…
We might want it, but I still think we manage ok without it. I fear this is a terribly Dublin argument! If I lived up a mountain, the way I’d like to, there’d be no more daily pop-outs to the supermarket, never mind late night shopping.
I remember a friend who’d gone native in the States complianing about not being able to buy stuff here, and waxing lyrical about being able to go out and buy suitcases! in the middle of the night when they needed suitcases, and I just thought, what a twat.
What’s next, hiring Mexicans?
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:21 am
drug dealers are open all night.
hey kids.. look no more booze. Just cocaine
wahaayyyy
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:22 am
Fuck off Mexicans are lazy bastards, better hiring Puerto Ricans
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:23 am
It’s no different to how it used to be, what, ten, fifteen years ago, and we all got merrily fucked up then.
I’m not sure Jo – I get the impression that youngsters are drinking younger than in the past ?
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:25 am
But I agree with Twenty, not because the offies are open later.
They’re practicing ‘grownup’ behaviour i nall sorts of ways, sex, music, drugs, everything. M&S does a range of make up for for year olds called Glitterbabies…
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:26 am
I think a lot of it is about role modelling. I’m with Holemaster on a Frencher model of drinking.
And adults becoming more responsible. Adults drinking the way teenagers do – bleh.
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:28 am
Not sure how happy the vitners will be with this as I would guess a lot of the off sales after 10pm are made from pubs as people are leaving
it’s stil shite tho
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:29 am
Gotta agree with ya there twenty, these laws are being introduced to keep the publicans happy by shutting the off licences early. Can you imagine the kerfuffle if the pubs were forced to close at 10:30 while the offies could open till 11:30
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:32 am
Just on a different topic Twenty …
Since I know your a man who likes to read …
Have you read “Shantaram” By Gregory Roberts
fucking hell talk about a man living a life less ordinary
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:47 am
Nanny State my arse, These laws are not being introduced to improve society they are being introduced to keep the publicans happy.
The stranglehold that the publicans have over the alcohol retail trade is an absolute disgrace. This cartel should be broken up unmercifully the same way the taxi industry became unregulated.
Cheap Licences should be issued now and some real competition introduced to the industry.
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:47 am
I tell you why there’s no arguing Twenty, it’s too arduous typing an thinking at the same time. I can’t be arsed!
Was just discussing this with the husband – he came to the conclusion that we should all jsut go back to the eighties.
I said no, you couldn’t buy condoms. He said, fuck it, they’re all still getting pregnant anyway, it’s made no difference :)
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:49 am
Oh yeah, almost forgot –
“Make poverty history – cheaper drugs NOW!!!!”
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:49 am
I’m not too bothered by this change, one way or the other.
But I do think things need to change. I don’t have the answers. Someone mentioned the french way of drinking. I was in france recently. We were in a bar that was closing at 1am. I don’t know if thats the closing time throughout france but it was in this bar. There was a good few youngsters in the bar and they were fairly well on. The bar closed at 1 on the dot, none of this half an hour drinking up bullshit. Everyone got up and left straight away (well except us) When we went outside the street was deserted. Everyone had gone straight home! Shock fucking horror! We were standing waiting for a taxi and a squad car pulled up and asked us what we were doing. We explained and they drove off, but they kept circling back.
There were no chippers.
People in Ireland think they have the right to stand around on street corners for hours after pubs close.
The main problem in Ireland is the guards don’t have the respect that they have in other countries
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:50 am
I said no, you couldn’t buy condoms. He said, fuck it, they’re all still getting pregnant anyway, it’s made no difference :)
haha
Fenyman – yeah, I’ve read that. It gets a bit fantastical towards the end but it was entertaining.
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:52 am
According to some guy on the last word yesterday pubs can not sell alcohol for consupmtion off the premises after 10 either
July 30th, 2008 @ 11:55 am
“we should all just go back to the eighties”.
Good God never,
Remember the clobber,
the chioce of booze was Guinness, Harp, Smithwicks or maybe Furstenburg if you were in a trendy bar.
Half of us were unemployed and the other half were underpaid.
Duran Duran – need I say more
I could go on and on and on…..
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:00 pm
Nah, Dessiegee, embrace the recession! Sure the clothes are back already. Leggins everywhere.
