Judges are cunts – part 265.2b
Posted on | June 12, 2008 | 196 Comments
Imagine you are the parent of an eight year old girl. Some of you may already be parents of girls who are eight or who have been eight or who will be eight soon.
Now, imagine that your little girl is going to a youth group. All fun and games. It’s good for kids to socialise.
Now, imagine that an adult involved in that youth group took an interest in your little girl. He was so interested he took her clothes off, tied her up and ‘massaged’ her at least 12 times over a three year period. Sorry to make you imagine that.
NOW, imagine the case comes to court and the adult who ‘massaged’ your little girl is found guilty of this sexual assault. Of course it would not make up for what happened but at least you’d feel justice had been done.
Then you hear the judge pass sentence. And you think ‘Oh, hang on. He’s made a mistake here. He said 9 months, not 9 years. And he said the final 3 months would be suspended, not the final 3 years’. And then you’d realise that you hadn’t misheard and the judge did, in fact, say 9 months.
Now, as much as I would harbour an intense hatred for David McGlone, the man who ‘massaged’ my daughter, I have to say I would be just as upset with Judge David Riordan, the man who passed such a light sentence after what was such a serious, pre-meditated and continued assualt upon a little girl. Maybe he was acting within the bounds of the justice system but then I would question why it is that a more severe sentence could not be handed out.
He tied up a naked 8 year old girl at least 12 times. And he gets 9 months. His solicitor said he was sorry and deeply regretted his actions but that’s a load of shit. He deeply regrets being caught.
If an adult tied up another adult and repeatedly sexually assaulted them over a period of three years wouldn’t they get more than 9 months with 3 months suspended?
We’ve had examples before of how paedophiles in this country are let away lenient sentences for serious crimes but this is right up there with the best of them. When you think of what that girl had to go through, both in terms of the assualts upon her and reliving them so this man could be brought to trial, to give that man a 6 month jaunt in jail is just fucking too much.
If I were her parents I’d burn the fucking courthouse down, with the judge and that pervert in it.
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June 12th, 2008 @ 8:58 am
I tend to lean on the more liberal side regarding sentencing, but not in case of paedophiles. Nothing short of castration seems right. Sick, dirty, cunts, every one of them.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:04 am
Very odd. How on earth can he give that man 6 months?
Someone close to me has been trying to get a prosecution through for sexual assault on him years ago. The Garda in charge has done sweet FA. Some cops don’t care at all. And I have long feared that judges in this country need serious investigating themselves.
Shame on that Judge. And may that poor girl learn to deal with what happened to her and have a long and happy life.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:07 am
And I have long feared that judges in this country need serious investigating themselves.
It would make you wonder, wouldn’t it?
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:08 am
Unfortuntely the cunt was tried in a district court..max sentence 12 months. Not the judges fault but the DPP. He was tried in the District court because his offence took place before the 2001 Sex Offenders Act. It is absolutely unbelievable.
Hopefully he will suffer the same fate as the Welsh Copper who had kiddie porn on his PC.: a member of the public will stab the cunt to death.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:10 am
As someone who has had a lot professional experience with judges I can say that they are as far as removed from reality as Bertie was when he said he was a man of the people. And the higher up the judge, the more removed from reality they are. Unfortunately thats all I can say without breachng the official secrets act. Nutbags!!
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:17 am
Anarchy OK. Forget about the Official secrets act.Just leave your file on a train addressed to Twenty Major and he can release its contents on his blog.
In relation to that pervert the comment to JD la Rue (who had a bit of a penchant for younger women)from his partner in the original of the police TV series, “Hill Street Blues” seems appropriate. “Remember JD, 15 gets you five and 10 gets you twenty”. So 20 years in clink seems to be the US version -seems good to me.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:20 am
Still, free massage… not to be sniffed at.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:21 am
Paedos cannot be cured, there is every liklihood the sick bastard will reoffend, particularly given that his punishment is little more than a slap on the wrist.
My proposal would be to whip them, throw caustic soda on them, shatter their shins with a hammer and bury them alive. Might make others think again before messing some poor kids life up to sate their twisted desires.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:23 am
“part 265.2b” says it all. unfortunately, dispensing your own justice will result in you getting locked up for a very long time, and most likely your “victim” getting compensation. unless you’re chuck norris.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:25 am
“Unfortunately thats all I can say without breachng the official secrets act. Nutbags!!”
Breach breach!
When you consider how unworthy some of leaders were, how can the judges they appoint be any better? They simply can’t. I believe the golden circle exists in our country and has done since independence. I have seen glimpses of it, little flashes here and there of how it all really works. What you need is someone high up in every organ of the state to keep the status quo and maintain the legislature the way that suits yourself and your mates.
It’s a small country, the higher up you go, the less people are there, you know them all, you went to school with them and then college. They all help each other out, get each other out of trouble and hide their indiscretions in a way most of can’t.
Judges are part of all that. Take a look at most judges leaving the court, they are arrogant, overweight, sloppy. Because they don’t have to try anymore, they’ve made it.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:26 am
@Porridge: What, no outsourcing? I thought privatisation of public services was the watchword of the modern world?
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:27 am
PP, then why not give the cunt 12 months instead of 6 months?
SG, funny as fuck!!
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:34 am
What I don’t understand is why no-one leaked this to the press beforehand: if i knew some cunt who had done something like this would get a maximum sentence of 12 months (25% remission for good behaviour) I would fucking phone every tabloid in the world.
The only saving grace is maybe they will forget to put him in solitary and another inmate will cut his gonads off.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:37 am
Maybe someone will tie him down and give him and good long internal massage.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:39 am
“If an adult tied up another adult and repeatedly sexually assaulted them over a period of three years ”
I hope this was not directed at Johnny5′s pulling technique.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:51 am
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe we are all paedophiles, but we just haven’t met the right child yet?
