Looks like it’s a NO
Posted in Blog by Twenty Major on June 13th, 2008
It appears that the Lisbon Treaty has been rejected by the people of Ireland.
What I think is really interesting is the fact a NO has won the day despite the lunatics that aligned themselves with that side of things. Sinn Fein - pack of cunts. As pointed out here, their involvement was more likely to make people vote YES than NO. The majority of people would hold no truck with the Shinners or the scaremongerers or right wing Catholic headcases.
It has been a complete failure on the part of the government and the main political parties to convince people that we should have voted YES for the Lisbon Treaty. That these extremists, which is what some of them are, have ended up on the winning side really highlights that.
So what now? Are we going to get raped by Brussels or what?
Prepare yourself for a votefest. Twenty
You have had a precedent set on an earlier occasion, keep voting ’til you get it right!
Grimy
June 13th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
PS - First !!!!!!!
June 13th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
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It has been a complete failure on the part of the government and the main political parties to convince people that we should have voted YES for the Lisbon Treaty. That these extremists, which is what some of them are, have ended up on the winning side really highlights that.
Now watch the government jump up and admit that.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
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did they not say that it couldn’t go ahead if we didn’t ratify it?thats not what i’m hearing on the booming doommonger music on radio 1 at the minute.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
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Have you seen the comments on the RTE / Lisbon site?
http://tinyurl.com/6r4w96
Looks like the rest of Europe is very happy with the result.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
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Fucking brilliant.
Sometimes democracy doesn’t suck quite so much.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
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Can’t wait to see Cowen on the news!
June 13th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
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and there was me looking forward to the prozzie,cocaine and abortion bonanza if the liars in ff got there way.maybe in the next round……
June 13th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
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Blame Fianna Fail and that Offaly cunt who replaced that Drumcondra cunt.
We the Irish are now seen as the biggest pack of Pikies in Europe. Good to rattle cages now and then though…
June 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
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People who voted no are fucking idiots.
‘People didn’t understand it’. Well make it your fucking business to find out then you clueless cunts.
People should have the fucking vote taken off them.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
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hey dealga,why don’t you take cowens cock out of your mouth and realise that we just spoke for a majority of europe who had no say.if 450 million people voted do you honestly think it would have went to the yes side?my arse.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
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dealga, why don’t you get a baseball bat and go around smashing their heads in? How dare they not understand the thing you like to pretend made perfect sense to you?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
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Who the fuck knows? The outcome was probably always going to be the same, it’s just if we end up in the shit this time we have ourselves to blame rather than the government.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
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And if all Europe had ended up in the shit, they won’t have us to blame.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
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The rest of Europe are delighted. The people have spoken.
Just shows you how unrepresentative our government is, they did not reflect the wishes of the people AT ALL.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
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“People who voted no are fucking idiots.”
I’m not an idiot.
Are you a Fianna Fail arse licker?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
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It is a pity that the Yes people couldn’t get their point across better, but its always easier to run a No campaign against something like this.
Its hard to sex up and make interesting a treaty designed to help streamline political affairs, yet its easy to run a campaign warning against the dangers of vague or not-fully-explained ideas.
But at the same time, we shouldn’t have to be spoon fed. I have a slight issue with people who voted No because they weren’t told what it was. Go out and find out for yourself if no one will tell you.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
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Surely it’s just as easy to explain why it’s good.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
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We the Irish are now seen as the biggest pack of Pikies in Europe.
No fucking change there.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
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My father was just ranting about how it shows sinn fein have taken over the country.
Sinn Fein are taking credit for it too.
Hilarious.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
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“I have studied EU law and think that any veto that the Irish Government would have regarding tax harmonisation would not be exercised and the government would roll in behind the bigger member states and allow tax harmonisation which would cost the country jobs in all sectors, including”
a cleverer man than me wrote this.but this was the main reason i voted no.i just thought that cowen would bend over and do whatever it took to stay in the cosy cartel.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
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So what now?
Germany will invade Poland again amd Brian will blame you Twenty.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
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there will be dancing in the streets of gelsenkherken tonight, and no doubt a few terrorist fist-jabs in Cavan…
June 13th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
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Considering the fuckwit that negotiated the treaty on our behalf is in the witness box at Mahon telling us that all the sterling he has came from winning on the horses and casual exchanges of bundles of banknotes with (now dead) businessmen, its no wonder it was voted down.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
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The consequences of this No vote are indeed far reaching.