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:02 pm
Duran Duran – need I say more
pffft – you had it easy! Morgor tells me, for example, that Twenty was a Bay City Rollers groupie!
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
Jeez jo – dont tell me leggins are back. I have to admit I have’nt noticed any. I just know that when I go out at lunch time I’ll be surrounded.
What’s next – bad perms?
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:09 pm
Comment nº. 26:
“Oh the demon drink. Westerners used it to destroy aboriginal people in America and Australia. I don’t know when we started drinking in this country, would be interesting to know the history of booze here.”
The first written mention of whiskey in Ireland was in 1405, although the government are now thinking of passing a law to reduce that date to 1305.
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:12 pm
Ahhhhhhh, the Bay City Rollers – I did sing shang-a-lang when I ran with the gang and I do remember seeing them play in the National ballroom.
other then that, though the 70′s and 80′s were pretty fucking grim….
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:12 pm
Fucking daft idea, though it annoys me less than closing the nightclubs early (my local offie closes at 10pm anyway). Café bars and 24 hour licensing really are the way to go….
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:13 pm
Twenty was a Bay City Rollers groupie
I have photos of him going down on each member.
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
I’ll pay €10 for those Morgor!
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
heh, on each member. That’s pretty gross, morgor. I forget your general politeness hides such a black interior ;)
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
If I remember correctly did’nt one of the bay city rollers got done for Gary Glitter behaviour. the drummer, possibly.
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:23 pm
Heck – here in Ontario, we have to purchase our booze at the liquor or beer store. There are the odd wine stores out there but pththt. None of them are ever open past 10 or ever were. We drank as teens. My kids drank as teens. And so will theirs just as you say. Because the teens aren’t buying the booze. They steal it from their parents, just as we did or get the older sibling or homeless alcoholic outside the store to buy it. If they really want to cut down teen drinking, they have to change the state of humanity. When we are all stress-free and have no need of escape, we might all stop drinking.
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:23 pm
Dessie – are you trying to link Twenty to Gary Glitter ?
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:24 pm
It’s to do with that containment and suppression thing. We don’t really want to be told to do stuff. The church, the police, the state and all that stuff. And being an island nation apparently makes us insecure, and we might drink to fill the void. So yes, ultimately the café culture and free availability will cure it. Isn’t it Italy where > 90 % of punters have never experienced drunkenness, but they had fascism too though!
But cars. There’s a thing. Too many now, much faster than before- Solve that one please.
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:26 pm
Jeannie – teens is one thing – 15 year olds etc were drnking when I was a younster – but these days it’s even pre-teens.
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
Isn’t it Italy where > 90 % of punters have never experienced drunkenness, but they had fascism too though!
So did Ireland – the Blueshirts and the Shinners
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
“I was in a Superquinn the other day and you have to be over 25 to buy booze. Over 25!”
Think you might be telling porkies there, which would be illegal.
All in all you are right though it is just another step towards putting alcohol on that shitty pedestal kids love and making it much more desirable to them. I don’t think kids should be going around pissed but if parents would just let them have a drink every now and then, stop making such a big deal of it and it won’t be so enticing. Parents should be fined if they sprogs are caught drinking or have a fixed penalty like giving a minor caught drinking a couple of hours community service. Don’t make a big meal of the fucking thing now, don’t give them their little day in court at the expense of the tax payers, like penalty points when they are caught have a letter sent out telling them where and when the community service will be. Failure to turn up will mean more hours or a trip to the pen. No mess, no fuss.
Nonny
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:31 pm
just reshuffle your working hours so that you finish a few hours earlier so you can head to the pub/off license a few hours earlier.
that’d fuck the system and show them!
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:33 pm
Excellent point, Jeannie. I wrote this about that:
http://infantasia.blogspot.com/2008/03/alcohol-part-2.html
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:35 pm
Maggot – that’ll be a no to the Gary Glitter Link – but if maggot has photo’s who’s to say, anythings possible.
I did look up the Bay City Rollers pedo connection and it turns out the drummer was caught with kiddie porn a few years ago.
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
Think you might be telling porkies there, which would be illegal.
It would be illegal to tell lies?
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:41 pm
To a tribunal, twenty, It would be illegal to tell lies to a tribunal.
