What do you have to do to get sacked?

Posted on | May 8, 2008 | 161 Comments

So we have a new Taoiseach, a man with a face so rubbery the makers of Spitting Image couldn’t do him justice with one of their puppets.

We’ve had a bit of a cabinet reshuffle. A folk singer as Tánaiste, Battman is now the Minister for Education, the limp handshake of Seamus Brennan is gone and in order to shake up the health service the new boss man has sacked Mary Harney and brought in somebody capable of doing the job.

Shit. Erm, wait a second. No. She’s still there. The woman who has presided over scandal after scandal in our health service, who allows beaurocracy to rule the roost in the HSE, under whose watch people have died in corridors, died waiting for treatment, been told they don’t have cancer then told ‘Hang on a sec! It’s your lucky day. You do have cancer!’, contracted all kinds of superbugs which arise from lack of basic hygiene in our hospitals and generally made people more afraid of being sick than they would be of the dreaded WereRice (that mythical beast that would play you his songs on his guitar before tearing your throat out with his fangs) is still in the job she is doing so spectacularly badly.

What the fuck? Were any one of us to mismanage in such a fashion, to be so blatantly crap at our job, we’d be through our disciplinary process and out the fucking door before you could blink. So what has Mary Harney got on Ahern and Cowen that allows her to keep her job?

Are there incriminating pictures from the Cabinet Christmas Party? Is she some kind of witch and has put a spell on them? Do FF really need the PDs that badly?

Under Bertie’s watch we saw standards in the health service decline during a period of great prospertity. With belts being tightened already how the fuck is Mary Harney going to make things any better? If she couldn’t do it when there was cash flowing how is she going to do it now? Cowen had a chance to acknowledge that under the previous administration things were wrong and could be improved. He shafted Mary Hanafin, thankfully, and perhaps things will improve in the Department of Education.

He wasn’t brave enough to get rid of Harney though and unfortunately the effects of her reign as Monster of Health are affecting people every single day in this country.

Mistake number 1, Biffo, and sadly, for some people, it’s going to fatal.

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161 Responses to “What do you have to do to get sacked?”

  1. Darragh
    May 8th, 2008 @ 9:22 am

    Of course then the question is who would take her place?

  2. Twenty Major
    May 8th, 2008 @ 9:23 am

    It’s a good question. I think ‘Someone Else’ would be a good candidate.

  3. Johnny5
    May 8th, 2008 @ 9:35 am

    I like Cowen and am A Fianna Fail voter but christ he’s made a massive mistake here.

    It may have been a case whereby no other cunt wanted to take the job.

  4. chuntzu
    May 8th, 2008 @ 9:36 am

    “He shafted Mary Hanafin, thankfully” – I too am thankful that he took on this onerous task, a tub of KY Jelly and the best fluffers in the business couldn’t get me to do this job.

    Clearly he’s got the balls for the business; with his stick in his hand Biffo will make us all hurl (Aussie word usage at work here)!

  5. Anto
    May 8th, 2008 @ 9:38 am

    It is the job from hell and he doesn’t want a good fianna failer ruined until he is ready to ruin them by giving the hospital pass that is the Health portfolio. Mary has her problems but I honestly think she is the one person who can sort it out as she has no party left and ignores all the lobbying shite from FFs around the country. Give her time and it will be sorted I think.

    *awaits anti Mary Harnet backlash from Brian*

  6. Nonny
    May 8th, 2008 @ 9:40 am

    You know something, why would anybody get sacked when Irish people just sit back and do nothing. I swear to God, they infuriate me with their cowardly bastardness. They go on and on about the health service, education, traffic etc but when ,oh when do they ever get off their fat arses and do anything? I mean seriously when has anybody here ever protested or wrote a letter or complained at all to a TD? People rip the piss out of French people but were anything that goes on here to happen in France there would be uproar. I mean look at that St Luke’s protest all the people who commented on the post you had and did anybody really bother their arse going? No, there was like 100 people (I kept an eye out for you but did not see you). And then look at the “big protest” about the health services in town a couple of weeks ago. The turn out was pitiful and that husband of that poor lady – who died as a direct result of an incompetent Government – was the only person to make an honest and commendable statement. Aside from his well-spoken talk, the rest of the speakers just aimlessly waffled and the only thing to become more apparent in the wake of their words of wisdom was their political agenda.

    If you want people sacked or even just to see accountability get off your arses boys and girls and do something constructive about it. Nobody will do anything because just like Mr Yeats said all those years ago and just like you and others highlighted in November, “Romantic Ireland is Dead and Gone”. All we have left is cowards with the “unless it directly affects my life” attitude. I am ashamed to be Irish.

  7. Dessiegee
    May 8th, 2008 @ 9:54 am

    There is nobody in FF willing to take on the health portfolio and it suits FF to let let the PD’s take the blame on this fine mess.

    Why the PD’s would want to be associated with this mess is beyond me. Is “The Minge” deluded in actually thinking she can sort this out.

    What do FF have over her that she is willing to readily take it up the ass, dont forget she came in handy when CJ needed a patsy to get him off a nasty hook.

    Oh yeah, last but not least, they’re all Uber Cunts…

  8. Xbox4NappyRash
    May 8th, 2008 @ 9:59 am

    It pains me to agree with you, but I do.

    While politics seems to have different rules to other jobs, Mary’s failures have been collossal.

    As is Cowan’s first.

  9. morgor the editor
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:06 am

    bureaucracy rather than beaurocracy.

    I believe I mentioned this word in a previous post as being a tricky bugger but obviously you weren’t listening.

    50 lines of “bureaucracy is a tricky bugger, but J5 is still a cunt” on my desk for 1pm.

  10. maggot
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:07 am

    Who knows what is going on between those two? Sobering thought though – Biffo and Rosánne making the beast with 2 backs.