One of the most important facts that a majority of people have overlooked, or aren’t even aware about is that, I actually don’t give a feck. They are not going to scrape Ireland off the map of wurope are they?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
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There is intelligence about the Irish voter which was demonstrated here. It’s arrogant to ask that a 280 page document be decided by a yes or no.
Nobody won here and anybody masquerading as if they did win is bogus and devoid of credibility.
If you want an outcome, it was a victory for democracy.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
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They gave us enough EU-rope.
We hung ourselves.
A great day for Ireland!
June 13th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
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No we didn’t, we’re fucking heros man!
June 13th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
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That’s the most ridiculous post you’ve ever put up Twenty. Fucknig hell mate, I think the no vote just shows that Irish people will make decisions that they want to. A majority of Europeans would vote no if given the chance. Got nothing to do with Sinn Fein.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
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Twenty,
You’re always banging on about rape, gnu rape, bear rape, etc now euro rape. Do you think you’ve a bit of an unhealthy obsession about being raped and committing rape!
June 13th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
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I see the press are whinging. At least we got a chance to have our say. Europe ignored the wishes of the majority of French and Dutch voters. I wonder how long it’s going to take for them to try again.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
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Those Sinn Fein shits are the hardest part. I wished Mary Lou would disappear up her own hole.
That they will now pitch this as some sort of success for themselves will grate like a badgers cunt.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
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I reckon Sinn Féin actually damaged the NO vote. More people would be inclined to vote against the Shinners than with them.
This was a victory for Europeans, most of whom never got a chance to have their say…
…and defeat for all the sheep who like having their minds made up for them.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
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“I wished Mary Lou would disappear up her own hole.”
She did and came back out, hence the tan.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
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The REALLY bad thing about all this is that the whole world is going to see what Brian Cowen looks like.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
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That’s the most ridiculous post you’ve ever put up Twenty. Fucknig hell mate, I think the no vote just shows that Irish people will make decisions that they want to. A majority of Europeans would vote no if given the chance. Got nothing to do with Sinn Fein.
That’s what I was saying.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
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heh
June 13th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
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http://shadowsatsunset.blogspot.com/2008/06/oh-no.html
June 13th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
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Was it? Oh right. Sorry about that.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
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Maybe it wasn’t clear. I was just saying Sinn Fein and other loons being on the NO side didn’t stop people voting NO.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
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Irish Election » Looks like it?s a NO » Twenty Major says:
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June 13th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
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Lazlo if the bloke you’re quoting is cleverer than you then you’re some fucking idiot. And did the majority of Europe include you in some sort of mass email to tell you what they’d do, yeah?
All this shite about the French and Dutch. They voted ‘no’ to the constitution to keep the Turks out, you clueless fuckers.
Going on about Cowen and Fianna Fail just shows you’re in the same boat of parochial cunts that votes the likes of Lowry and Flynn in every time. It’s got nothing to do with FF. The ironing is delicious.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
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They’ll probably fuck us out of the Ryder Cup for this.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
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This comment is on RTE’s Lisbon comment site, from Andrew in Wicklow:
“A sad vote by a selfish people who took as much as they could from Europe. It is also a sad statement on Irish democracy that half the country didn’t even get off the couch to vote. Have they no eyes to see the benefits which the European Union has brought to this country since 1972?”
If the EU want to know why the Irish voted No, it was because of stuff like that. Too many people told us to remember everything the EU has done for us - we got lots of money, so vote yes. To follow this reason to its logical conclusion, if the EU wanted to declare war on New Zealand tomorrow, we’d have to support it, because, remember, we got lots of money.
It’s talking down to us in the worst possible way. They never appreciated that people could be Pro-Europe and still vote no.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
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looks like the big countries will have to go back to the old way of building their empires.lets hope its the french that invades us this time,even the spanish wouldn’t be too bad.anyone else got a preference
June 13th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
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Guy I work with reckons its been a bad 24 hours for the Germans - beaten in the football, & now their plan to take over Europe by more subtle ways than in 1914 & 1939 has been (temporarily) scuppered.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
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Cool new look on your website, MB.
Comments still don’t work though, which is why I’ve to praise you via a third party.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
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I think that we should build a wall around Dun Laoghaire Rathdown and fly supplies in. Let’s call it “the Pale II”
June 13th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
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When deciding whether or not to concede large chunks of a nation’s sovereignity, the vote should go to the people, no question. Ireland’s lucky its constitution allows for that. Pity all the poor sods all over Europe whose politicians did it for them.