Anyway, what’s the story with the bay city rollers connection, dont lie, dont make us have to set up a tribunal.
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:41 pm
“It would be illegal to tell lies?”
The day they do that, there won’t be a politician left in the country.
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:45 pm
It would be illegal to tell lies?
Sorry, I meant illegal to discriminate against a person over 18 buying alcohol.
Nonny
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
Go look at the signs.
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
I will.
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:49 pm
Nonny, it is not illegal, the vendor can sell to any age group they fucking like as long as it is over 18. It helps them avoid confrontaion with borderline cases such as myself.
Twenty, did they refuse to serve you then?
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:51 pm
Anyway, what’s the story with the bay city rollers connection, dont lie, dont make us have to set up a tribunal.
Your public is waiting Twenty!
( This is Twenty’s Chapaquiddick! )
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
Nonny, it is not illegal, the vendor can sell to any age group they fucking like as long as it is over 18. It helps them avoid confrontaion with borderline cases such as myself.
ehhh no they can’t dear, the might and they might even get away with it but they can’t.
http://www.irlgov.ie/bills28/acts/2003/a3103.pdf
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:54 pm
They can and they do, Nonny. Suck it up.
PP – I’m not quite so youthful looking.
Bay City Rollers? Huh?
July 30th, 2008 @ 12:57 pm
Word from the man in the trade is that Nonny’s right – if you’ve a private club you can set your limit but not anywhere else. New laws came in around three years ago.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:01 pm
I just told you they can’t didn’t I? Read that document I cannot open the little fecker but I think it is section 14.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
No, no 15. Sorry.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
I’m not opening that. It’s probably a virus. I don’t want your computer AIDS, Nonny
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
Ahh sure not to worry, I’ll just eat my McDonalds and console myself. I hate it when I am right.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
Poor Nonny – she’s not a monster Twenty!
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
What do you get in Mc Donald’s Nonny?
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
It says fuck all like that at all Nonny so actually you are wrong. This is the deal. I own a shop or a pub, I can refuse to sell you anything. Before you argue that is the truth of the matter. I have the ultimate right to choose my customer. If however I put up a sign saying no homos or darkies, I can be done for discrimination, there is however no law to say that I cannot serve alcohol to over fifties only if I so desire.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
I dunno, you call someone ‘dear’ like that and it’s open season in my book.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
What do you get in Mc Donald’s Nonny?
Mad cow disease.
Joking! She already has that!
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
They close the offies at 18:00 each evening here in Sweden. 14:00 on Saturdays, and they’re closed all day on Sundays. Teenagers still get shit-faced though.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:12 pm
Has this become the Michael Mcdowell Fan club or what?
With your Cafe bar obsession and your cultured discussions about literature. Your environment doesn’t dictate your topic of conversation, or how you behave with a drink in front of you. If Off sales become illegal after 10pm, then they will not be done in the pub at closing time either.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:13 pm
I’m no fan of McDowell but that was a sensible idea. He tried to bring it through, Bertie and his Vintners cronies scuppered it.
Cunts.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:14 pm
Twenty, a line in the post just jumped out at me. ‘Fuck you and your fucking attitude to drinking’. You didn’t by any chance see a band called Godsuit in the early nineties, did you?
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:14 pm
Another part of this new legislation will mean that nightclubs must close at 1am on Sunday nights. So they won’t open and you won’t be able to go out on a Sunday evening.
ALL venues (even those operating with theatre licences) MUST stop serving alcohol at 2am and throw the punters out all by 2.30am. This is going to cause fucking mayhem…
Dermot Ahern – a stupid self righteous cunt with absolutely no idea of what goes on in the real world.
Since the nightclub all got wise about 18 months ago to theatre licences (you could stay open for up to an hour after your ‘theatrical act’ ended – hence 4am closing on Harcourt Street!) its been easier to get a taxi home, theres been less trouble on the streets, and the nightclubs are making more money (I work as a DJ so that keeps me safe for a while).
Lets not forget the fuck ups that happened with the last set of drinking laws that were passed. Cheap drink promotions were outlawed so that you couldn’t do happy hours. If however you gave the punters cheap gargle all night that was perfectly legal because it wasn’t a promotion.
Minors had to be off licenced premises by 9pm so that hotels had nightmares with functions like weddings. We also had the case where an under 18s disco got raided even though they weren’t serving alcohol (it was on a licenced premises after 9pm).