  11. Twenty Major
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:09 am

    bureaucracy is a tricky bugger, but J5 is still a cunt
    bureaucracy is a tricky bugger, but J5 is still a cunt
    bureaucracy is a tricky bugger, but J5 is still a cunt
    bureaucracy is a tricky bugger, but J5 is still a cunt
    bureaucracy is a tricky bugger, but J5 is still a cunt

    x 10

  12. Ex-Pat
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:10 am

    Why start at the top? Why not sack the doctors/nurses directly responsible for wrong-doing, misdiagnosis? That poor child now without a healthy kidney…why look for Mary Harney’s head on a platter? Sack the people directly responsible – we wouldn’t be long cleaning up the health-service then. But no, much better to bang our chests and call for action that ain’t gonna happen, but it’s a safe option largely because of the points made by Nonny above.

  13. morgor the editor
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:16 am

    very good twenty, now don’t do it again or you’ll get transferred to the christian brothers school, and we all know what happens there. *makes finger in hole gesture*

  14. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:17 am

    I hope the entire health service all die in a barn fire, their noxious, wheat filled bodies sizzling and crackling and producing the kinds of emissions that a 20 year old Cortina would make. That’d be fucking sweet.

  15. maggot
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:19 am

    “bureaucracy is a tricky bugger, but J5 is still a cunt”

    J5 may be a cunt but at least he doesn’t go round quoting that awful mad old tosser yeats like the anti-christ nonny!

  16. Johnny5
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:20 am

    Cortinas went out of production in 1985

  17. Lorcan the Lion
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:29 am

    I hope Brian dies in a fire. Just after killing his own children and shooting his wife. That would be sweet. Because then he’d be a poor, downtrodden bastard because he killed himself and not an evil cunt because he didn’t.

  18. Declan
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:33 am

    I think the big problem with Health is no one else wants the job. It will only be when things improve that people will be willing to take the Health job. Mary can do whatever she wants and ironically the worse things get in the Health Service the safer her job is.

    I find it stranger that Martin Cullen survived. What has he done since he lost access to the Dept of Transports press release printer? Last time I saw or heard from him was when he walked into the Dail during the last cabinet reshuffle in 2007.

  19. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:40 am

    Johnny S – I copied that quote from what Twenty said about the Green Party. So take you moronic complaint up with him.

    Lorcan the Lion – good moniker, by the way – you’ll notice I’m generally avoiding responding to your comments. This is because frankly you’re not making much sense and I wouldn’t like to unwittingly stumble into an online argument with a retarded boy.

  20. Lorcan the Lion
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:45 am

    I don’t give a shit if you respond or not but as your opinion of the people who comment here is so low it would hardly be unwitting if you were to ‘stumble into an argument’ with a ‘retarded boy’, would it?

  21. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:46 am

    Brian, are you this unpopular in real life too? Do you spend a lot of time alone, thinking up cutting remarks to make at people and then wondering why you have no friends?
    The best time to analyse this is when you are laying on your dank pillow at night, recounting the day’s brilliant put-downs to yourself.
    That creeping feeling of horror that you keep pushing away… that’s the dawning realisation that you are a sap and all alone in life.

  22. morgor the amused
    May 8th, 2008 @ 10:47 am

    I wouldn’t like to unwittingly stumble into an online argument with a retarded boy.

    hehe, you’re a cunt but thats pretty good.

  23. B
    May 8th, 2008 @ 11:22 am

    FF members would all probably be still terrified of sacking ministers after the albert reynolds’ debacle of 93(i think).

  24. Pants Man
    May 8th, 2008 @ 11:37 am

    Mary Harney has to tighten her belt???

    I think Brian is quite funny. He is also a bit of a cunt. It’s also amusing the way people rise to him. Who needs to get a life?

    Huzzah for Brian.

  25. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 11:46 am

    [blushes, takes a bow]

    :)

  26. SAm crea
    May 8th, 2008 @ 11:56 am

    Brian yo never answered my question about how twenty was hoisted by his own pertard, and what the pertard was that he used to blow himself up (thank you google)

    Twenty, are we going to keep giving out about Harney for ever and ever and ever?

    I visited an elderly relative in hospital recently, and everthing was running fine, except it was the day of the march against the health service in dublin and every fifteen minutes all these hard working nurses and docs had to hear the radio sqwaking out reports of what a shit job they were all doing…

  27. Johnny5
    May 8th, 2008 @ 11:57 am

    Johnny S – I copied that quote from what Twenty said about the Green Party. So take you moronic complaint up with him.

    Firstly, it’s Johnny5, not Johnny S.

    Secondly, stick your face in a blender.

  28. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 11:59 am

    Sam, to be hoist by one’s own petard means to fall victim to a trap one set for someone else. In this instance, Twenty has made a career out of launching agressive, foul-mouthed attacks on people on the internet. I’ve now turned the tables on him and he’s run home crying with his tail between his legs.

  29. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:00 pm

    Good comeback, Johnny S.

  30. morgor the amused
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:01 pm

    I think this whole brian twenty showdown is going to have a happy ending.

    Think of Twenty as the stubborn recaltricent hero in the tale and Brian as the loose canon who wants to shake up the establishment.

    They start off as oppisites fighting each other then a grudging respect.

    Followed swiftly by lust.

    We could have jackie chan playing twenty and chris rock as brian.

  31. morgor the anal
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:03 pm

    recaltricent doesn’t seem to appear in any online dictionary but I’m sure its a word.

    Also I tend to spell opposites incorrectly.

    bureaucracy is a tricky bugger, but J5 is still a cunt
    bureaucracy is a tricky bugger, but J5 is still a cunt
    bureaucracy is a tricky bugger, but J5 is still a cunt
    bureaucracy is a tricky bugger, but J5 is still a cunt
    bureaucracy is a tricky bugger, but J5 is still a cunt

    x 10

  32. maggot
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:04 pm

    Doctors are arrogant bastards – think McCann, nurses are lazy cunts with chips on their shoulders because they aren’t doctors and the rest of health-care “workers” are wasters – with a few exceptions. Still, doesn’t excuse the rotten organisation.