Sniffly’s right - this isn’t a matter of winning or losing. The fact that Ireland reserves the right to vote on this stuff speaks of a superior system than those of its European neighbours.
The flaw was the document itself. The content was too broad making votes for are against so non-specific that noone really can say what about the treaty didn’t “take” in Ireland. Brussels are already working on that mind you.
Good democracy depends on an informed, engaged electorate. In this case, the information provided was too muc for a single yes/no vote, and in such dense, bureaucratic language that noone could understand it. It’s a pity the turnout wasn’t bigger either. If I was French or Swedish or whatever I’d be less upset at the decision - although perhaps they’d agree - and more upset that on something that affects nearly 500 million of people, less than 50% of the only eligible citizen-voters in the whole EU showed up.
Apathy is all over Western democracies - what’s the matter with us? Democracy’s not perfect but it’s better than the alternatives.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
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It wasn’t EU money you got, it was taxpayers money from the poor fuckers in other parts of Europe who didn’t even get a vote…… not that we begrudge you the money after all there’s no one quite as proficient at pissing it up the wall.
Having said that, thank you Irish voters…. thank you
June 13th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
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So, anyone else want to bet on when we’re going to have a second referendum on this?
“Nice 2″ anyone?
June 13th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
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That’s the point though Catholic - I thought a no vote would force them to clarify, run a better campaign - but wih Nice it was easy to ammend points about neutrality for Ireland.
This is an attempt to iron out a compromise that will fit 27 countries into a plan initially envisaged for 15. It’s not possible to tidy it up any further. It doesn’t get any better or more comprehensible than this.
So the no vote means that enormous amounts of time and money have been wasted.
This was a friend’s outline of it - I’ll be intersested to see if anyone counters it.
She thinks the only way forward from a no vote was for Ireland to leave the EU.
June 13th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
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Jo, if we left the EU… Just a minor question.
Do you reckon our currency change from the Euro?
June 13th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
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Andrew from Wicklow is a cunt and I will find him on this weekend and tell him so
June 13th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
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Interesting thought - if Ireland and the UK left the EU it would be natural for the two to merge, no ?
June 13th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
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oh for fuck sake. I thought this would be one place where sanity might rule. Well done No voters. Well what did you do you smug fucks? You dont know, do you.
Great work!
June 13th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
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it’s all a bit overdramatic isn’t it.
June 13th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
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Maggot. Didn’t work the last time as I recall.
June 13th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
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Worked bloody well Alan. Would you like to return to a feudal gaelic culture with slavery ?
June 13th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
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Yes!
June 13th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
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But only if I have the slaves. Muscular, red haired ones, with tattoos.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
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Sinn Fein, Youth Defence, far right and left lunitics,Rupert Murdock and that cunt from Tuam with his hidden adgenda. People who vote have a responsabilty to find out what they are voting on. People who voted no either because they did not understand it or as some kind of unrelated protest vote are ,as comment 10 said, idiots. its sad that we have become so cynical that we are ready to believe this shower with their half truths and lies, over practally all our elected representives and many respected journilists,econimists,constiteinal lawyers etc..There is probably going to be repercussions on this that were all going to have to live with.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
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fuck sakes my spelling/grammer/punication is dreadfull,just read over that and it sound a bit pious,sorry but
just a bit annoyed because im meeting no voters all day and still havent heard a sound reason for their choice.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
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Yep, I voted yes because I had that conversation with someone.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
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OK Wax, I’ll give it a go;
I voted NO because the language used in the treaty was too ambiguous in too many areas. It was farcical listening to our ‘leaders’ telling us what they wanted us to believe it meant, when on a lot of occassions they were forced to admit they hadn’t even read it themselves.
But most of all, my reason for voting NO was because the potential damage to the country was smaller, and more importantly, reversible. It can be worked on and fixed, despite Biffo’s claim of ‘No plan B’.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
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Maybe the voters are sick and tired of the gangster political crowd telling them blatent lies and feathering their own nests. Well done Irish voyers.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
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Maybe voters don’t want the decisions of their country left solely in the hands of euroweenies in Brussels?
June 13th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
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Lord Elpus - the other side of the coin - Surely this No vote strengthens the Status Quo of Ireland’s (rotten)local politics ?
