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		<title>By: Dan Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://twentymajor.net/2008/07/26/zzzzz-its-boring/#comment-44579</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect one of the reasons is that people have learned that blogging isn&#039;t quite the open plan all equal access public space they thought it was. It&#039;s more like a public square where some of long standing have acquired mega phones and stand on tall plinths while newbies are for the most part just saying their piece on the sidelines. 

If the newbie say something that finds favour with the great and the good they&#039;re hailed, praised and linked to. If on the other hand the noob draws on their bad side the megaphone and plinth are used it to drown them out, moderate out their comments on the qt etc. If the newbie doesn&#039;t disappear from the square the exalted can always just make up stories about how they&#039;re being stalked, harassed and wait for their cheerleaders to turn into a lynch mob. It&#039;s the web 2.0 way!

If the Irish blogging scene is a community, then it&#039;s that town in Footloose where everyone stays on the right side of John Lithgow&#039;s preacher character. And I&#039;m no Kevin Bacon, not even a bad Chris Penn on my good days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect one of the reasons is that people have learned that blogging isn&#8217;t quite the open plan all equal access public space they thought it was. It&#8217;s more like a public square where some of long standing have acquired mega phones and stand on tall plinths while newbies are for the most part just saying their piece on the sidelines. </p>
<p>If the newbie say something that finds favour with the great and the good they&#8217;re hailed, praised and linked to. If on the other hand the noob draws on their bad side the megaphone and plinth are used it to drown them out, moderate out their comments on the qt etc. If the newbie doesn&#8217;t disappear from the square the exalted can always just make up stories about how they&#8217;re being stalked, harassed and wait for their cheerleaders to turn into a lynch mob. It&#8217;s the web 2.0 way!</p>
<p>If the Irish blogging scene is a community, then it&#8217;s that town in Footloose where everyone stays on the right side of John Lithgow&#8217;s preacher character. And I&#8217;m no Kevin Bacon, not even a bad Chris Penn on my good days.</p>
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		<title>By: Batty Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://twentymajor.net/2008/07/26/zzzzz-its-boring/#comment-44483</link>
		<dc:creator>Batty Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I don&#039;t have to give girls called &#039;Jo&#039; an E but I live in Ibiza now and its the accepted way to get confusing sex on this island. They aren&#039;t as interested in perfect baby lettuces for some reason. I&#039;ll never understand the fuckers. Women, that is- not lettuces. I know all about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I don&#8217;t have to give girls called &#8216;Jo&#8217; an E but I live in Ibiza now and its the accepted way to get confusing sex on this island. They aren&#8217;t as interested in perfect baby lettuces for some reason. I&#8217;ll never understand the fuckers. Women, that is- not lettuces. I know all about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Batty Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://twentymajor.net/2008/07/26/zzzzz-its-boring/#comment-44476</link>
		<dc:creator>Batty Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Joe cut the legs off the hens they wound&#039;t be able to go after the lettuces. And if they use their beaks to drag themselves veg-ward you could call some friends round and have bets to see which one wins. Thats the way I sorted my lot and now I have a house on Ibiza and all the baby lettuces I can eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Joe cut the legs off the hens they wound&#8217;t be able to go after the lettuces. And if they use their beaks to drag themselves veg-ward you could call some friends round and have bets to see which one wins. Thats the way I sorted my lot and now I have a house on Ibiza and all the baby lettuces I can eat.</p>
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		<title>By: Twenty Major</title>
		<link>http://twentymajor.net/2008/07/26/zzzzz-its-boring/#comment-44412</link>
		<dc:creator>Twenty Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh, there&#039;s a blast from the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh, there&#8217;s a blast from the past.</p>
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		<title>By: stevelknievel</title>
		<link>http://twentymajor.net/2008/07/26/zzzzz-its-boring/#comment-44402</link>
		<dc:creator>stevelknievel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bring back Dubloon, that&#039;s what I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bring back Dubloon, that&#8217;s what I say.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Weckler</title>
		<link>http://twentymajor.net/2008/07/26/zzzzz-its-boring/#comment-44384</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Weckler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damien, you say:

Wouldn’t you love to see a political reporter saying “well what Fianna Fáil aren’t telling you in this story is that …” or “of course this is the same Minister that.”

In fairness, that&#039;s what the likes of Fionnan Sheehan (pol editor of the Indo) does at least once or twice a week -- often in front page news stories (I don&#039;t have the links but check it out). Any further editorialising and he&#039;d be accused of going tabloid (he often is, anyway). 

Ultimately, though, being a columnist can be easy: manufacturing opinion is definitely easy. Finding something out is hard and takes much more skill. It often takes gut-turning plamas, revolting sycophancy or cold cruelty. We had a guy a couple of years ago who was our crime reporter and the lengths he used to go to were truly incredible. But he got new information and found things out. And it was his information which columnists then relied on to sit back over a cappucino and opine upon. (Of course, there&#039;s definitely a place for that.)