    Brian – copyright infringing bastard!

  33. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:05 pm

    recalcitrant

  34. maggot
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:06 pm

    I’ve now turned the tables on him

    Only in your own mind.

  35. morgor the anal
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:07 pm

    Ah, that would explain it.

    Cheers SG.

  36. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:08 pm

    “I’ve now turned the tables on him and he’s run home crying with his tail between his legs.”
    Wow, this poor boy has serious delusions of grandeur.
    I’m sorry I was so hard on him before. He needs to be handled with care.

  37. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:09 pm

    Brian, if you need someone to talk to, something bringing you down, just let it out. We are all here for you.

  38. maggot
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:10 pm

    Sean Penn would be my casting for Twenty and Phil Collins for Brian.

  39. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:10 pm

    “Only in your own mind”

    Oh yeah, well where’s Twenty right now then? Read back through threads, he only weights in when he thinks he can land a punch.

    Its been quite a while.

  40. SAm crea
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:11 pm

    twenty I hope you dont get excited, and accidentally post a brian comment as Twenty or vice versa… you dual personality freak..

  41. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:11 pm

    I would see them as Christopher Walken and Philip Seymour Hoffman

  42. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:16 pm

    Sam – Twenty doesn’t have the wit, the prose or the vocabulary to be me. Also, if he was going to stage a fight, he’d probably stage one in which he was winning, not one in which he was being so roundly thrashed.

  43. morgor the anal
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:17 pm

    How about the screaming panicky guy (he always plays the same character, he had an alien in him in alien 4, and he had to wear the knife cock thing in se7en) for Brian and the “i dunno boss” guy from Desperado who is white rather than mexican and has a big moustache and a cowboy hat for twenty.

    Two of the best actors of our generation. no questions asked.

  44. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:17 pm

    BRIAN. STOP. Nobody is being thrashed. That isn’t happening. You are seriously messed up. Have you, by any chance, suddenly stopped taking medication?

  45. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:18 pm

    Supergrover – you assume I’m some embittered loser. I can see how that would make sense but still only a guess and, as it happens, you’re wrong. My motivation is 100% to do with what Twenty said about that Wexford case.

  46. SAm crea
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:19 pm

    regular posters here have actually noticed he always goes missing of an afternoon… we used to joke about what he may be doing… Do you remember that lads?

    JOKING!!!

    It used to be fun.

  47. SAm crea
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:20 pm

    check out the prose in coment 45…

  48. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:20 pm

    Mogor – can you post a jpeg of the panicky guy, I can’t place him.
    Maggot – Phil Collins!? FFS!

  49. Peadar
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:26 pm

    Brian, why are you taking the Clonroche thing so personally? Have you in the past gone bonkers and killed your wife and kids? Did the shotgun jamb when you tried to blow off your own head?

  50. maggot
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:27 pm

    It was Phil Collins, Harold Shipman or Gary Glitter – but Collins got the nod Brian.

    But Twenty is a dead ringer for Sean Penn.

  51. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:27 pm

    Brian, just went back and read it. The theme seems to be that if you kill your own kids you’re a cunt. And that it is hard to imagine how anyone could commit such an act. Had a scan for your name in the comments but couldn’t find any.
    Still none the wiser.

  52. morgor the researcher
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:29 pm
  53. Dessiegee
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:48 pm

    Hey Brian, what is your problem with what was posted on the wexford murder/suicide. It’s just an opinion.

    I dont agree with this opinion myself but I understand why people would have this opinion. I would’nt be holding a grudge or starting a hate campaign whenever somebody expresses an opinion that is contrary to my own. Lifes to short to risk ending up a bitter and twisted cunt.

    Lastly if you do feel a need to vent you should check out Nailerzzzzz bebo site – I’m sure he’d love the witty wise cracks

  54. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:48 pm

    Yeah, do go back and re-read it. Because it’s utterly despicable.

    Firstly, note Twenty’s use of bland, editorial language in the first two paragraphs. This is the set-up for the punchline which comes at the end of the second paragraph in which he calls Diarmud Flood a cunt.

    He said cunt. Wow.

    Bear in mind also that this tragedy had just happened and Twenty’s thesis rested entirely on speculation. Even pond scum like the Evening Herald would at least send a reporter to the scene before publishing intrusive, insensitive and exploitative reports on a human tragedy.

    Notice also how Twenty repeats the childrens ages (“five and six”) throughout to ratchet up the emotion. This is a bog standard tactic of tabloid scum. If these same children grew up to break his back window playing football or (God forbit) join the Green Party he’d be using the same forum to wish violent death upon them.

    In the first comment after his piece, someone called Gluaistean posits the theory that this might have something to do with the fact that we now live in a Godless society. I don’t agree with that, but it is a valid comment. After all, without God, human life can be valued, but it cannot be sacred.

    Incredibly, considering what has gone before it, Twenty jumps on this guy and accuses him of being insensitive.

  55. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:50 pm

    “Leland Orser”

    The resemblance is uncanny.

  56. Lorcan the Lion
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:53 pm

    So, based on that, is there some reason why you haven’t confined your comments to that particular thread? Because going on and on and on about day after day in threads which have no relevance to the one you’re all pissed off about just makes you look like a sad bastard.

    What makes you so important that the people that come to this site are being forced to listen to your opinion over and over again? You expect Twenty to talk to you or to argue with you but frankly you don’t have the manners of a two year old. You insult him, the site, his book, the readers, the people who comment here, yet you wonder why you’re being ignored.

    Grow the fuck up, Brian.

  57. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:55 pm

    Good boy, Lorcan.