June 13th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
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What are we like? Everytime we get a bit of success, we carp and moan about the very thing that brought about the success. In ths case the EU.
Of course this time we did more that just moan we told them to fuck off.
But atleast we have the likes of Patricia Mc Kenna and the Shinners to show us the way. So we’re grand then.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
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you’r some stoner mb
June 13th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
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JR, it wasn’t a vote for a thank you card
June 13th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
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we have the likes of Patricia Mc Kenna and the Shinners to show us the way
That’s a ridiculous thing to say. The Shinners are as inconsequential today as they were yesterday, and will be tomorrow.
Yes, it’s disturbing that they were right for once, when the government and opposition were wrong.
And we didn’t tell the EU to fuck off. We told them that we weren’t here to bend over and be fucked by them.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
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those who voted the way they were told to presume the same of everyone elso.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
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Monkey Balls - what was the treaty about ? Taking power away from local politicians - and what has happened ? The people moaning about what cunts FF are have left power in FF hands.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
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you’r some stoner mb
Bloody right I am. I’m also a speller, with a knack for punctuation.
Oh, and I’m a bit of a pisshead too.
-But I still reckon I understood the Treaty better than our so-called ‘leaders’.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
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maggot, those ‘local politicians’ were elected. The idea of taking power away from them and giving it to some faceless beuraucrat who has never even stepped foot in the country is just plain stupid.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
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maggot, those ‘local politicians’ were elected.
Elected cunts and crooks. Ahern, Harney and Haughey, quality choices all! The faceless bureaucrat could hardly be much worse, could he ?
Those criticising local politics cannot have it both ways.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
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maggot, i thought that this wasn’t about handing over direct power?
June 13th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
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SG - the objection was to diminution of sovereignty - i.e taking power away from Cunts like Sinn Féin TDs CaoimhghÃn Ó Caoláin, Martin Ferris, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Arthur Morgan and Seán Crowe.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
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power? hardly
June 13th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
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That is what sovereignty is about SG
June 13th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
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mm
June 14th, 2008 at 12:04 am
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I see your point, maggot, but even the shittiest politician (and a big hello to our collection of shitheads here) are better than some unelected
June 14th, 2008 at 12:07 am
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Sinn Féin have no power to take away from them.
FÃanna Fail have power, and it can be taken away.
An unelected beuraucrat in Brussels could potentially wreak havoc on our nation, and we wouldn’t even know who to blame.
Forget about Sinn Féin. No right-minded person gives a fuck about them. It’s not a victory for them, but for common sense.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:07 am
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…and democracy!
June 14th, 2008 at 12:08 am
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Sorry, hit some button there that sent sent my post before I was finished, but actually it’s fairly OK as it is.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am
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It’s beautiful Tinman18!
The short ones are always th
June 14th, 2008 at 12:13 am
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i agr
June 14th, 2008 at 12:15 am
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That’s what I wa
June 14th, 2008 at 12:19 am
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exac
June 14th, 2008 at 12:23 am
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An unelected beuraucrat in Brussels could potentially wreak havoc on our nation, and we wouldn’t even know who to blame.
That’s bollix - it’s the EU and it’s unelected bureacrats that has done Ireland so proud.
I merely used SF to give more examples of what fine “known Faces” have been elected.
Taking power out of the hands of elected cunts in Ireland - both sides of the border - no bad thing.
But again - if folks trust these elected FF politicians why didn’t they take their advice and vote yes ?
You say that FF could be chucked out ? Fuck me, even after Haughey and Ahern, they are still in power.
This looks to me like Irish Xenophobia and a vote against Johnny Dago. And I reckon in te future if things get tough Ieland won’t be able to expect the same east treatment from the EU.
I’m glad you see what I’m getting at Tinman - but I don’t think being elected means a person is trustworthy - after all Adolf was elected.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:24 am
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“but I don’t think being elected means a person is trustworthy - after all Adolf was elected.”
Yep, and all he wanted was total control over every european country and their people too.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:29 am
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Yep, and all he wanted was total control over every european country and their people too.
Incorrect. The EU wants far less !