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:54 am
If all the adults, as a whole, were somehow able to focus all their energies on protecting and caring for the children, theirs, and other people’s, I wonder how many generations it would take before all the shit just got sorted out. The crime, the violence, the war, the abuse, it might all fade away.
On one hand, I look at what people used to do to eachother routinely – middle ages, torture, witch burning, and I recognise that that mentality is far less prevalent. We undertand psychology better, blah blah.
But then all you have to do is read the news, all the violence, the fucking basements and massaging 8 year olds, and it feels like the world is fucked. Maybe Twenty’s right. Bring on the End of Days.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:58 am
The ultimate insult was when his legal advisor said he was pleading guilty to save the girl the ordeal of the trial! sickening.
June 12th, 2008 @ 9:59 am
Irish prisons are quite full, so how about out-sourcing his sentance to another country and deporting the cunt to Iran where he can have 6 months of Sharia justice ? It wouldn’t be the first time an irish Citizen has been deported.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:00 am
There was a paedophile in the town I’m from that was nabbed a good few years back. As far as I know he got a fairly minimal prison sentance, as well as a free house out in the countryside, I bet he won’t do that again.
On the bright side re: burning things to the ground, half the town did that to his original abode, he wasn’t in it alas. Good old mob justice! :)
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:01 am
You overuse the word cunt on this site, to the point it loses it’s effect.
With all the venom I can muster, this criminal is a sick evil cunt, and the judge is an ignorant cunt.
Some of the shit that goes on in this (that) country never ceases to sicken me.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:08 am
I hope this was not directed at Johnny5’s pulling technique.
Nah. No chloroform or claw hammers. Fucking amateur.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:13 am
Fuck THAT. Seriously. I’m off to live in a cave in outer Mongolia.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:17 am
I can fully understand such a lenient sentence. I mean, If she hadn’t dressed so provocatively this might never have happened. That’s the number one cause of paedophilia you know… Sexy kids.
First post!
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:19 am
“The only saving grace is maybe they will forget to put him in solitary and another inmate will cut his gonads off.”
Not a bit of it,he’ll be put in with other Nonces so they can sit around “massaging” each other to Ballamorry and old video recordings of We are the Champions.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:20 am
I know dan is taking the piss, But there is a serious and separate point – the way some parents dress their children.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:23 am
Agreed. Was over at a mates’ house last night. Someone gave her a present of an outfit for her 4 month old daughter. It was a suede mini-skirt and belly top. My mate said she wouldn’t even expect a streetwalker to wear it.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:24 am
I worked in the bar of the local GAA club for a few years, till I was about 22/23. One Friday per month they used to have the auld no-name teenage disco in the hall. Fuck me pink but if you saw some of the young ones going into that place you would seriously consider doing 9 months in the Joy.
In all seriousness though how these girls got our their front doors dressed as they were is unfuckingbelievable
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:25 am
Agreed. Was over at a mates’ house last night. Someone gave her a present of an outfit for her 4 month old daughter. It was a suede mini-skirt and belly top. My mate said she wouldn’t even expect a streetwalker to wear it.
Did she look hot in it?
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:26 am
They probably left the house in much more sensible clothes.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:28 am
A OK, tell us (if you can) why the DPP brought charges in the District Court rather than the Circuit Court? Was the guilty plea a factor – ie was it bargained from the higher to the lower court?
The least I would have expected of Judge David Riordan is that he would have explained why he could not impose a longer sentence.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:31 am
J5: Of course, but it was the rattle that really did it for me.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:32 am
From Jo: “If all the adults, as a whole, were somehow able to focus all their energies on protecting and caring for the children, theirs, and other people’s, I wonder how many generations it would take before all the shit just got sorted out. The crime, the violence, the war, the abuse, it might all fade away.”
Jo needs a hug people, there there now now, let me take the hot drink out of your hand and sit down over here on the nice comfy bed? Where’s Teddy, oh there he is look… he wants give you a huggle.
WELL JO, I see it like this. We have global news coverage and internet accessible to most people on a daily basis. So we are exposed far more than we ever were to the goings on of the world. Within seconds I can find out about a man in China who fed his kittens to his children.
I call this the Toffee Crisp scenario… Somebody Somewhere is…. feeding his kittens to his children. Years ago we’d never know that but now we can find out too easily. And we can search for it, seek it out rather than wait for it to be told to us at 9pm on RTE1. So fucked up shit was always happening, we just didn’t know about it so it seems like it’s happening more now but in reality it is not.
I firmly believe that the world is a much better place than it ever was. In general, we live longer, eat better, have better health and are much safer than ever before. There is a lot still to be done in developing nations and nations such as Myanmar and North Korea and the USA though.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:36 am
“A OK, tell us (if you can) why the DPP brought charges in the District Court rather than the Circuit Court? Was the guilty plea a factor – ie was it bargained from the higher to the lower court?
The least I would have expected of Judge David Riordan is that he would have explained why he could not impose a longer sentence.”
Forget it Conan, the DDP NEVER explain why they do anything, above the law you see. Disgusting that this person got off so lightly.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:40 am
The judge is indeed a prick, they should have mandatory sentencing, like life n prison and compulsory castration for such crimes as clearly some judges misogynist retards.
Also, the parents should be given a severe hiding, how an earth would you let your 8 year old be in the company of a stranger long enough for him to do such a thing. I hope something equally horrendous happens to them.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:43 am
Get a fucking grip, Nonny. You don’t know anything about the circumstances or the parents. Should the parents of all kids who are sexually abused face sanctions? That is utterly moronic.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:43 am
“Forget it Conan, the DDP NEVER explain why they do anything, above the law you see”
The Dpp are considering giving explanations. Either way you should not be able to bargain your way to a lower sentance when you abuse a child.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:43 am
Maggot, if the sentence was outsourced to Iran, the 8 year old girl would probably get 100 lashes for having pre-marital sex.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:44 am
Nonny:They let her go to a youth group to socialise with other children.Why would you punish them?
Moron..