  58. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:56 pm

    Me, I go to Irish Times for dispassionate fact based journalism, Dunnes for jocks and socks and here for personalised and often bombastic viewpoints. And to get a giggle out of Monkey Balls et al…

  59. Lorcan the Lion
    May 8th, 2008 @ 12:57 pm

    Answer the question, Brian. If you can.

  60. Tinman18
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:03 pm

    He doesn’t answer serious questions, Lorcan. He hasn’t answered mine from 2 days ago or Lucy’s from yesterday. He just waits till you use a swear word and then patronises you. If you hadn’t ended your post with grow the fuck up he’d have ignored you altogether.

  61. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:03 pm

    Oh Lorcan, you do amuse me. I ignored your questions because the answers were too obvious to be bothered typi9ng.

    I’m continuing the beef with Twenty because I now have a personal grudge against him. For every one of his minions who retaliate against me, I’m hoping there are one or two others reading this who think “Fucking hell, this guy might just be onto something…”

    As for why I continue when I’m being igored. Yeah, that might have sounded better if it hadn’t come at the end of a 200 word post about me. Now go back to your train set, good lad.

  62. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:04 pm

    Oh Christ, what was your question so Tinman and I’ll answer it? Lucy’s too if you have it to hand.

  63. Tinman18
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:04 pm

    See, Lorcan?

  64. Tinman18
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:05 pm

    You’re the one so clever at copying comments from previous posts. Go back and have a look.

  65. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:05 pm

    Brian, did you think you were going to cut a swathe through this site, enlightening those poor lambs who frequented here, dazzled by the c word, using your self-proclaimed skills of prose and vocabulary to shine a harsh light on the vanity and silliness of the whole pursuit?
    Well, you had a go. Fair play. But you met some people who don’t need it. Thanks. Your message is now across. We get it.
    So now maybe join in without being a negative prick all the time or fuck off. Just a suggestion.

  66. Peadar
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:08 pm

    …..because I now have a personal grudge against him.

    Why?

  67. RandomNoise
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:08 pm

    Here, every day for the last few these threads are starting to look very same old, same old. The blog posts (regardless of one’s opinion of them) used to be a jumping off point for discussion, slagging and funny obscenity. Them’s were the days.

    Brian – “without God, human life can be valued, but it cannot be sacred” – dunno about that, seems an atheist still values the human machine as the pinacle of a stunning natural process, and could be considered sacred.

    Maggot – doctors are not lazy cunts, some are, but that’s just people, some nurses are excellent, but all are working in an environment where they are encouraged not to think.

    Reckon Harney was kept to keep the blame away from FF, and to make the government look like it digs coalition.

  68. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:11 pm

    Oh, right, you’re a god botherer?? Thanks RN, I had not spotted that.
    Explains all. Delusional.

  69. SAm crea
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:12 pm

    Mary coughlan as Tainiste, and all the big spiel about his family and wife and all, Is biffo going after the womans vote would you think???

  70. Dessiegee
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:12 pm

    Brian, I’ve just re read the thread and I still dont agree with what was expressed by Twenty and a lot of people. I expressed an opinion on the day that there is no sense to be made out of the situation and I moved on.

    You have a bee in your bonnet about somebody expressing an opinion you dont agree with. You’ve expressed your opposition to this opinion and now the rest of us have to rehash the whole thread all over again.

    Get over yourself and start your own blog where you have total control over the wit, the prose and the vocabulary content. Honestly Brian, I would check out your blogg, but please stop shitting all over somebody else’s blog like an autistic savant with scatological issues

  71. RandomNoise
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:14 pm

    Some very fucking funny donegal-ers on the news last night. Fair play to RTE for finding the biggest mentalists in the county and sticking them on TV. “It’s the best thing to ever happen to the county” they said.

    They may actually be right.

  72. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:17 pm

    What about wee Daniel? This hardly pushes him into 2nd place.

  73. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:17 pm

    Tinman – I’ve had a look, can’t find your question. Can you at least tell me what thread its in?

    RandomNoise – sacred means pertaining or connected to a supreme deity. If there’s no God nothing can be considered sacred.

    Peadar – connection to Wexford tragedy.

    SuperGrover – fair point, I’ll consider fucking off soon.

  74. maggot
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:18 pm

    Maggot – doctors are not lazy cunts,

    I didn’t say they were !

    “Doctors are arrogant bastards – think McCann”

    And I did qualify it with “with a few exceptions.”

  75. Rob
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:20 pm

    I am not having an argument about the Health Service again.

    Twenty, you are being a lazy bastard with the Harney Bashing, she has been trying to get work-practice changes in the Health Service for years, but every time, they yell “STrike” and all the fucking hug-monkeys come out and tell us how great the nurses are.

    They are great, but they are also heavily fucking unionised, won’t budge an inch, I’ll wash my hands when I feel like it people occasionally.

    Can I also register a huge rise in my personal mirth level when Brian posited the theory that people are going to be thinking “Hey this guy is on to something”

    “Twenty writes lazy blog” is hardly an earth shattering.

    I think that for every person that attacks you here Brian, there are about 15 more that are thinking “What an asshole, but best not to engage him”

    Well 14, given that I have just done it.

  76. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:21 pm

    Rob, I like the word ‘posited’. Something pleasing about it.

  77. maggot
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:24 pm

    A touch of class from Rob SG – Brian will be jealous!

  78. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:27 pm

    Rob – I said I hoped that was the case. Obviously, I could be wrong.

  79. Tinman18
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:29 pm

    My question is in post number 97 in the “How much do you care about Global Warming” thread.

    Anyone who goes and looks there might be interested in Brian’s comment number 78.

  80. RandomNoise
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:29 pm

    Sorry maggot – did miss read that.

    Brian – does “sacred” not also have an additional meaning of being entitled to respect and protection? Is it only ever used in relation to a deity? Always though it could be used for non-god reasons too. “If there’s no god nothing can be considered sacred” sounds like one of the arguments used against Dawkins and his ilk, and one which I always found a bit empty.