That okay said the government; we won’t strictly enforce that rule but we’ll just leave it on the statute books.
What? Its either a fucking law or it isn’t.
Still, a little birdie tells me that they may have overlooked casinos in this new legislation. So you might see the nightclubs get casinos licences and serve drink all night as well as giving the punters the chance to lose all their money.
Well done Dermot Aherne – as dumb as a sackful of Joey Deacons.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
You didn’t by any chance see a band called Godsuit in the early nineties, did you?
Nope. Who are they?
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:37 pm
“It says fuck all like that at all Nonny so actually you are wrong. I can refuse to sell you anything. Before you argue that is the truth of the matter. I have the ultimate right to choose my customer. If however I put up a sign saying no homos or darkies, I can be done for discrimination, there is however no law to say that I cannot serve alcohol to over fifties only if I so desire.”
Puerile Pish that is rubbish. The fact that you refere to customers as “homos or darkies” is all I need to know about you.
And Twenty “Joking! She already has that!”
You just proved the point I made Saturday.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
No I haven’t, I’m making a joke which you could make about anybody on here without having to make it obvious it was a joke. But you get a bit precious sometimes, hence the exclamation marks. Not that they made any difference, obviously.
And you have completely missed PP’s point. Read it again.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:42 pm
yep twenty and the author is amazing …
By the way you mentioned
“Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid ”
that you read a year ago …I bought that and Ive been reading it for a year and a half ..good call
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:44 pm
jesus I just checked ..you read that three year ago …
fuck time flies on this blog
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:45 pm
Oh and on the PP point I didn’t miss it he is talking rubbish, if either of you would take the time to read the act you would see that age discrimination plays a huge part. And no you could not put up a sign refusing to sell to over 50′s.
Also, “But you get a bit precious sometimes”
I find that quite disturbing.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:45 pm
Jesus, Nonny.
heh, Godsuit are no more, Twenty, they were the husband’s original band. But he wrote a song called ‘Fuck You and Your Fucking Attitude’, a classic in it’s own lunchtime. :)
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:46 pm
There’s something wrong. Well over 100 comments and we haven’t strayed off-topic yet.
We are indeed a nation obsessed with drink.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:47 pm
Mabe I heard it on DLR or whatever that station out that way was.
I find that quite disturbing.
Thus proving my point.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
Nonny – The law allows the publican to refuse to serve anyone they like, but they must have a valid reason for doing so. Previously they did’nt have to give a reason for refusal.
I dont know what the story about not serving people under 25 is – perhaps some 18 year old should be refused service in one of these places and then when they are refused they should call the garda in and then get in touch with the equality agency and persue a case. There might be a few bob in it for them.
B’Dum are you in the uder 21 age group – this could be a good chance for you to make a few bob
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
“Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid “
I still haven’t got around to it.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:54 pm
Nonny – The law allows the publican to refuse to serve anyone they like, but they must have a valid reason for doing so. Previously they didn’t have to give a reason for refusal.
Not having a valid reason would refer to the management’s discretion and that’s fine but putting a sign forbidding a group of people just because you want is not so fine.
“Jesus, Nonny.”
Jo what is that about?
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
And while we’re on at the publicans
What really pisses me off is the way the cunts in the city centre up their prices at 11 and sometimes again at 12.
I thought that the prices had to be displayed outside for perusal before entering the premises.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
Sorry that should be “Having a valid reason”
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
Testing testing!
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
Aren’t publicans obliged by law NOT to serve a person who is drunk. That would require them to be discriminating, a quality notably absent in your average licensed drug dealer.
July 30th, 2008 @ 1:59 pm
The fact that you refere to customers as “homos or darkies” is all I need to know about you.
As always Nonnie, you know fuck all, because what is running through your little mind is I am some rampant racist homophobe, how wrong you are. You can of course ask my last best man who is from Sierra Leone, or of course you could ask both the grooms at the civil partnership they invited me to attend in May.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Yes Conan but that would be a valid reason. Age discrimination is the issue I am refering to.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Oh god, that shite country-song ad for drinking in pubs has come on the radio courtesy of the Vintners Federation of Ireland. On the day of the new legislation. What a coincidence!