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:48 am
How is a child abused over a three year period and the parents dont know anything about it? How did they find out? Why was he left alone with the child long enough to abuse her? Was the 8 year old not reluctant to go to the youth group? Most importantly if it was your child do you honestly think it could happen to her? It wouldn’t happen to mine. Over a THREE YEAR period? THREE YEARS! You don’t know what goes on in your childs youth club for three years. ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE HERE ???
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:49 am
Also, the parents should be given a severe hiding, how an earth would you let your 8 year old be in the company of a stranger long enough for him to do such a thing. I hope something equally horrendous happens to them.
That has to be one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:50 am
Should the parents of all kids who are sexually abused face sanctions? #
No off course not, but in thios case yes. Make people accountable and perhaphs they will take better care of their children. They are not the ones who have to live with the consequences.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:51 am
They probably left the house in much more sensible clothes.
No doubt but It’s when they get collected by a parent looking like a 2 bob whore that alarm bells started to ring
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:51 am
Nonny:So i take it you’re kids will be locked up and not allowed (unsupervised) contact with anybody then?
Are you enjoying read your Daily Mail this morning..
For fucks sake…
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:51 am
No off course not, but in thios case yes. Make people accountable and perhaphs they will take better care of their children. They are not the ones who have to live with the consequences.
You have to be on a wind up
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:53 am
Nonnny is Twenty???
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:53 am
“Also, the parents should be given a severe hiding, how an earth would you let your 8 year old be in the company of a stranger long enough for him to do such a thing. I hope something equally horrendous happens to them.”
Nah, the parents are probably normal people who don’t think a monster like that is going to darken their children’s lives. The parents did nothing wrong at all.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:57 am
Nonny, for fucks sake get a grip. There are millions of children in positions where this could potentially happen. Predators like this scum are highly skilled at covering their tracks. The girl was not raped so the physical signs would not have been there. There would no doubt be psycological effects but these can be well hidden by someone undergoing ritual abuse, and can take many hours of therapy just to get to the root of the issue. Direct your anger at the perpetrator, and the stupid legal system not the parents.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:58 am
“Over a THREE YEAR period? THREE YEARS! You don’t know what goes on in your childs youth club for three years. ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE HERE ???”
Eh no.
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:59 am
BOY SHOT IN HEAD BY STRANGER, PARENTS GET LIFE.
How about that Nonny? Like that?
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:01 am
Hey organdonor, Twenty would be well within his rights to rape you with his designer sunglasses for comment 46
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:03 am
This is fuckin’ sick Twenty! 6 months for that lowlife piece of shit. Rather than burn down the courthouse I’d let the fucker loose on the judge concerned and his solicitor and see whether or not 6 months of being sorry is enough in their estimation. The legal system in this country is well fucked. More power should be given to the people not the incompetent judges who can’t even be sacked for drink driving or possessing child porn, what kind of fuckin’ law makers/enforcers do we have running the show. Excuse me, I’m off to throw my guts up in disgust!
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:04 am
PP:as long as he’s gentle..
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:04 am
. ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE HERE ???
Nobody’s on the same page as you, you fucking loon.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:04 am
you know..at first..
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:05 am
Nonnny is Twenty???
You fucking watch it…
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:07 am
sorry..thought it was a red herring post to stir a bit more ire up amongst the commenters
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:07 am
Holemaster that is pathetic.
I think you people are all mad. There is no way a child could be abused over three years and persons of reasonable minds would be unaware of it. At no point would you say what happened today at the club? Would the child not act strangely? Assuming the child was 5 when it started, the only place a 5 year old should be unaccompanied is School. Even if she was in a club some sort you are hardly gonna leave her there more than an hour and I would find it incredibly hard to believe that this abuse occurred within an hour maybe it did but I doubt it. Think of the practicalities of it. It does not make sense to me.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:10 am
“judges who can’t even be sacked for drink driving or possessing child porn,”
That fucker in Kerry! Summons delivered too late. My fucking hole that wasn’t deliberate.
Thing that bothers me though is that violence and abuse in general against women is still very high. Rape is not reported in very many if not most cases.
My Dad gave me good advice once, he said “always remember son that all girls are someone’s sister or someone’s daughter, just like your own sisters. Be nice to them and always respect them, even more than men” That was my sex talk, nothing about mickeys and gees at all.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:11 am
“sorry..thought it was a red herring post to stir a bit more ire up amongst the commenters”
Hey this isn’t FM104
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:12 am
You dont think that the parents already blame themselves(needlessly) or are feeling guilt over what happened to their child?
Cop on to yourself Nonny and stop talking out of you arse..
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:13 am
Holemaster: he he right,im a bit sleepy this morning.. (fucking GTA4!!)
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:14 am
“. ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE HERE ???
Nobody’s on the same page as you, you fucking loon.”
You and your pal just fly the flag for the excuse making generation. As soon as I suggest somebody takes responsibility you attack me. It happens over and over again every single argument we have boils down to the same thing. Whether it is drugs, parents, protests, kids etc. It is the same thing. I give up.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:16 am
“As soon as I suggest somebody takes responsibility you attack me. It happens over and over again every single argument we have boils down to the same thing. Whether it is drugs, parents, protests, kids etc. It is the same thing. I give up.”
The paedo and the Courts are responsible not the parents..
So do give up..
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:16 am
She was 8 when it started, it’s in the piece. And who knows how she reacted or what he said to her to make her keep quiet. Either way, blaming the victim and/or blaming the victim’s parents for the actions of a scumbag is very poor form.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:18 am
Nonny.
Making parents responsible for their children being abused is not a reasonable argument. If they had lobbed her over the wall of Arbour Hill prison to see what might happen then yes.
So Nonny, just be aware that some people on this site may have been or know someone who was abused as a child and I would bet you your life that they don’t blame the parents.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:22 am
You and your pal just fly the flag for the excuse making generation. As soon as I suggest somebody takes responsibility you attack me. It happens over and over again every single argument we have boils down to the same thing. Whether it is drugs, parents, protests, kids etc. It is the same thing. I give up.