Okay, I take your point on the availability of opinion diversity on Irish blogs. They&#039;re just way harder to find and seem to pop up far more randomly in disparate places i.e. not reliably in one place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damien, you say:</p>
<p>Wouldn’t you love to see a political reporter saying “well what Fianna Fáil aren’t telling you in this story is that …” or “of course this is the same Minister that.”</p>
<p>In fairness, that&#8217;s what the likes of Fionnan Sheehan (pol editor of the Indo) does at least once or twice a week &#8212; often in front page news stories (I don&#8217;t have the links but check it out). Any further editorialising and he&#8217;d be accused of going tabloid (he often is, anyway). </p>
<p>Ultimately, though, being a columnist can be easy: manufacturing opinion is definitely easy. Finding something out is hard and takes much more skill. It often takes gut-turning plamas, revolting sycophancy or cold cruelty. We had a guy a couple of years ago who was our crime reporter and the lengths he used to go to were truly incredible. But he got new information and found things out. And it was his information which columnists then relied on to sit back over a cappucino and opine upon. (Of course, there&#8217;s definitely a place for that.)</p>
<p>Okay, I take your point on the availability of opinion diversity on Irish blogs. They&#8217;re just way harder to find and seem to pop up far more randomly in disparate places i.e. not reliably in one place.</p>
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		<title>By: NiallOK&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I agree with Twenty</title>
		<link>http://twentymajor.net/2008/07/26/zzzzz-its-boring/#comment-44359</link>
		<dc:creator>NiallOK&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I agree with Twenty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thanks for visiting!I find myself in the all too familiar territory of agreeing entirely with something Twenty Major has said&#8230; the Irish blogging scene does feel a little dead at the moment. It&#8217;s like we&#8217;re [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thanks for visiting!I find myself in the all too familiar territory of agreeing entirely with something Twenty Major has said&#8230; the Irish blogging scene does feel a little dead at the moment. It&#8217;s like we&#8217;re [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JC Skinner</title>
		<link>http://twentymajor.net/2008/07/26/zzzzz-its-boring/#comment-44355</link>
		<dc:creator>JC Skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Signs up for &#039;How to rant better than Kevin Myers&#039; evening class down at Ringsend VEC*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Signs up for &#8216;How to rant better than Kevin Myers&#8217; evening class down at Ringsend VEC*</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley</title>
		<link>http://twentymajor.net/2008/07/26/zzzzz-its-boring/#comment-44340</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Mulley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adrian 

But yeah, that&#039;s for columinsts not journalists who as I said are just reporting on matters and have had all their personality beaten or edited out. There&#039;s space for pure &quot;just the facts, none of the soul&quot; but I do think that there should be more columnists. Way way more. Wouldn&#039;t you love to see a political reporter saying &quot;well what Fianna Fáil aren&#039;t telling you in this story is that ...&quot; or &quot;of course this is the same Minister that.&quot;

You&#039;ll get that in blogs.

For Myers, how about &lt;a href=&quot;http://skinflicks.blogspot.com/2008/07/abortion-compromise.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JC Skinner on Abortion?&lt;/a&gt; Not as talented as Myers but representative of the opinion of many. And unlike Myers he engaged in the comments with people too.

There are more extreme views of Myers too like Hibernia Girl and the Irish Savant or whatever he&#039;s called. 

Do searches for various topics that a newspaper covers and you&#039;ll probably find independent thoughts on them in a search on IrishBlogs.ie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adrian </p>
<p>But yeah, that&#8217;s for columinsts not journalists who as I said are just reporting on matters and have had all their personality beaten or edited out. There&#8217;s space for pure &#8220;just the facts, none of the soul&#8221; but I do think that there should be more columnists. Way way more. Wouldn&#8217;t you love to see a political reporter saying &#8220;well what Fianna Fáil aren&#8217;t telling you in this story is that &#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;of course this is the same Minister that.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll get that in blogs.</p>
<p>For Myers, how about <a href="http://skinflicks.blogspot.com/2008/07/abortion-compromise.html" rel="nofollow">JC Skinner on Abortion?</a> Not as talented as Myers but representative of the opinion of many. And unlike Myers he engaged in the comments with people too.</p>
<p>There are more extreme views of Myers too like Hibernia Girl and the Irish Savant or whatever he&#8217;s called. </p>
<p>Do searches for various topics that a newspaper covers and you&#8217;ll probably find independent thoughts on them in a search on IrishBlogs.ie</p>
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		<title>By: mj &#187; Blog Archive &#187; H is for ipocrisy</title>
		<link>http://twentymajor.net/2008/07/26/zzzzz-its-boring/#comment-44326</link>
		<dc:creator>mj &#187; Blog Archive &#187; H is for ipocrisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have to ask though - what is TechWire (and by extension, Damien Mulley and TwentyMajor) expecting from [...]</description>
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