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:09 pm
I just had a Chicken pizza with lashings of chili garlic sauce followed by some Cadbury Jaffa cakes – now for a ciggie and a snooze! Thought I’d share that for those stuck at work.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:10 pm
Nonny – I agree with what you’re saying
What we need is an 18 year old who is willing to go into one of the over 21 establishments and call the gardai when they are refused.
After making a complaint to Gardai they can then go to the equality agency and have a case taken on their behalf. We need a volunteer of the 18-20 age group who is willing to to do this.
I once called the Gardai on an establishemnt that changed it’s prices at midnight. I wanted the place shut down cos the prices displayed outside were not what i was being charged inside. I was told in no uncertain terms by the gardai to “Fuck off”
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:11 pm
That is the most irritating add in the whole world
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:12 pm
maggot you…….worm!
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
Sounds great Maggot. What’s your cholesterol count?
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:17 pm
So anyway, who’s going to join me, and Jo, and Fillerup for pints tomorrow night in The Porterhouse in Temple Bar?
I just thought it was best to ask while you were all feeling thirsty, and, more importantly, while maggot’s asleep.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:19 pm
Hi
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
To the quack’s disgust, my Cholesterol count is surprisingly low ! I tell him it’s the ciggies.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
more importantly, while maggot’s asleep.
You swine MB – I’m sending Mrs Blowfly round to lay eggs on you.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
Lucky you. For anyone with High Cholesterol, Red Yeast Rice capsules are supposed to very good.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:26 pm
Twenty do you have a filter on for a certain political party with the initials F.F.?
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
Personally I’m all in favour of listening to politicians, journalists and doctors on the subject of binge drinking. After all, haven’t they done a great job in cleaning up their own professions the fuckers.
Anyone ever been to a teetotal political event? Anyone ever seen a responsible drinker journalist?
Anyone ever seen medical students on a night out? The only ones not pissed are the ones with the keys to the drugs cabinet. Lucky cunts.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:29 pm
Damn you maggot!
I fell straight into your trap.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:30 pm
Basically what we’re now seeing all over the western world is a new phase of right wing paternalism. Cradle to the grave lectures from the sort of cunts who have no intention of adhering to the laws they promulgate. They can climb up my arse and award themselves the Legion d’Honneur when they get there the cheap little cunts.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
Do you know what’s good for cholesterol? Red wine. Just make sure you remember to buy it before 10pm.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:35 pm
Hey Batty-bwoy! Stop cruisin’ on dis blawg!
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:38 pm
do ya know what Monkey I just might drop in
What time are you meeting up.
I’m assuming I’ll recognise you by the dodgy looking 70′s tache and the green hat
I’m guessing that Jo will be wearing leggins
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:38 pm
Jo will be the one with bosoms Dessie.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Monkey balls wrote;
‘Hey Batty-bwoy! Stop cruisin’ on dis blawg!’
If you don’t stop trying to impress people with your knowledge of Los Angeles street slang I’ll start on you.
I’d say you are probably alright most of the time from what I’ve seen so far but I’m still a bit suspicious- and ready to Mullingar at the drop of a baseball cap.
How did the Los Angeles Bollickses do on the weekend anyway? Did they bear the New York Hookers?
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
Fuck you Maggot, I have a fair pair myself
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:43 pm
Maggot- I’m guessing that there may be more then 1 set of bosoms in that particular boozer. More like 100′s – Why else do you think MB picked the venue
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:44 pm
Batty, which part of Jamaica do they call Los Angeles these days?
Calm down, or I’ll be tempted to give you one meself.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:47 pm
Dessie, I didn’t pick the venue or the date. So far, I don’t think anybody mentioned a time yet.
You pick a time, I’ll be there.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
MB – I dont know yet – I think i’ll be working late – Could be 8 or 9 before I get there.
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
Holemaster – not FF, but for the gambling emporia. That’s a word used in spam comments a lot so they get put in a queue
July 30th, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
Gotcha. I thought FF were gone all Stazi on you.
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:00 pm
I wish I could do that with people talking.
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:03 pm
It looks like one for the publicans all right. But it will be the big town and city bars that benefit. The Irish peasant will always blame the object for his own personal (as he sees it ‘moral’) failure and so every Irish solution to drink and drugs problems will be incorrect.