No, what you’re doing here is looking for blame and revenge, not responsibility. You just come on with your away with the fairies beliefs about how the world works and try and blunderbuss everybody into thinking that what you say is the only opinion that should matter.
As I said to you – you don’t know the circumstances or why this child was abused. If the parents were wilfully neglectful then I’d agree with you that the parents deserve what’s coming to them but I doubt very much if that’s the case.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:23 am
Good god I dont blame the child, I did not say that. I do not believe that a child could be abused for that lengh of time and the parents did not think something was wrong. How long must the child have been left there for something like that to happen as I said it hardly happened within an hour.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:24 am
Are you being deliberately stupid?
Children are abused over much longer periods of time without parents knowing the first thing about it.
Do you not think if they suspected there was anything going on they’d have taken the child away from there and reported it immediately?
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:25 am
Wheres Brian when you need him???
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:25 am
Dead, hopefully.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:27 am
Finally succumed to the Aids i suppose..
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:28 am
Nonny, leaving aside your bizarre logic which suggests that that the parents are as guilty as this criminal, surely you must realise that as in the many cases that have been documented in this country, the parents must feel absolutely distraught that they didn’t know the abuse was going on and that someone they trusted with their daughter, abused their trust so horribly.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:29 am
No, BabyPowers, that doesn’t matter to Nonny. The parents are just as culpable as the predatory paedophile. CAN’T YOU SEE?!!!
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:31 am
Ok here we go boys and girls, from the fucking top,
“McGlone had pleaded guilty to a total of 12 counts of sexually assaulting the youngster at his home over various dates between January 1 1998 and December 31 2000.
The assaults occurred while the girl was aged between eight and 11 years.
McGlone of Leeview, Ballincollig, Co Cork, had pleaded guilty to the charges earlier this year after stressing he deeply regretted his actions and did not want to cause any further trauma to the youngster.
Judge Riordan paid tribute to the youngster — who cannot be identified for legal reasons — for the way she had assisted the garda investigation.
“She was a very brave person,” he said.
The court heard that McGlone — who retired from the Defence Forces in 2002 — had met the youngster through a youth group he had become involved in.
He became friendly with her and brought her to an address where he then tied her up and massaged her while naked.”
Quoted from the Independent
Points to note,
1. A big fat dirty auldfella befriends your 8 year old in a youth club, is that not odd???
2. He then takes her to his home and abuses her, why how did this happen? Do you let a dirty auldfella take your child to his home alone? Or maybe they didn’t know where she was, ok ok do you not know where your 8 year old is at all times?
3. They let this happen not once not twice but twelve fucking time. Is that ok with you? Is that reasonable conduct for a parent?
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:34 am
What I don’t see Twenty, is how someone can get hung up on the timeframe of these awful events instead of the unbelievable sentences being handed down!
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:35 am
do agree that parents should be held accountable for their kids, especially the little fuckers going around mugging and stabbing people, stealing shit and generally being pricks, but not in cases like this. while there are parents who knowingly let others abuse their kids and deserve several lifetime of pain, the majority of parents would rather die than let anything happen to their kids, and the parents in this case are probably dying inside. nonny, get your head out of your arse
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:36 am
Must admit though, it really hacks me off that the media are so irresponsible – look at the magazine racks and what they offer young girls. On the one hand we rightly are outraged at the behaviour of anmals like this shit – and the cunting legal systems that allow the fuckers to get lenient treatment – but on the other hand we allow our kids to be sexualised far too young. The Magazines, the Advertising, children’s “fashion”, TV shows, “beauty contests” – even things like Irish dancing where little girls wear wigs and makeup.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:42 am
I hate to admit it- as he’s a cunt – but Nonny has a point. It’s a separate issue from the main points of the blog – the legal system and how it handles animals like McGlone – but it’s an area that is worthy of debate on a separate thread.
Parenting. We are kind of in the same difficult area as with the McCann case – any attempt to look at the parent’s behaviour there has been met with similar accusations that examining them in some way let’s the abductor off the hook. It doesn’t.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:43 am
Was he a friend of the parents,does anyone know?
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:44 am
Noony, I have two children both are heavily involved in after school/weekend activities, such as football, swimming etc etc. These clubs are often run by volunteers and other parents. I and my ex wife do as much as we can to feasibly check on the suitability of such clubs but there is an element of trust that my children are looked after for the duration of these clubs. It is healthy for children to do these activities s it socilaises them and lets them develop a sense of independence.
As a child I went to a youth club, for the two hours it was open my parents felt I was safe and supervised (which I was). The youth club was staffed by volunteers.
You are living on a different planet, the victim psychology in abuse cases is typical in the concealment of the act , either through threat from the perpetrator or self loathing. Children will naturally go through many behavioural changes in their development so it is not always easy to recognise signs of abuse.
I am wasting my time explaining this to you, but perhaps you should read a bit more on the subject, perhaps even study it, and then form an opinion. You made the same snap judgements regarding the psychology of depression, which I can just about cope with, but your comments here are fucking abhorrent.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:45 am
PP: Amen brother
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:45 am
examining, fine, not condemning out of hand as nonny has done
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:49 am
Puerile Pish, you sound like a devoted parent, but would you let your child befriend a man that she met in a youth club, who is probably older than you? Moreover, would you let them go alone to his house?
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:50 am
He’s put it badly porridge and he is indeed a cunt.
Let’s be blunt – not every parent is clever – some are a bit dim, some are insensitive, some are too busy to pay much attnention to their kids and some are just thick as shit. Doesn’t make them bad people or “guilty” of anything. Just stupid.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:51 am
organdonor, the child “befriended” him in the club
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:53 am
If the prisons are full don’t put him there. Simply tattoo the words “Child Molester” on his forehead and let him go.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:54 am
no the child was “befriended” by him as he was grooming her..he is a paedophile and that is what they do,they are very sneaky and clever at manipulating children and situations to their advantage..