  81. RandomNoise
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:30 pm

    Sorry shit – “always thought”, not always though. Stupid fingers.

  82. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:31 pm

    Brian, there is no such thing as god.

  83. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:31 pm

    Sorry all, I shouldn’t be provoking. But it’s true.

  84. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:34 pm

    And you god types think that you have the monopoly on spirituality.
    Remember – Religion is the hijacking of spirituality for political gain.

  85. Twenty Major
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:34 pm

    At what point does somebody like Brian become spam and treated as such?

    Here, every day for the last few these threads are starting to look very same old, same old. The blog posts (regardless of one’s opinion of them) used to be a jumping off point for discussion, slagging and funny obscenity. Them’s were the days.

    How many others now have a pain in their gooch with all this? Brian, if you have something to say to me, send it by email.

    Otherwise stop turning every thread on this blog into your own childish ‘Look how smart I am’, patronising, vendetta.

  86. RandomNoise
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:36 pm

    I do have quite a tender gooch.

  87. maggot
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:39 pm

    RandomNoise,

    sacred
    Adjective
    1. exclusively devoted to a god or gods; holy
    2. connected with religion or intended for religious use: sacred music
    3. regarded as too important to be changed or interfered with: sacred principles of free speech
    4. sacred to dedicated to: the site is sacred to Vishnu [Latin sacer holy]

  88. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:40 pm

    The gooch stings me something terrible. I still think we can turn Brian around in the way that he though he was going to do to us. What a twist! If the other shite keeps up, I would call it trolling.

  89. Peadar
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:41 pm

    Brian, the comment Tinman refers to is an excellent one. Conveniently ignored, eh?

  90. RandomNoise
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:42 pm

    Maggot – so does that support me (number 3)? Cheers. I’m assuming it does.

  91. Monkey Balls
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:42 pm

    Yes indeed Rob, ‘“What an asshole, but best not to engage him”
    Now if I thought there was any hope that I might garner a witty riposte from the miserable tosser, I might be tempted.
    But I’m not.

  92. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:43 pm

    RN: I think colloquially ‘sacred’ could be used in that way. As in, my mother’s brown bread recipe is sacred. But strictly speaking the word cannot be seperated from its religious meaning.

    I don’t believe in God either SG, so I’m not sure what your point is.

    Tinman: sorry I died of boredom about two lines into. Rephrase the question in a more concise fashion and I’ll consider responding to it.

    Re: my post at no. 77 on that thread. Holy shit, I must have been drunk. I have no recollection of posting that whatsoever. Still, its much less embarrassing than Twenty’s lame response to it.

    Next time you wanna insult me Twenty, may I suggest: “I heard you got a brain transplant and the brain rejected you!”

  93. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:46 pm

    Brian – “without God, human life can be valued, but it cannot be sacred”
    were you misquoted?
    Actually, based on your last post, don’t bother answering.
    I officially join the ranks of ‘it just encourages him’
    frommmmm…..
    3.. 2.. 1.. now

  94. maggot
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:46 pm

    Indeed it does Random Noise.

    Brian is flaming – no reasonable person could blame Twenty for banning the cunt as he’s only here to cause trouble and spoil the site which others enjoy.

  95. Dessiegee
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:49 pm

    Brian, By any chance are you an only child?

  96. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:49 pm

    Tell you what Tinman, I’ll give you a short answer. When you’re clever, you don’t need to put any work into being clever. When you’re not clever, you do. And even when you do put a lot of effort into it you still often come across like a child with a mouthful of words he doesn’t quite understand.

    The John Gormley post took me about five seconds to put together.

  97. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:53 pm

    Dessiegee, I come from a large family.

    SG: “Without God, human life can be valued, but it cannot be sacred”. This implies that I believe in God how exactly?

  98. Tinman18
    May 8th, 2008 @ 1:53 pm

    That’s exactly my point, Brian. It was all what you think of as cleverness, with no sense of humanity at all.

  99. morgor the researcher
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:00 pm

    Brian – too many posts. sssshhhh.

    If a gooch is a part of your anatomy between your testicles and your asshole, is gucci an adjective for something like that?

    ie “Fabulous jacket, is it goochey?”

  100. Monkey Balls
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:00 pm

    Brian, the vulgarity of truth must never be allowed impede the sanctity of comedy. This is not the blog you were looking for.

    Print that out on sandpaper, and stick it up your hole!

  101. Brian
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:01 pm

    My hole, Tinman. As it happens I care a great deal about what happened in Wexford. Its Twenty doesn’t give a shit about those people. If he did he wouldn’t have weighed in the way he did and used the incident as fodder for his outraged cartoon character he has created for this blog.

    Almost all of you have alluded at some point or other to the fact this site is not to be taken seriously. If that’s the case then why wade into a tragedy that had just happened to real people in such a monumentally insensitive way.

  102. Tinman18
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:02 pm

    Jesus, Morgor, is that what it means?

    What’s the story with Colin the Gooch Cooper then?

  103. RandomNoise
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:04 pm

    Nah – surely then a Guuci jacket is one made from pieces of gooch sewn together.

    Coopers gooch is just very large, I’ve heard. He’d be worth a fortune on the rag trade black market.

  104. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:05 pm

    i’ve a scab on me prada

  105. Monkey Balls
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:06 pm

    See the way I did that Brian, eh?

    You don’t fully understand what you’re dealing with here.

    You will feel the wrath of my bombast if you don’t just fuck off.

  106. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:06 pm

    and i weeping sore on my fendi

  107. morgor the researcher
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:07 pm

    eh? never heard of “Colin the Gooch Cooper”.

    What’s that from?

    A cooper makes barrels, if I recall correctly, that would mean barrels made out of treated gooches I would logically assume.

  108. Tinman18
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:10 pm

    Your hole right back, Brian. You took the incident and used it to make a point.

