Stop killing kids
Posted in Blog by Twenty Major on April 28th, 2008
Perhaps we don’t have the full details of what happened in Wexford at the weekend when a man killed his wife then set his house on fire, killing his two children as well.
The post-mortems are set to continue today and we’ll probably know more then. What we can take from what we know at the moment is that Diarmuid Flood, no matter how troubled, no matter how upset or how angry, was an absolute cunt.
I just cannot understand anyone who would do that to their children. Without trying to condone it in any way, shape or form it is much easier to get your head around a man killing his wife. Or indeed a wife killing her husband. There are many reasons why a relationship between two adults can end so terribly, why somebody feels driven to commit murder. It’s awful and it’s wrong but to some extent you can understand it.
It’s simply beyond comprehension that a person could deliberately take the lives of their own children. And tiny children at that. Six and five, for fucks sake. If you’ve caught your wife cheating, or if something has happened that in your mind justifies the murder of another person, then by all means do what you think you have to do, stupid as it might be.
But babies, Jesus. There was the previous case in Wexford where the children were smothered to death. How is that possible? How could you hold a pillow or a cushion over a child’s mouth as it struggled in terror as one of the people they trust implicity, unquestionably, is killing them? We don’t know yet whether the kids this weekend were dead before the fire started. I suppose the best we can hope for is that the smoke overcame them as they slept but the idea of two kids of five and six being aware of what was happening is just sickening.
I don’t care a jot about what troubles Diarmuid Flood might have had, there is simply no justification for what he did. It was despicable and cowardly. Maybe he thought if he couldn’t have the kids then nobody should. What a God complex. Maybe he thought the kids wouldn’t be able to survive without their parents. What ego - kids can survive the worst things you can think of.
Five and six. Fucking hell.
THOUGHT YOU AND THE OTHER CUNTS HERE HAD ALL THE ANSWERS TWENTY…BUT KEEP KNOCKING RELIGION, AFTER ALL WHAT USE IS IT…
April 28th, 2008 at 9:14 am
And award for most senseless post of the week comes first thing on a Monday morning. You’ve outdone yourself, Gluehole.
April 28th, 2008 at 9:17 am
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Unfortunately this is more common you think. It is usually a symptom of the deepest depression, and a flawed view of the world where it is better for your children to die than to be part of the hellish world you imagine you are in.
The man was definitely sick, but in an ill way, and if there wasn’t such a stigma against mental health, and a greater availability of mental health care perhaps this could have been avoided.
April 28th, 2008 at 9:25 am
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You are right if it was him, he was a cowardly bastard. People harp on relentlessly abouts mental illness and depressions but there is no justification for murdering two little angels. Jesus christ can you imagine the second child waiting to be shot. And it pisses me off even more when the bury the whole family together, they should put him in a black coffin and burn it.
April 28th, 2008 at 9:26 am
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I can’t understand a man killing his wife or his kids.
If I don’t want to be with my wife any more, I will just up and fucking leave. I can’t understand anyone doing a Joe O’Reilly. I cannot understand any man leaving his kids without their mother.
If you are unhappy in your marriage, leave. If you have come to the end of your rope, seek help, if you really want to die, confine it to yourself only.
and anyone WHO CAN ONLY TYPE IN CAPITALS IS A
cunt
April 28th, 2008 at 9:44 am
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Fuck off with your emotional reaction. Yes it is horrible, yes it is almost unbelievable, but then you are not mentally ill. The knee jerk reaction is one such as yours Nonny, but then you sound like the tabloid press, and you know fuck all about the circumstances. For someone who previously was such a bleeding heart liberal to have a turaround like this must only mean that you have taken up a journalism course.
April 28th, 2008 at 9:44 am
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It’s tragic and sickening.
I don’t know much about mental health or what makes people do these things, but as with all these crimes, there is just no reasoning with it.
People like this guy, and the wrestler Chris Benoit last year, well if you believe in such things (I’m not sure I do) will burn in hell for all eternity.
April 28th, 2008 at 9:45 am
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I think Pish has a very valid point about mental health. If I break my leg, people will sign my cast, and once I am up and around again, it will never be mentioned again.
But if I have a mental break(down) no matter how many clean bills of health I get, it will always be the “go-to” description of me
“There’s your man, he had a breakdown a while back. And deep down, they’ll always consider me a bit cracked
April 28th, 2008 at 9:46 am
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I would like to take this opportunity to complain in the strongest possible terms about the award for the most senseless comment of the week being awarded so early. 9:17 on a Monday morning? That’s ridiculous.