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:56 am
Nonny – do you honestly know what you’re kids are up to every minute of the day and who they spend it with.
I have to agree with you that it’s hard to belive that an 8 year old is going back to some old peados house without anyone knowing but never forget the power of a bag of sweets and innocent trust
June 12th, 2008 @ 12:12 pm
Nonny, I know what you’re saying, I wouldn’t let my child go to a strange man’s home either, but we don’t know the circumstances of this case, we don’t know that the parents knew she went there, we don’t know if there were other children there or not, we don’t know if he befriended the parents too. In a lot of cases like this the perpetrator is so cunning he uses the family’s trust to get what he wants. That’s how priests operated for years.
Either way the family may be guilty of poor judgement, maybe not, but what you proposed earlier is that they be blamed for it when I’m pretty sure they’re doing a bang up job of blaming themselves already.
June 12th, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
On the plus side, this guy is going to be a registered sex offender.
Can anyone remember how that works again? Is it they have to report into a garda station once a month or something like that. Or is it just if they move they have to register with the guards?
June 12th, 2008 @ 12:15 pm
It just means you get a different parish, morgor.
June 12th, 2008 @ 12:17 pm
morgor -
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/justice/law_enforcement/monitoring-sex-offenders-in-ireland
June 12th, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
Well said, Fmc.
Nonny, imagine for a moment you are eight and someone has that kind of power over you – making you believe, perhaps, that your parents will die/ not believe you/ send you away, if you tell them or if you give them any reason to be concerned. Or that he will do even worse things to you, and that it’s you that’s leading him on.
June 12th, 2008 @ 12:35 pm
When you read the whole article as quoted by Nonny (who I think is a girl, BTW, am I right) you do wonder where the parents thought she was while he had her at his house.
I don’t agree that they should have seen signs in the child’s behaviour. Conan’s right in how easily the scumbag could ensure that she never let on.
June 12th, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Sorry folks you are not going to convince me otherwise a parent should now where their 8-year-old is at all times. Then there would be no opportunity to coheres the child or bribe her. I mean she must have been gone a while. And no parent I know would let their child go to a mans house that either they or the child had befriended in a youth club. I feel dreadfully sorry for that poor child and yes the man got pathetic sentence but the actions of the parents should be called into question as well.
June 12th, 2008 @ 12:55 pm
Oh, I get it, Nonny. We live on different planets.
On your planet no one trusts anyone, ever. And somehow (don’t forget I’m not on your planet so I don’t understand the mechanism) because of that no harm comes to anybody, ever.
June 12th, 2008 @ 12:57 pm
Conan: Transport to this planet is achieved by reading The Daily Mail and believing in the inherant bad in all of mankind..
June 12th, 2008 @ 12:57 pm
Conan, you would let your 8 year old child go off to a mans house she befriended in a youth club?? Your dead right I wouldn’t trust. That is just common sense. Seriously are you winding me up
June 12th, 2008 @ 12:58 pm
I don’t know about this case, but you can’t deny Ireland has a questionable history in regards to parenting and child abuse – all the approval of child beating and staunch belief in the priests, and dismissal of children’s expression…
These days though, I would have thought it was every parents’ boogie man, and people would be over zealous in their fears.
I’m not sure I believe in over protecting children though, you have to let them live their lives as well. Though maybe I’m not protective enough. It’s a tough call.
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
Although this point has bben made by several others I will reiterate it. The power of an adult predator over a child is phenomenal (similar to the power Morgor has over sheep), they use a complex blend of threat and enticement to ensure the child will not divulge the nature of the relationship. Nonny, the parent may have though she was at the youth club, unless you put a GPS receiver on your child you will never know where your child is 100% of the time especially as they start to get a little older and more independent. My Son recently went on a camping trip with his school, I had to trust he was being cared for by the teachers and volunteers, based on the fact they are vetted by the local authority and I have met most of them. Unfortunately predators are not all heavy breathing sweaty males with a tattoo on their heads indicating their perversion. Predators deliberately get themselves into positions of power (see priests) and often befriend the families. In your black and white world it would be easy to condemn parents, but reality is more complex.
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
But judges are still cunts
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
The dynamic of abuse is that the ones that feel all the shame and guilt are the child and loved ones and not the perpetrator.
On a personal note, I know we live in a different time but at the age of 8, during the long Irish school holidays, my parents certainly didn’t know where I or my siblings were all the time. We headed off in groups on our bikes, sometimes to social groups like the scouts or guides, but mainly just to hang out together around the estate and didn’t appear back home until various mealtimes. I don’t think our parents were practising benign neglect in not supervising us round the clock at that age. We were warned repeatedly not talk to strangers, go off with them etc. and apart from that allowed to make our own fun without being restricted to the confines of the house. I definitely think my childhood and my friends childhoods would have been the poorer for it. The tragedy in this case of course is that the parents agreed to let their child go to a supervised group where they could have reasonably expected their child would have been safe, we do not know what exactly transpired, timeframes, but the fact that they are now being pilloried further here, albeit by the usual suspect, beggars belief
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:18 pm
Fuck me – an outbreak of principle in British politics – see link – Can this be tolerated ?
Imagine – Enda could have resigned from the Dail and said I’m fighting a by-election on the issue that Bertie is a cunt.
Wow!
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:18 pm
Seriously are you winding me up
Have you stopped for one second to think about why it is you, AND ONLY YOU, that is giving the parents a hard time? Do you think it might be because you are completely in the wrong?
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:22 pm
Lorcan – he’s raised an important point, if badly.
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:23 pm
Peedos are just like other abusers, they take advantage of the trust and weakness in people. The same way a bank will over charge, the peedo will abuse, because they think they can get away with it and not get caught.
I’m not suggesting that Peedos are as bad as banks but I’m just saying that we cannot be always switched on to the perils of evil fucking doers who can’t maintain the level of humanity required for a decent and honest society. We have to take chances in order to function properly.