    I’ve no doubt that you care a great deal about Clonroche. Every one does. There are 2 schools of thought whenever anyone commits suicide – pity for the despair of the person, and anger at their selfishness. Those emotions are usually felt at the same time by the same people. With familicide the feelings are even stronger, as shown by the many comments for and against Twenty that day. The fact that his anger at the death of the children outweighed any sympathy he may have felt for Diarmuid Flood does not mean that he “doesn’t give a shit”.

    Both of you cared about what happened, just not in the same way.

  109. RandomNoise
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:12 pm

    GAA fella, Morgor – plays for Kerry, bit of a hero.

  110. Tinman18
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:12 pm

    He plays for Kerry, Morgor the obviously-not-a-gah-man.

  111. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:13 pm

    I thought he was an English cricketer

  112. Maria
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:14 pm

    Brian..
    What is your problem..Frequent reader but not poster..I enjoy comming here to read the blog and read all the comments.Im not here for a moral lesson.So please get off your high horse and go on some other crusade that might be actually worthy of your self proclamied talent with the written word.

  113. Monkey Balls
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:18 pm

    Morgor, fancy a pint? I just got a nice ounce of hash, and I the goo on me for a few outdoor pints.

    Same time, same place?

  114. SAm crea
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:19 pm

    JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! This is like some meeting for anal retentives. And Brian if you come back with some rejoinder about what a fucking anal retentive is, and how i have used it in the wrong context, then I am going to interent surf over to your house and fucking give you a Real anal problem.

  115. Monkey Balls
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:19 pm

    Guess the missing word?

  116. SAm crea
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:20 pm

    Monkey Balls, by the way, your new blog seems to be infuriatingly slow.. Or is it just me… Way to slow to be commenting on. Maybe the big fancy backdrop is slowing it down??

  117. RandomNoise
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:20 pm

    Fist?

  118. Dessiegee
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:20 pm

    Brian – A Large family, you say – were there not enough hugs to go around. Did you find the only way to get attention was to be offensive and swing from the “in your face” attitute to the “I’m bored with all of you” attitude.

  119. morgor - not GAA man not even a sportsman.
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:25 pm

    Hey MB, got too much stuff to do this week so won’t be able for pints til next week at least i’m afraid. so very afraid.

    Pinting mid-week is almost a thing of the past for me now. *sob*

  120. Johnny5
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:27 pm

    That Christ for Monkey Balls.

    Has that cunt stuck his face in a blender like I told him to? He fucking better have or I’m going to stick his face in a fucking blender, the cunt.

  121. Johnny5
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:27 pm

    That/Thank whats the difference?

  122. Tinman18
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:28 pm

    RN, I can’t say I’d recommend just typing “Fist?” and sending that out over the Internet.

    If I were an astrologist I’d say you’re about to meet a lot of tall, dark strangers.

  123. morgor - not GAA man not even a sportsman.
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:32 pm

    with big hands.

  124. morgor - not GAA man not even a sportsman.
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:32 pm

    big eager unlubricated hands.

  125. Twenty Major
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:32 pm

    Dark knuckled, at the very least.

  126. Monkey Balls
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:38 pm

    Sorry SAm. I’ll look into it, but I’m on a day off today. I’m in the early stages of a quest to get hammered.

    My blog is pretty shite anyway. Don’t waste your time. I have no fuckin’ idea what I’m doing, and I’m too lazy/stoned/drunk/stupid to make it any better. But I have got an idea.

    Oh yes.

  127. Sligo Knacker
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:39 pm

    “What the fuck? Were any one of us to mismanage in such a fashion, to be so blatantly crap at our job, we’d be through our disciplinary process and out the fucking door before you could blink.”

    Twenty, haven’t you heard of the public service?

  128. SAm crea
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:41 pm

    i dont need booze or drugs today, I am drinking lovely fair trade(sorry) organic (sorrier) coffee, that was (I think) ground in the vaginas of Columbian virgins…

    mmmmm

    Virgins…

  129. RandomNoise
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:45 pm

    Wait no – let me explain….

    114 – SAm threatens to internet surf and cause anal problems, a la Nailerzzz
    115 – Monkey Balls asks to guess the missing word
    117 – I guess, a la Nailerzzz, that it’s fist.

    Really? That’s not what MB was getting at? It wasn’t a taking over territory with fist reference?

    Man, egg on my face.

  130. Johnny5
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:46 pm

    The thing about Virgins is that they have never had sex before.

    I just thought I better get this in before Brian came in to inform us.

  131. Monkey Balls
    May 8th, 2008 @ 2:46 pm

    Thank you Sligo Knacker, for reminding us all of the original post.

    Tell me, are you a boy or a girl knacker? They say you get the best ride off a knacker.

    Other’s think you get it off his wife.

  132. SAm crea
    May 8th, 2008 @ 3:15 pm

    Random, you were both right on the money. I wanted to use the nailerz ref but was too lazy to go back through old posts…

  133. SAm crea
    May 8th, 2008 @ 3:15 pm

    no egg on yo face Bruv!

  134. Peadar
    May 8th, 2008 @ 3:16 pm

    I never get to drink during the week anymore.
    Friday, Saturday & Sunday = consume as much bulmers/red wine/vodka as possible.
    Monday = stare blankly at computer screen while pretending to work/read twentys blog.
    Tuesday-Friday work like a bastard to make up for monday/read twenty’s blog.

    MB you’re a jammy bastard

  135. organdonor
    May 8th, 2008 @ 3:17 pm

    Knacker Rides..

    The forbidden fruit,unless your a male relative of course..
    Smell off them though..

  136. Peadar
    May 8th, 2008 @ 3:27 pm

    If your going to ride a knacker firstly follow these insructions carefully.
    1 – remove all of knackers cloths
    2 – hold knacker with one ankle in each hand
    3 – walk in to shower (which should all ready be turned on at most powerfull setting)
    4 – hold knackers ankles apart and allow powerfull jet of water to penetrate untill overflowing occurs.
    5 – empty and repeat at least 10 times
    6 – ride the hole off her

  137. morgor the jester
    May 8th, 2008 @ 3:28 pm

    An 18 year-old girl tells her Mum that she has missed her period for two months.