Do I detect a little favouritism there Twenty?
And don’t try to fob me off with any of your ‘runner-up’ shite.
April 28th, 2008 at 9:49 am
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Yes it is horrible, yes it is almost unbelievable, but then you are not mentally ill.
But how do we know he was mentally ill? Do we just assume anyone that does what he did has to be mental? Or could he have just been a cunt.
For someone who previously was such a bleeding heart liberal to have a turaround like this must only mean that you have taken up a journalism course.
heh
April 28th, 2008 at 9:52 am
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There’s always next week, MB.
April 28th, 2008 at 9:53 am
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Twenty,
I’d say anyone who’d do something like that must have issues of some sort. It’s all to easy to write off men who do things like this as “cunts”, it’s a cheap tabloid trick to drum up sensation and anger and does nothing to further public understanding or compassion for male mental illness. What about women with post natal depression who kill themselves and their babies? Or that woman who threw herself and her kid off the cliffs of Moher? Are they cunts too? You’ll probably say so,but the tabloids describe such murder suicides as “tragedy” - in fact I’d be confident that in articles describing such incidents the word “murder” is not used.
There’s such a stigma around male mental health that will only be perpetuated by knee jerk reactions to this, calling the guy a “cunt” and so forth. You don’t have to be wearing a tin foil hat to have mental issues, either blatant or underlying. All these reactions do is perpetuate gender stereotypes - a woman does something like this it’s a tragedy that a weak mentally frail lil lady couldn’t cope. But if a guy does it? A big strong man? Oh well he’s a despicable cunt, isn’t he?
April 28th, 2008 at 10:15 am
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I would like to take this opportunity to complain in the strongest possible terms about the shameless lobbying for more orphans evident in this post.
Expecting a bad Summer, are we?
April 28th, 2008 at 10:22 am
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a woman does something like this it’s a tragedy that a weak mentally frail lil lady couldn’t cope. But if a guy does it? A big strong man? Oh well he’s a despicable cunt, isn’t he?
Well, I have to say a woman that does that is as much of a cunt as a man that does it but you’re right about the way it’s portrayed in the media.
April 28th, 2008 at 10:30 am
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“The knee jerk reaction is one such as yours Nonny, but then you sound like the tabloid press, and you know fuck all about the circumstances.
You are a tool. An utter tool. Why should mental illness be an excuse? I could not give a shit why he did it he is a coward and I hope him and all his family if they new he had “issues” and did nothing rot in hell.
I wonder now will it emerge that the police or social services have been involved previously but they too are usless tools.
Furthermore, if you look at cases from last year you will find that men are the biggest offenders when it comes to domestice violence.
April 28th, 2008 at 10:51 am
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We can only wonder about what went on, but it is close to another case in the area isn’t it? I think you’re spot on about why bump off the kids, but it does seem to be part of a pattern in ‘family murders’ around the Western world.
When I see instances like the Austrian fucker who imprisoned his daughter for 24 years, impregnating her several times, we just stop being surprised about man’s depravity. Now that was fucking sick, and all the media can do is cover reports of little Austrian neighbours going ‘vee did not know anyzing ahbart eet’, when they need to ask more important questions.
April 28th, 2008 at 10:57 am
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Not so much the neighbours but his wife saying she had no idea…??
April 28th, 2008 at 11:00 am
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Furthermore, if you look at cases from last year you will find that men are the biggest offenders when it comes to domestice violence.
In reported cases, yes. But because of the stigma and probable under-reporting of female viloence against male spouses, it’s difficult to get an accurate picture.
Let’s wait for the facts. A horrible tragedy.
April 28th, 2008 at 11:02 am
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I think it’s safe to say the guy was experiencing some kind of severe mental trauma, Twenty. These are not the actions of a sane person.
Wexford is fast becoming the suicide capital of Ireland. There is something severely wrong down there that the government are doing crap all about.
I’m sure they’ll be “putting support structures in place” and there will be an “inquiry” and they’ll send the psychologist to the kid’s school to fix everything.
April 28th, 2008 at 11:03 am
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Look at Fred and Rose West - both equally vile.
April 28th, 2008 at 11:04 am
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Nonny, aren’t you really Dana?
April 28th, 2008 at 11:05 am
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This sums it up pretty well: http://www.eapn.ie/policy/2431
April 28th, 2008 at 11:06 am
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I would like to complain in the strongest possible terms about MB complaining in the strongest possible terms, twice.