Most parents wouldn’t knowingly take a chance on their children’s safety but what are you going to do, attach a CCTV camera to them and GPS?
Oddly enough, a lot of parents will feed their kids burgers and chips every day and give them heart disease by the age of 16.
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
Most parents wouldn’t knowingly take a chance on their children’s safety
I’m not convinced – a lot of parents seem to take the attitude that the well being of their children is at least in part someone else’s responsibility – schools, social services etc etc . I’ve seen kids who cannot be older than 3 or 4 out playing on streets unattended – and very young girls tarted up out and about in small groups on Friday nights etc.
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:30 pm
Hey Maggot, you do know he is a she, and not in the way that Twenty was exposed to in a hotel room in Drogheda
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
Nonny ? Flapped ? I’m gob-smacked!
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:53 pm
Why is there no blame being aimed at the Youth Club that had this fucker amongst their volunteers?
And Nonny has a point. There’s no way in the World that my children will ever end up in a situation like this, simply because myself and my partner actually pay attention to what they do, where they are, and who they’re with at ALL times. You can’t take a break and pass your kid over to anyone else that you don’t know well enough to trust implicitly.
Having said that, I’m sure the parents are suffering enough already. They aren’t blameless, but if they weren’t so negligent to begin with the whole sordid affair would never have happened.
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
Nonny totally s girl. I’d be flabberghasted to discover otherwise.
I’m ignoring ‘flapped>’, that’s just, …feh.
Hotel room in Drogheda, heh.
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
“I’ve seen kids who cannot be older than 3 or 4 out playing on streets unattended – and very young girls tarted up out and about in small groups on Friday nights etc.”
OK, those “parents” excepted.
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:56 pm
“’m ignoring ‘flapped>’, that’s just, …feh.”
Flapped is hilarious, like the female version of hung. Or maybe not.
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
The youth club does have some blame here alright MB..
as has been stated above though,i’m sure the parents will never forgive themselves for whats has happened,i dont think punishing them anymore achieves anything but dragging out an already traumatic experience for the child..
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:59 pm
So MB, what do you do? Take her to the Youth Club and sit outside for the time she’s there?
I’m not trying to be contensious, I’m serious. Is this what it’s come to?
My fear is that you can be frightened for your children to the point of paranoia. Ok, in this case it would have been valis, so clearly there’s a strong argument for it. But I believe that that sort of fear of the world can damage a child too.
June 12th, 2008 @ 1:59 pm
Flapped is not like hung, no.
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:01 pm
Is it like jugged?
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:06 pm
Nonny, I can honestly see where you’re coming from… But no. Just no. These people are usually the ones that parents are on very good terms with. For all you know, perp told kid that he’d kill the parents, kill someone, or do something else. Fuck, at that age, the child was probably groomed as well. Had to have been. Kids don’t think like adults. That’s why adults are there. That’s why you trust your kids with another adult when they want to do extra-curricular stuff. Swimming/dancing/whatever. You trust that the person doing it, is trustworthy. Or at least, you hope so. Maybe we shouldn’t be thinking of what the parents should do, and telling the government that they need to screen everyone that works with children. As people have said, the guy may have befriended the parents. Parents may have had an emergency at one stage, and couldn’t pick up the child on time, guy brought child to house. Parents realise child is safe, and it happens a second time by accident – or the parents ask if the guy will mind the child for a while. It’s so easily done. They think the child is safe… That’s what it’s all about. I’m sure you leave your children with people Nonny, family, friends, babysitters, whoever. I hope to GOD that nothing happens to them. I really do. However, how many cases have we heard of where it’s one of those people that does things to the child? And the parents don’t find out until years later? That’s what the people above are trying to point out.
I actually feel sick to my stomach at that sentence. I know that Ireland is absolutely RUBBISH at giving sentences for sexual crimes, and you begin to wonder if it’s doing anything. If it’s any form of deterrant.
I read this a while ago – http://tinyurl.com/5go2jz – and just thought, wow.
“Flirty: The ultimate insult was when his legal advisor said he was pleading guilty to save the girl the ordeal of the trial! sickening.”
He only did that so he wouldn’t go to a higher court and get a worse sentence. Fucking ridiculous. District court sentences should be changed for sexual crimes. Make them higher. Just cos you’re “nice” about the fact that you ruined someone’s innocence does NOT mean you should have a lighter sentence. They’re never going to get that back. Fucker.
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
i dont think punishing them anymore achieves anything but dragging out an already traumatic experience for the child..
I think what is important here is that other Parents can and should learn from what happened. These parents may or may not be responsible parents – and I’m not in te least interested in slagging them, they are in a totally different league to the McCanns – but we cannot just pretend that the only way to protect children is by tackling the predators and that no other aspects of how we raise our children need consideration.
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
Flapped is hilarious, like the female version of hung. Or maybe not.
Hence flappers, 1920s wimmin who danced in lose clothing.
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:26 pm
Damned Keyboard :1920s wimmin who danced in loose clothing.
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:37 pm
I completely agree with you Maggot.
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:38 pm
Are slapppers 1920s wimmin with lisps who danced in loose clothing?
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:43 pm
does anyone say ‘s’ instead of ‘f’??
Holemaster, is jugged the same as hung? Well, if you want it to be, I suppose. Unless you’re a hare…
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:46 pm
If they’re at the stage of being jugged or hung, I think the hares are beyond caring.
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:47 pm
“Unless you’re a hare…”
Now I’m confused.
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:49 pm
I’m hung like a hare!
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:49 pm
“does anyone say ’s’ instead of ‘f’??”
That’s a Fisp.
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:50 pm
Jugged hare, it’s an English dish. I don’t know how one jugs a hare, exactly.
This is far, far against my better judgement, but in the interests of a laugh, some of you may be amused to know that my parents called me Jo-Jugs when I was a little kid.
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
hahaha
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
Do ye remeber that Shaggy song years ago???
“They call me Mr Infert’le
Hung like a Turtle..”
i think thats what it went like..