Are you joking about Superquinn? I think you could have a legal case against them there maybe? Is the law not 18. That’s like refusing to sell you rubbers just cos you are blond.
Cafe Bars won’t work (not least because of wealthy ‘city’ publican clientelism you mention) but because the fucking weather is shit. The Cafe Bar is a dream because it is situated in countries were we go on holiday, full of cool uninsane non-Irish people, but why not give it a go. At the moment your choice (in Dublin anyway) is:
1.Cunt Bar (Ron Black etc.)
2.Nice Bar jammed to capacity (long hall, etc.)
3.Scumbag Vomit Factory (BFTB, Firehouse, etc.)
So I am willing to attempt to create our own version of Cafe Bars in the face of this apocalyptic shit.
There are good bars and bad ones, ones that are part of our heritage and ones that should be gutted and changed into massive public toilets in order that they serve the public interest better, the ones that serve massive green pints of crap to obese people. Support your local bar and set fire to the Morrison on your way home.
Knackers will stop buying booze when they start being made redundant any day now.
By the way, Germany’s supreme court ruled that:
“Smoking will now be allowed in one-room bars and clubs smaller than 75 sq m (807 sq ft), where no food is served.”
So that can be overturned…
One final point: I can buy crack in my local at 5 in the morning and I have yet to kill anyone.
Q.E.D.
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
The Cafe Bar is a dream because it is situated in countries were we go on holiday, full of cool uninsane non-Irish people
hehe and Ireland generally has shit coffee.
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:18 pm
Nonny:Everyone here over the age of 20 has had problems with getting served at some point,shouting age discrimination just makes you (not you personally but the person not being served)look like a cunt..
My advice is :Get a fucking helmet and ride the storm..
Im sure you’ll come back with some witty reposte…
Personally the offlicence thing wont bother me too much,just get to the place early..
the Uniform closing times for clubs though is worrying though.. alot of frustrated neatherthals spilling out of Copperface Jacks onto the streets at the same time all the pillheads come out of tri-pod..there will be blood..(and hopefully some good cc footage for youtube)
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:18 pm
Insomnia should be renamed ‘Diarrhoea’
False advertising.
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
NEANDERTHALS -sorry hadicap hands today
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
..er..handicap hands
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
I’m a bit concerned that no one will take me seriously so I’ll impress the lot of you with a combination of inside knowledge of the world of international alcohol policy.
Basically the World Health Organisation (who are as fucking annoying as the title would suggest) are in intellectual hock to a load of neo-prohibitionists with a religious agenda. The lead rat is a ‘special advisor’ to the WHO called Dr Robin Room who strangely enough used to head up a Swedish temperance-driven muppet organisation called SORAD. SORAD are a group that runs around the world praising the Swedish alcoohol monopoly and a ban on advertising as a great system. Anyone who lives in Sweden will tell you they talk bollocks.
They claim that no advertising and a government retail monopoly has resulted in a lowering of alcohol consumption levels there. This is bollocks, because the official Swedish figures only reports sales through government shops. This does not take into account the enormous amount of unofficial alcohol being brought across the Oresund bridge from Denmark and sold to anyone with a fiver.
Dr Room, special advisor, sits in WHO meetings saying that the Swedish system is great even though he knows damn well he is talking balls.
But he likes his position as saviour of the world so much he has now left SORAD and gone to Australia where he is busying pedalling lies there.
I look forward to seeing him on the Late Late Show refusing to recognise reality for the benefit of Irish viewers.
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
Excellent
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
One final point: I can buy crack in my local at 5 in the morning and I have yet to kill anyone.
That’s because you’re too whacked. If it were PCP now, that’d be a different thing.
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
The swedes seem to have a mad policy towards drinking and drunkeness all right
I’ve been told being intoxicated in Swedan can be grounds for commital to a mental institution. The rationale behind this is that anyone who can get into a drunken state is insane, should be locked up and only released after assessment by a psyciatrist the following Monday or Tuesday
Can you imagine that system here – the working week would be Wednesday to Friaday
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
Unfortunately the Irish Government like many another government around the world is committed to putting in place international health measures as agreed at the World Health Organisation.