April 28th, 2008 at 11:10 am
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Nonny, aren’t you really Dana?
He’s the blogworld’s Jason.
April 28th, 2008 at 11:11 am
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Twenty..No doubt this is a tragedy and lets wait for the facts but I agree that anyone who kills their kids is unbalanced. Joe - I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say in relation to the gender balance on this issue..
April 28th, 2008 at 11:12 am
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I’m curious what gluaisteans point was.
Is he implying that because we don’t have a solution to maniacs murdering their children that we should take up religion or something?
Or is he just a cunt?
April 28th, 2008 at 11:17 am
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Nonny you really are an eejit. This does not class as domestic violence. This is either a result of acute psychosis or depression. Yes men are more likely to commit this kind of act, but men are more likely to commit suicide. In one month in 2006 two women in separate incidents took their children to the Humber bridge and jumped off, can you imagine what kind of despair must drive a parent to take their own life and their childrens.
I hope you and the fucking morons using your “coward” and “evil” labels never have to have a friend/relative take their own life and see the fucking carnage it leaves behind.
April 28th, 2008 at 11:23 am
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What’s wrong with Dana???? i used to have quite the thing for her.
April 28th, 2008 at 11:24 am
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Are you serious?
You’re honestly not able to differenciate between the type of mental illness and depression that makes you believe that your family and yourself are better off dead, and somebody killing their spouse in a ‘crime of passion’? That you kill yourself and your family because you’re a prick?
This is not a normal, rational decision - will I buy a Ford Focus or Volkswagon, will I sign myself into an institution, no feck it, I ‘ll just go with my gut and murder my family, because that’s the kind of guy I am.
What the fuck is wrong with you all? This is the stupidest, most ill informed crap I’ve yet to hear.
April 28th, 2008 at 11:34 am
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I think any person, mental or not, that kills their kids, is a cunt. And I don’t think that bloke was so mental that he didn’t know what he was doing was wrong.
April 28th, 2008 at 11:43 am
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PP is consistently the most balanced poster on this sight. Nonny, you are being a total gobshite today, get your act together.
The government will but up ‘Danger, suicide blackspot (Mind yourself)’ signs in Wexford. Good old Harney, nothing if not consistent.
Joe = John Watters
Gluaistean = Total fucking gobshite cunt face.
April 28th, 2008 at 11:51 am
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I just don’t think psychosis works like that, Twenty. It overrides morals and rationality. If it didn’t it wouldn’t happen so much. And it escalates beyond the point where you can be influenced by ‘right and wrong’.
As in so many of these all too common cases, this guy went for help the week before. He clearly didn’t get it.
April 28th, 2008 at 11:52 am
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Do we know he went for help?
April 28th, 2008 at 11:55 am
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I heard the bloke was deffo a mentalist because he used to use water instead of milk on his crunchy nut cornflakes. That’s a fact, that is.
April 28th, 2008 at 11:56 am
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J5, nobody is that fucking mental
April 28th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
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My response to this tragedy is to immediately think “Oh fuck, why did he not seek help?” and then I swiftly realise that some pits of despair are so deep and black that seeking help is beyond the thought of the person affected.
I agree that calling this person a cunt is neither helpful or accurate. Someone using upper case for a pseudo religious rant, is a cunt.
Someone who kills his wife because he wants to go live with another woman, is a cunt.
Someone who causes the death of his entire family is someone who needed help. It would serve us better to ask how the situation came to this, in the faint hope that we may be able to prevent it happening again.
On the subject of Wexford, I have never been happier since moving there… but I’ll keep you posted
April 28th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
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Wexford is a nice place, but i’ve only visited.
I thought Bandon in Cork was the suicide capital of europe?
April 28th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
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“The suicide rate in Cork and Kerry is higher than the national average and that gap is
widening.”
not my words, some clever clogs words.
April 28th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
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“The suicide rate in Cork and Kerry is higher than the national average and that gap is
widening.”
according to someone.
April 28th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
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Man kills kids - natural assumption is that he’s a mentalist. He could have just been a jealous, spiteful cunt whose missus was going to leave him or something. He may have had no mental problems at all.
April 28th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
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Great posts from PP - who isn’t as big a cunt as I thought - and Joe and Jo.
We don’t know the facts yet. Let’s not jump to conclusions either way.