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
oh jesus, they are all off googling jugged hare…
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
that sounds perverse
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
Why did they call you that Jo? If you were well developed I still think it was inappropriate.
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
But funny
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:57 pm
i came late, how did we get on the subject of Hare Krishnas??
June 12th, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
PP, no, no, god, I was really little, a little kid, not a worryingly endowed 9 year old or anything :)
I don’t think ‘jugs’ were boobs back then, it was just about the alliteration. My poor brother Rowan got called Ro-rat.
The bastards…
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:02 pm
But neither of you were as unlucky as your sister Gertie-Gooch…
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:03 pm
Were your parents some kind of hippy aspiring poets, or worse folk singers?
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
It was just a throwaway nickname, PP, it’s not on my birth cert or anything. Rowan’s a nice name. End of story.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
Wait a minute Jo – that picture on your blog form yesterday – It’s Your Jugs!!!!!
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
Cue..massive defection to Jo’s blog…
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:08 pm
I live in North Carolina and here judges get elected to four
year terms just like politicians.
There is nothing like some accountability. (accuntability ?)
Sorry.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
Jugs get elected?? fuck me..
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
oh..Sorry Richard. thread seems to have gone for Judges to jugs in the last hour.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
Suppose jug elections would use proportional representation.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
No, RN, no no no. I can only dream of having jugs like that.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
I hope Nonny’s kids are off getting touched right this very second.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
Not a bad idea though, OD.
“Vote for Jugs” is a quality slogan.
After all, in Co Wicklow where I live, we’re asked to vote for Dick.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
How to get commenters from the twenty Major Blog, to comment on your Blog,
Post a picture of a Wahazzo Pair of Jugs!!
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
whazzo??
thats what I get for using a word like that!
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
Likewise jojo, I’d never leave the house.
Fuck that, I’d never leave the shower.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:16 pm
but RN, your boobs would get all wrinkly and shriveled.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:17 pm
I got in jug trouble when I first “met” Jo – she misunderstood my intentions!
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:17 pm
Not my boobs. My boobs would be perfect and perky forever. And a bit soapy.
Best. Boobs. Ever.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:17 pm
Jugs are great. It’s not the size so much as the shape I think. My girlfriend tells me to give hers a good going over when I stressed out to calm me down.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
Are you an XX RN ? I had you down for an XY. It’s the hair.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:20 pm
I am on an intensive programme of grub, beer and laziness with a view to cultivating a pair all of my own. Early signs are promising.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:20 pm
oh yeah, I thought maggot had a breastfeeding fetish…
see what bad impressions you give collectively… though now I’m part of it.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
So MB, what do you do? Take her to the Youth Club and sit outside for the time she’s there?
Taking her to the Youth Club, and being punctual about collecting her from the Youth Club would be enough, wouldn’t it? Provided you had already deemed the Youth Club suitable.
You’ve got to talk to your children too. I have a 6yr old attending Ballet classes, and a 9yr old into GAA and Tae Kwondo. Both of them have piano lessons too. They’ll tell me every detail about what goes on in their classes if I let them, -so I let them.
Parenting is a 24hr a day job. There are no days off.
And you’re never entitled to a break before their 18th birthdays.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:25 pm
although in fairness MB, it’s not as if you’re working daily 12 hour shifts to pay the mortgage now is it?
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
oh yeah, I thought maggot had a breastfeeding fetish…
I’m so easily misunderstood.
Lorraine Kelly has me taped.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
‘Lorraine Kelly has me taped’ – what an image
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
I told you morgor, I work 13 and a half hour shifts. Very few of them admittedly.
But that’s because I want to be involved in my kids’ lives.
(something about horses and apple-tarts)
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
‘Lorraine Kelly has me taped’
I WOULDN’T want to see her growler…
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
“I hope Nonny’s kids are off getting touched right this very second.”
Fuck you, you prick. Lots of people agreed with me here, you bastard.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
And let me apologise for being serious. I went out for a bit and never pressed F5 when I got back.
More flaps, jugs and bondage please.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
Johnny 5:Way to get a reaction….. straight for the jug-ular…
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
I drove to collect my 8 year old from school and realized it’s not what Nonny said but the way she said it. And on such a sensitive blog as this one, where people are so caring. So the fucking fuck was guilty on 12 counts over three years. On average once every three months, and maybe the first times whilst he was grooming her, were not as grossly abusive in some perverse way. My point is that with the grooming and the coercion, it is totally credible that the child’s attitude would not have changed in any dramatic or noticeable way to the parents. So Nonny, it was a reasonable and thought provoking point but made in a confrontational way, which the sensitive souls on this blog reacted to.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Emm, I’m a fella maggot – hence the longing for boobs, and the absence of boobs. And, hence the XY.
Really don’t think chicks fantasise about having soapy boobs. Do ye Jo?
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Fuck them all Nonny!
Taking advice from someone who isn’t a parent is like voting Yes in the Referendum. Pay them no heed.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:37 pm
“They’ll tell me every detail about what goes on in their classes if I let them, -so I let them.”
Good for you Monkey Balls.
Women are like that too. You have to let your lady bladder on about how the dress she has been eyeing up for nine weeks now has gone from €350 down to €150 but she thinks it will go to €100 before next week or how she nags you to go for a check up or how she wants to pluck your nose hair out and does the ears really fast at the same.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:37 pm
Don’t rise to those ones, Nonny, just let them float on by, like poo on the tide…
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:39 pm
Something you want to talk about there HM? Seemed like a bit of a rant/spleen vent.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
Ah no not at all, I mean I’m very chilled these days, I’ve learned the hard way. I’m like a Crocodile with those little birds feeding off his teeth.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
lady bladder?
-I think you’ll win more support using the modern term, which is ‘Golden Shower’.
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Shudder
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:58 pm
You mean ‘Shuther’, surely?
June 12th, 2008 @ 3:59 pm
Em not to be pedantic/ a bitch about this but Nonny doesn’t have any children.