But at the end of the day Ireland has done amazingly well under the EU’s unelected bureaucrats.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:36 am
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Fair enough mb, i know im not an english teacher but thats hardly relevent is it? th e st0ner comment was just a slag ,I ocassinaly take the od joint/line/pill.Im just think the mojority have got it wrong this time. Its true the language used is probably ambigous,but do you not think that is to be expected with 27 different countries negotating with their own intrests conditionsand languages.I dont know if you have read the treaty . i genuinely tried but couldent really understand all of it, it refeers to a lot of other previous documents,and i expect you would need a good understanding of these to fully understand it.I think its foolish to vote no based soley on ambigous language and the fact that cowan and mc creavy havent read if fully. Our goverment is no different than others, in that it employs experts to enterpet these documents and their possable results.why Do you think that all political parties in this country are united behind this issue.you say it can be worked on and fixed, be clear mb , what issuus need to be addressed ?, what do we ask for? , none of the no side seem to be sure, except for the usual sound bites and shite talk.I expect you have the answers on the main issues that the no camp have concintrated on, Netrulaty,Corporation tax,Aboration,Eutinasia,Comissioner,Defence,Voting rights,vito.I dont expect you do MB ,there is only interpretation and ,on this issue,im more inclined to believe the yes side.I enjoy your comments on this site mb also your own blog, but your very wrong on this.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:38 am
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Right right, they gave us all the furs and diamonds we wanted, now we just got otobend over and let them take us up the ass as they see fit.
Bollocks. This is a small country, with ambition and talent and a culture and a history. We’re not French/belgium? Spanish or German or anyone other than who we are, and as such we should retain our ability to decide-as democratically we have done-how to govern ourselves as we see fit. We are still European, but as a nation we can still can self determine.
Can’t you see if we hand over our rights to an unelected governing body that we sell our souls to the wind?
June 14th, 2008 at 12:42 am
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At the end of the day maggot, are you suggesting we trust those who couldn’t come up an unambiguous treaty after six years?
Was it their incompetance, or had they a hidden agenda?
Either way, they can stick it up their hole.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:42 am
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Shorter me, what MB said.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:45 am
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At the end of the day MB I’m reminding people that the faceless bureacrats of the EU have worked miracles for Ireland - and pointing out all the contradictions inherent in the comments here.
FMC - you already sold your souls to the EU. There’s no going back. Your sovereignty isn’t worth a damn.
This is a small country, with ambition and talent and a culture and a history.
and that would have sunk like a stone without the EU.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:56 am
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Its declan ganley with the hidden agenda lads. who knows anything about this fucker? really whats he about, nothing in his past would seem to indicate he would be intrested in any issue that is hasent something to gain personally. why is he so prominent all of a sudden, why wont he anser questions about this information he has on secret military breafs and politations who are sympithac to his position. Why was he allowed to feed this shite to the media withouy any proof?
June 14th, 2008 at 12:58 am
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Again, my english is terrable, left school early you see, i dont think that should affect my argument though.
June 14th, 2008 at 1:11 am
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The Referendum was about the Treaty, not a popularity contest for those standing for or against it.
I didn’t get swayed one way or the other by anyone or any organisation. Don’t you think attributing success to the likes of Sinn Féin or Libertas is only playing into their hands and swelling their heads? It’s unfortunate that they’re the ones out celebrating tonight, but you know the old saying, ‘Every dog has his day’.
Just get over it and be thankful that we’ve done our fellow Europeans proud.
June 14th, 2008 at 1:23 am
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I reckon if you change the word power to accountability then it sharpens the focus of the whole thing. The question becomes: do you want Irish politicians - who you know and have the ability to scrutinize, and over whom you still retain a modicum of power through national elections - to be accountable to you for the decisions made affecting the country? Or when stuff goes wrong - it’s bound to, it’s life - do you want accountability rest with someone you don’t know, someone you’ve never known, someone you can’t even unearth in the bureaucratic mess that is Brussels? Someone who might be responsible to the department of agriculture or the department of rural development, but noone’s quite sure, and anyway the agricultural comissioner is saying Oh no no no - this is a problem of the transport comissioner?
June 14th, 2008 at 1:37 am
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Considering the local politicians are crooks and cunts and have been since the WOI, isn’t it worth trying a change?
And how is your scenario different from the local buck passing and incompetence such as happens in the health service ? Nobody has been held to account for that - and the reality is that you are stuck with FF and FG - and thus the modicum of power through national elections is meaningless.
June 14th, 2008 at 1:47 am
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Considering the local politicians are crooks and cunts and have been since the WOI, isn’t it worth trying a change?
Why not give it a snappy title while you’re at it? Try ‘Foreign Rule’.