    Very worried, the mother goes to the Chemist and buys a pregnancy kit.

    The test result shows that the girl is pregnant.

    Shouting, cursing, crying, the mother says, ‘Who was the pig that did this to you? I want to know!’

    The girl picks up the phone and makes a call. Half an hour later a Ferrari stops in front of their house; a mature and distinguished man with grey hair and impeccably dressed in an Armani suit steps out of the Ferrari and enters the house.

    He sits in the living room with the father, mother, and the girl and tells them:
    ‘Good morning, your daughter has informed me of the problem. I can’t marry her because of my personal family situation but I’ll take charge.
    I will pay all costs and provide for your daughter for the rest of her life..

    Additionally, if a girl is born I will bequeath her 2 retail stores, a townhouse, a beachfront villa and a £2,000,000 bank account.

    If a boy is born, my legacy will be a couple of factories and a £4,000,000 bank account. If twins, they will receive a factory and £2,000,000 each.

    However, if there is a miscarriage, I’m not really sure what to do. What do you suggest?’

    At this point, the girls father, who had remained silent, places a hand firmly on the man’s shoulder and tells him,
    ‘You shag her again.’

  138. organdonor
    May 8th, 2008 @ 3:38 pm

    HAHAHA….

  139. Johnny5
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:07 pm

    morgor-the-shit-gag-regurgitating-wank-rag

  140. Rob
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:11 pm

    In golfing circles (circles being an apt collective, as most of them are round) a bad shot that inadvertently goes where aimed (having hit a tree, a rock, another golfer) is often compared to “a blo-job off a knacker”

    As in;

    you’ll take it but you won’t be telling anyone about it

  141. Holemaster
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:19 pm

    Quick note:

    Fianna Fail and Fine Gael both want to privatise the Health INDUSTRY completely.
    Goodbye socialist ideals, hello USA.

    What is happening now is they are preparing the system for a buyout. They will also push the private health market to make more people sign up and therefore make the whole thing even more attractive to buyers.

    Co-Location means the gradual phasing out of public hospitals.

  142. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:32 pm

    I miss Brian

  143. Holemaster
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:32 pm

    No more houses to build, roads nearly all done, what’s left for out fat bellied Pajero driving Bogger builders? Private Hospitals and Clinics, that’s what.

    What then after they’re done, oh maybe the Dublin Port?

  144. organdonor
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:36 pm

    Jesus Christ,its too late in the day for the bleeding obvious,holemaster…

    Now,back to blow jobs off of Pavees….

  145. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:38 pm

    I like the husky voices and the freckles. I SO would

  146. organdonor
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:40 pm

    PLus they have really strong necks from “Scoping for the shades” all the time..

  147. Dessiegee
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:40 pm

    I miss Brian too – I was building up to a great big collective hug to put him out of his misery – ah well, anybody else a couple of hugs short of well rounded personality?

  148. SuperGrover
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

    maybe Johnny S

  149. organdonor
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:43 pm

    He’ll be back… sigh..

  150. Dessiegee
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:46 pm

    SG – Would that be Johnny5 or Johnny S – Did Brian not make that very same mistake earlier, I put it to you Supergrover that you are in Fact not a cuddley charactor from sesame street but “BRIAN”

  151. Twenty Major
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:46 pm

    I think ‘grover was taking the mick, Dessie

  152. Dessiegee
    May 8th, 2008 @ 4:47 pm

    Shit, Hugs all round then….

  153. Monkey Balls
    May 8th, 2008 @ 7:31 pm

    I can’t believe nobody posted a link to this yet; http://tinyurl.com/5bqtwy

    Don’t mind the video. Listen to the song.

    You’re welcome.

  154. Eoin
    May 8th, 2008 @ 8:06 pm

    “He shafted Mary Hanafin, thankfully, and perhaps things will improve in the Department of Education.”
    Explain, please!

  155. Lucy
    May 8th, 2008 @ 9:41 pm

    Great song MB and fits the dweeb perfectly!

  156. Jo
    May 9th, 2008 @ 12:00 am

    morgor the endearing, if you read this, it’s recalcitrant,I think

  157. Pinkie
    May 9th, 2008 @ 12:37 am

    People who can’t manage a poo are the ones that are left in management whilst those who are capable are swept under the carpet. Happens in the smallest of businesses. Sad but true.

  158. Dr.JaneDoe
    May 11th, 2008 @ 2:22 am

    “Why start at the top? Why not sack the doctors/nurses directly responsible for wrong-doing, misdiagnosis? That poor child now without a healthy kidney…why look for Mary Harney’s head on a platter? Sack the people directly responsible – we wouldn’t be long cleaning up the health-service then. But no, much better to bang our chests and call for action that ain’t gonna happen, but it’s a safe option largely because of the points made by Nonny above.”