The idea that prohibitionists might be pushing an agenda through this route into national legal systems has not occurred to the sort of Jackie Really-Hays who inhabit our policy sphere (isn’t ‘policy sphere’ great? Sounds dirty but legal. A bit like Britney Spears before the crucifixion).
Remember, the WHO were the crazed fucktards who decided to ban not just smoking at their head quarters in Geneva but stated they would no longer employ smokers. After the press conference (given by a chain-smoker, by the way) they all got in their official cars that run on oxygen and fucked off to their chalets in the mountains to grease their favourite orphans for the weekend.
And now you should be beginning to suspect where the mysterious term ‘second-hand drinking’ comes from. If you haven’t heard it yet you will. From the most gullible of our politicans with a yen for a headline. Any fucking day now.
July 30th, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
’second-hand drinking’
Please tell all -
July 30th, 2008 @ 4:11 pm
‘Second hand drinking’ is the term used by those soldiers of god at the WHO who went after the tobacco industry.
‘Second hand smoking’ worked so well for them in that debate some intellectual dwarf suggested that they use the term ‘second hand drinking’ in the alcohol debate to describe all the poor little snivelling chislers and the wives with black eyes that alcohol causes.
They say nothing about the violent spendthrift bastards who beat their wives and let their children go short- its all down to the demon bottle.
I suppose they never heard the answer Professor Sir Richard Doll (the man who actually discovered the link between cancer and smoking)gave to a journalist when asked about the link between second-hand smoke and cancer- the Nobel prizewinner stated clearly ‘its too small to measure’. But working on the same gorgeous logic that saw a medical ‘study’ claim in Dublin last year that bar staff were now 80% healthier than before the smoking ban (what did they do as a control in this study? Keep 80 Rons in a big oxygen bubble in Ballyfermot?) ‘they’ have started using ‘second hand drinking’ as a term.
I know. I want to run them over with a Honda 50 with bull-bars on the front too. I wouldn’t use a 4×4- they give everyone cancer of the face as everyone knows.
July 30th, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
Hey Twenty- I just wrote a whole speil on the antics of the alcohol prohibitionists and I wrote it really fast and didn’t shag up my verbs. That’s brilliant because I am now offically a better writer than you. Not as good looking though I’m prepared to admit.
July 30th, 2008 @ 4:29 pm
I’m going to shut up in a second but here’s a useful guide when it comes to public policy debates on health issues;
If you hear anyone using the old ‘won’t somebody please consider the children’ line you are listening to a fraud.
No one gives a shite about kids other than their own. And its hard enough to learn to give a shite about your own.
July 30th, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
Nonny said “I’ll just eat my McDonalds and console myself”
Thought you were a veggie?
July 30th, 2008 @ 5:12 pm
I am Shebah. Salty fries, apple pie covered in chocolate sunday and a chocolate milkshake would be my thing. However today, along with that I also had a toffee chrisp donnut.
July 30th, 2008 @ 6:07 pm
“I am Shebah. Salty fries, apple pie covered in chocolate sunday and a chocolate milkshake would be my thing. However today, along with that I also had a toffee chrisp donnut.”
Gag.
July 31st, 2008 @ 12:01 am
If you really think that shifting the closing time for purchase of alcohol to bring to your own home will have *any* effect upon our culture of binge drinking, you’re obviously so high on lattes and bagels that the outside world no longer provokes sane reactions in yourself.
I’d propose counter examples of “normal” countries where licencing is so lax that
- people can buy alcohol 24 hours a day
- the world does not end
but I feel the irony would be somewhat lost on the recipients.
Of course we have a serious problem with our drinking culture, but do you really have any belief that licencing laws can affect it in a positive manner?
July 31st, 2008 @ 1:56 am
Desigee, the guards cant under any circumstances shut down a pub. The only man who can do that is the fire chief! And calling the guards to a civil dispute is a waste of time as they have no jurisdiction. The Guards can of course object to the renewal of your liqour license, so better not to piss them off!! (of course they can close it down if it is open illegally, ie without license or after hours)
August 2nd, 2008 @ 10:51 pm
Best ride I ever had was with a girl from Iceland (the country not the fucking shop).
I’m forty fucking two on Monday and these fuckers are saying that I can’t buy a bottle of wine/whiskey/whatever after 10:00pm ?
what the fuck is wrong with this fucking place?
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