June 14th, 2008 at 2:03 am
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That still dosent explain your choise to vote no mb.your argument is very vague , idont mean to be pushy can you explain cleary why you voted no? on a point by point bayses. the comminisioner issue for instance, thats an easy one and would probably have been changed anywhay due to germanys stance. but really why ? i would jost like to engage someone what knows what there talking about and has no real adjenda.What is wrong with the treaty? please explain .Again without soundbites.YOU CANT.Arragence or perceived arragence on the goverments part is not a reason to vote no.This is or could potentaly be a very serious issue for this country,does anyone else reconise this, why the fuck would they think the goverment is trying to trick them?what would be the point?not just the goverment but all partys. I just cant get my head around this one. im very intrested if any no voters could explain their choice.please explain in terms of yhe issues.these posts has been by longest in three years of reading your blog twenty,normally i dont comment on any blog i read ,but i feel strongly about this and am really getting fucked off listining to people confusing ther dissapointment with whatever with all our futures.If nothing else comes of this vote ,i would like to think that in future voters will engage and understand with the issues at stake and not confuse the issue with politations or unemployment,health service, house prices, roads,fucking broadband or any other nonrelated shite.ha ha i sound like nonny. Im going to bed
June 14th, 2008 at 2:06 am
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‘Foreign Rule’.
And wasn’t local rule under FF and the church wonderful before the EU MB - pine for those days ? Ireland was a haven of wealth, tolerance and freedom before those faceless bureaucrats started to interfere.
I love xenophobia - christ, you loved the foreigners when the money was pouring in.
Ungreatful cunts.
June 14th, 2008 at 2:09 am
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maggot, will you please stop trying to bring totally non-related issues into the argument. It has nothing to do with Sinn Féin support for a No vote, and there’s no evidence of any xenophobia. On the contrary, I’d say we did ALL Europeans a favour.
It was a bad treaty, with too many vague points that were open to interpretation. Yes, there were some good points, but we were presented with an opportunity to take them all or nothing.
I could go on, bu
June 14th, 2008 at 2:26 am
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mb i tink your still talking shite , how can you say that other people are talking about other isues avoiding the questions.why dont you admit that you were possably wrong to vote no
June 14th, 2008 at 2:36 am
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i am going to bed now but reading back on comments i think i should qualify myself to talk such shite . im 33 yr male withh family 2 kids im from west working clas now self employed from city now living in country. im normal guy who i think understands this treaty as good as any normal person could be expexted to.im not elitist or d4 or any of that shite.i urge everyone else that if second vote comes ,vote on isseus,jees im pissed now.
June 14th, 2008 at 3:05 am
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Another second vote?
Now I know you’re just takin’ the piss.
June 14th, 2008 at 3:25 am
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The No campaign poster will come true
They won’t hear us
They won’t see us
They wont listen to us
June 14th, 2008 at 5:09 am
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Wow, the great unwashed said no……….like the great unwashed down under when they voted to keep Lizzie as Queen of Australia and threw out the idea of us becoming a republic………I blame the mothers for not edumecating the kids…….or maybe the Irish want to have at least 100 years of self rule before they hand over power to the shower of cunts who are currently running Europe!!
June 14th, 2008 at 7:17 am
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Roy , do you know , that poster you are speaking about was the inspiration of a far right group from austria, even libertas disowened them.
June 14th, 2008 at 8:02 am
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im not taking the piss mb. no one seems to know what way this is going to go yet, a second vote is possable, are you going to addresss the points i put to you. im sure you cant. Is this countrys european future going to de decided by uninformed clowns like you? seems so..
June 14th, 2008 at 8:10 am
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It does seem to me that you can’t draw up legislation like that using clear and easy to understand language. It has to be complicated.
I think however, that the commission should have made more effort to do an easy to understand overview of the main points and the changes we’d experience. Also an unbiased summary of the yes and no arguments. As everyone pointed out, there weren’t really any good yes or no arguments, just why we shouldn’t vote no or shouldn’t vote yes.
wax, you’re making good points. All this ‘bend over’ language is emotional and rousing, but translates into nothing concrete at the end of the day.
June 14th, 2008 at 8:35 am
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The constitution could have been written in simple language but if you google around a bit you will find that it was deliberately made confusing. The good people of Ireland were clever enough to spot this and spoiled the plan. People do not vote NO because ‘they don’t understand’ quite the opposite they DO understand…. anyone making a pitch in complicated legalistic language where the same thing could be made simple to understand is up to no goo