    Ex-Pat-that kind of “Fuck all the fucking evil rich doctors and bitch nurses, they’re shite and we should punich them for even existing” attitude is EXACTLY the reason why I, and several colleagues, trained at the Irish taxpayers expense, worked in Ireland for a couple of miserable, awful years and then wised up and left for Oz and NZ, not to return. The kind of adversarial, litigious punitive health system that we have in Ireland currently is partially responsible for why it is so shit. People are so incredibly afraid of making mistakes and so wary of saying anything that could possibly be construed as an admission that something went wrong that the patients and relatives never know the full story, and can never find out any information or reasons why something has happened. As a doctor, when my own father was in hospital, it was even worse. The staff knew that I would question things, one day, in the same hospital where I worked, my father was asking me to tell him what was happening, and I didn’t know, so I started looking at his Xrays. A nurse popped around, whipped it out of my hand, and started yelling at me that it was confidential and I had no business looking at it. I had to fight tooth and nail just to get any info at all. This is not the way it should be in healthcare.
    I work in NZ currently, and here a doctor or nurse cannot be sued or taken to court. There is a government funded body called the ACC (Accident Compensation Corporation) that compensates all victims of medical mishaps after a careful inquiry. This is beneficial for a number of reasons:
    1)The victim ALWAYS gets compensation and assistance and does not have to go through the stressful and expensive process of getting a lawyer, fighting to obtain medical records, going to court etc, after going through a traumatic event.
    2)Defensive medicine is not practiced-again, more beneficial to patients and less strain on finite resources.
    3)Less stress for doctors and nurses who can carry out their job without fear. It’s already stressful enough, you know. Death, sickness, anger, long hours all that, yeah?
    4)Better relations between patients and medical staff. You don’t guard your every word for fear you will be sued and dragged though the courts and papers. They in turn, know you will be honest and open with them.
    5) The above has a knock-on effect of creating a system of open disclosure and honesty. Where I work there is a Customer Service Dept and Patient Advocacy dept. Their sole job is to handle complaints, pull all relevant records, investigate what happened and arrange meetings between docs, nurses and patients to talk about things and answer questions.
    The healthcare system here is so amazingly good. It’s a pleasure to work in. Yes, there are some problems, but not like in Ireland. The hours are much better too-the longest shift I do here is only 15 hours long. I have done 50+ hours straight in Ireland with no sleep and no scheduled meal breaks, as part of an overall 100+ hour week. Mistakes happen in that kind of ridiculous environment. How could they not? Rather than malign the frontliners at every turn, why not look closer at why these things happen and try to fix them? The Irish healthcare service is riddled with error prone systems at every turn, and instead everyone says “no, that’s not it. It’s the staff. They’re all cunts” Well that solves nothing. Although it does give other countries with better sense some well trained Irish docs, which is at least beneficial for them!

  159. Ex-Pat
    May 11th, 2008 @ 1:45 pm

    In reply to Dr. Jane Doe…I wasn’t suggesting that ‘the staff are all cunts’ and I’m sorry if my post was interpreted as suggesting this. The system you describe in NZ sounds one to which the Irish health care system should aspire. From an outside viewpoint, it appears that there is no accountability and when its people’s lives at stake, I feel that there should be accountability. I think that Mary Harney’s head or whomever is not the answer because it obviously does not deal with the inherent ‘ridiculous environment’ which you describe (and which you’re qualified to describe, having worked in-it). And a further objective of my post was to instigate some intelligent dialogue on the issue (that did not materialize until your post!) I’m not advocating a litigious environment (I lived for 10-years in the US and saw the adverse consequences of this approach). Had I the experience of what you describe, this is something I would suggest – accountability at all levels and a structure that supports this. There’s no such structure in the Irish health care system.

  160. Dr.JaneDoe
    May 12th, 2008 @ 6:34 am

    There actually is-believe you me there is serious accountability in Ireland. Probably much more than in New Zealand. We live and work in fear in Ireland, all the time. Do you mean that you don’t get to see it? Believe me it’s there. I suspect what you mean is similar to what I was describing above, the victim and families want answers and to meet the doctor and get an explanation. That doesn’t happen much in Ireland, sadly. But terrible things happen to a doctor’s career and life if they fuck up in Ireland, you just don’t see it as a lay person sometimes. A junior I know of asked a man if he was allergic to any antibiotics. He said no. She administered the appropriate antibiotic for his condition. He had an anaphylactic reaction and died. She didn’t fuck up, but shit happens. And now her career is in tatters.

    That kidney being removed, while I don’t really know the ins and outs of that story-sounds to me like a systems error. Do you really think that surgeon did it out of cruelty? For fun? He certainly can’t be that incompetent if he removes a kidney, it’s a difficult op, especially in a child. So you have a highly trained, competent and ethical individual….who made a mistake. Instead of knee jerking and firing him, why not try to find out why this happened? Is there an inadequate pre-op checking protocol? Were the workload and caseload too high? Did another member of staff make a “left/right” error in the notes which he then followed rather than rechecking due to time constraints? did someone mark the wrong kidney on the patient? If you identify the source of the error in the system and correct it, you will save more patients all over the country from similar things. Make it a learning experience for everyone, and not a punitive shameful thing that is hidden away so no-one finds out about it after the person is “punished” for making a mistake.
    Unfortunately, too often the Irish confuse “accountability” with “being punished and made to pay”.
    Here in NZ-I am responsible for my actions as a doctor. But if something goes wrong I know that I and everyone involved will learn from it, take steps to prevent it in the future, teach others about this potential mistake and both I and my future patients stand to profit from it, rather than me being punished for being a “bad doctor who makes mistakes”. Hospitals are chaotic, messy places. Medicine is not an exact science. There are many grey areas. If this trend towards punitive accountability in Ireland continues, things will only get worse and worse.

  161. Ex-Pat
    May 12th, 2008 @ 10:01 am

    Your points are well-made and I agree totally. The accountability I advocate is one of checks and balances and honesty – not a witch-hunting. Mistakes do happen. It’s not apparent, from the outside (and I no longer live in Ireland (and thus rely on the sensationalist, personal opinion reporting that passes for journalism, with lots of finger-pointing and loud calls for heads on platters)) that doctors and nurses live in fear because they feel unprotected by a service that they give their lives to. My initial post on this was an attempt to get discussion starting with the doctors and nurses (you’ll forgive my emotive input (I hope), given that I am the mother of a 4-year old boy and am about to have another baby (due today)). Their voices are unheard. Unheard voices from the outside are interpreted as arrogance and not caring – not that they are afraid to open their mouths. It’s a sorry state, no doubt. I’m glad to have an informed, intelligent opinion though – thank you!

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