June 12th, 2008 @ 4:04 pm
On point, nobody here diagrees that parents need to take responsibility for parenting and the welfare for their kids, I would take that slightly further and say as part of a community we should take some responsibility for others as well. However, Nonnys first post was a reaction without knowing the facts adn a lash out the parents, without knowing them well enough to comment.
If you were to study a cross section of abuse cases, of the age group we see here , you will find most parents had taken precautions without being overly protective. I think the problem with the people here is they are viewing this from their perspective, they understand little about the devious underhand way that these predators work, and the time they take to groom victims so as to protect themselves. These are generally not single offenders, they are systematically and repeatedly doing this to children and have honed their skills for years. Very few who are caught are first time offenders, just the first time they are caught. That is what makes the sentencing more insane, because this man will no doubt do something again. Do not divert the issue to the parents unless they were actually negligent.
June 12th, 2008 @ 4:07 pm
“You mean ‘Shuther’, surely?”
An old English or Welsh family?
Or some weird other shit that opened up loads of scary windows on my mac!
June 12th, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
Where is everyone? Am I Legend?
June 12th, 2008 @ 4:42 pm
New thread again, HM.
June 12th, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
Better get back to work for a bit anyway, that heart and lungs won’t transplant themselves!
June 12th, 2008 @ 5:04 pm
It did go very quiet very suddenly on this thread and the new one. Bit eerie in here now.
June 12th, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
*******tumbleweed**********
June 12th, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
All their mammies have called them in for their tea.
June 12th, 2008 @ 5:25 pm
Yeah! one of our neighbours kids used to try camouflage himself in with us for tea if we were having burgers and chips that night. Worked sometimes, he’d bunch up with us at the back door, four grey jumpers looked like three in a hurry.
June 12th, 2008 @ 6:12 pm
Admittedly I have not read through ALL of the previous 188 entries but somewhere in there was a query about CPS and its workings. The first thing they do when they receive details of such a case is to apportion what they consider a fair budget to proceed with it. If the case comes in on, or even better, below budget then the relevant boxes are ticked and the case officers are praised. However if it comes in over budget then the Home office suggests to the case officer that his, or her, parents may wish to be married. CPS case officer then chats with the defence, who is probably on legal aid, which is paid for by you and me, so he or she couldn’t give a momnkeys about the budget. During this chat, the defence brief, knowing about the financial constraints put on the CPS, suggests that his client will plead guilty to a lesser charge but will plead not guilty to the original charge, knowing that this will lead to a full blown trial with jurors, barristers and the CPS budget going to rat shit. The CPS agree to this and; they end with a successful prosecution so that box is ticked; the case comes in on or below budget so that box is ticked and the case officer can add one more victory to his CV. The defence brief is happy knowing that his client had the best deal he could get; the holiday in the Carribean has just been paid for by the taxpayer and a shed load of business cards will be distributed inside the nick the client goes to. Everyone is therefore happy. What’s that you say? Justice has not been best served for the victim? Good grief – you don’t actually think the British Criminal Justice System is run for the benefit of victims of crime do you? You’ll be feeding kittens to your kids next!
June 12th, 2008 @ 10:24 pm
Nonny, children, when they’re ashamed or scared are the best little actors in the world. They can carry on as if nothing in the world is troubling them. Many’s the good parent who has missed a severe case of abuse in their own children. Their best friends never notice anything wrong, their teachers, noone. Children absorb blows completely – blows that would shatter an adult – and the cracks will sometimes not show up for years after they’ve stopped being children. These are facts.
When those parents realize what has happened to their child, there aren’t words to describe how guilty they feel. You are too harsh here, Nonny. Much much too harsh.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:00 pm
This is a terrible case, and I don’t understand how the sentence was so low. I know the judges are tied by legislation and precedents, but how could a sentence that low be right – in law, and morally? It is just repugnant. Especially when crimes against property or money seem to get far higher sentences (from my limited knowledge of news items).
Who knows what happened, or what circumstances led to the poor kid falling prey to this evil git. I mean this guy could’ve had a kid who was friends with the little girl – would anyone seriously suggest that a kid shouldn’t be allowed to go to her friend’s house? Or as someone else said, maybe he did the parents a favour in minding her once, and everything seemed fine, and they grew to trust him. As many have said, these sick people seem to be experts in getting both kids and – almost more importantly – adults to trust them. Because we operate from a more normal perspective, we don’t suspect the worst, we don’t think someone who seems nice and helpful and caring is just a sick fuck lying in wait to abuse that trust. I feel so sorry for the little girl, and her parents too. But I think it would be a truly awful society if we all operated on the basis that no-one was to be trusted, and instilled that fear into children. Imagine growing up automatically thinking that you couldn’t trust anyone, ever – that would ruin every relationship in later life, and make people constantly fearful and unhappy. And that is not a happy place to be. A reasonable balance is required – and that simply can’t include wrapping kids up and preventing them from attending social activities and engaging with other kids. It is so sad that parents have to worry about these things, but no parent can be with their kids 24/7, and surely all any parent can do is take reasonable precautions and talk to their kids – create an environment where they know that any adults asking kids to “keep a secret” is not good, and that they can tell their parents things without fear. There has to be a balance between precautions/fear for your child, and a teaching kids how to engage an form relationships.
Open to correction on this, but doesn’t a lot of abuse occur in the home/by a close relative? Surely that is at least as worrying as ‘The Fear’ of strangers.
June 12th, 2008 @ 11:41 pm
To Occasional Blogger
I think you’re referring to the prosecution service in Britain?
I don’t the Irish system works like that, thank God.
June 13th, 2008 @ 12:14 am
But so right about most abuse by a close relative
June 13th, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
Sheesh, you’re right, most abuse is done by someone the family know very well, by a relative of the child, or someone that’s so close a family friend, they seem like relatives to the child. Especially at that age.
June 18th, 2008 @ 1:31 pm
what a fuckin rotten world we live in.