April 28th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
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We don’t know the facts yet. Let’s not jump to conclusions either way.
Don’t be silly, this is blogging.
April 28th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
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Given the polls, maybe he didn’t want himself, his wife and kids living in a Europe where Ireland voted “No.”
April 28th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
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He could have just been a jealous, spiteful cunt whose missus was going to leave him or something. He may have had no mental problems at all.
Come on man, it’s far more likely that he had acute mental problems (aggravated by fuck-knows-what) than he was a lucid, calculating, cold-blooded murderer. I’ll buy you a pint if I’m proved wrong though.
I predict it will emerge that there were severe relationship problems in the household, he was being treated for the black dog, was put on medication, decided after a while that he was okay and took himself off, with disastrous consequences.
April 28th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
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I agree it’s more likely…
April 28th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
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Basically, Twenty Major is a heartless, unforgiving cunt.
In other news, rain is wet.
April 28th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
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You were there? No?
Oh, you’re the investigating officer then?
No?
Well then, you don’t get to judge anyone. You don’t have the facts.
April 28th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
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PP is consistently the most balanced poster on this sight.
I agree except when it comes to his views on liverpool, then he’s a cunt.
Nonny is indeed a cunt today.
Glueface is and always was a cunt
April 28th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
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It really is very very sad. We don’t know all the details yet.
I think the tone and content of yesterdays news of the world was fucking disgraceful.
I live in wexford and I have never had an urge to kill myself
April 28th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
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So, Peadar, I presume you will never buy the NOTW again?
April 28th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
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We all judge, all the time, Skinner. And in this kind of case we will never know all the facts.
No matter what comes to light, Twenty will keep on thinking he’s a cunt, and you’ll go on assuming that his wife drove him to it.
April 28th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
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I didn’t buy it, I read it in the pub
April 28th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
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“Well then, you don’t get to judge anyone. You don’t have the facts”
No-one will ever have all of the facts.
And you always have to judge with what incomplete information you have.
April 28th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
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Fact 1 - the kids are dead
Carry on…
April 28th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
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A lot of judgemental tosh here. None of you know the facts. I think you should shut your cake holes until you do, and even then you try (hard as it may be) to leave your high horses in their stables.
April 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
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I’m heading out, to get ‘fact’.
April 28th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
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is that london style “propa fact”?
April 28th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
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That freegan site is some funny shit. More, I say!
April 28th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
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Freegan : Another tunnel dwelling, tree hugging hippy cunt.
MB score me some Fact whilst your out I’ll square you up later
April 28th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
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More crass clichés, please. Funny stuff.
April 28th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
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there was a freegan on one of those wife swap tv shows.
Don’t they just eat from bins and so on?
April 28th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
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How about waiting for the facts… Would that be too strange a thing to do??
Do yo all work for the evening herald or what?
Fill in the gaps journalism….
April 28th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
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Sam, please don’t tar us all with same brush
April 28th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
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Or did you only read some of the posts?
April 28th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
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I don’t know who Freegan is, but why should stop me, or anyone else generalising about him/her and casting crude stereotypes about the place.
For the record, people who say that “The system is the problem / It has failed” usually means that it has failed them, usually because they spent too much time arsing about and playing at being radical communist / vegan / protector of fairies etc.
The system works for most of us, most of the time. And that is about the best we can hope for.
If you wish to be a bin-dipping hemp shirt wearing, strangely fragranced person, so be it.
April 28th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
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Freegans don’t kill their children for no good reason.
They kill them for food.
April 28th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
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Sorry PP, but The “you” I referred to were the ones making comments based on their own opinions of what happened.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
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The right-wing Fascist comes out in me when I ever I see white people with Dreadlocks….
April 28th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
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Do freegans have jobs?
April 28th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
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Shush. We better not poke the hornets nest that is the freegan movement.. They might set their frampires on us.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
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Dread-locks = Bol-locks
April 28th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
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There are worse people than vegans and freegans
There is rumour of a band of ginger up-their-own-arse types who feed off the anus hair of celebrities
Barry-egans I think you call them
April 28th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
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All ultra-leftists make me sick. They are just smelly lazy cunts. And most are vegetarians… Should be made to take the vegetarian test.. namely put in a cage with a starved lion armed only with a very large tofu salad… see what choice nature makes…
April 28th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
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Twenty, I agree with you 100%!
I’m sick of all the apologists for these murdering bastards making excuses for them.
If I was a young married mother, I’d be scared.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
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Don’t be silly, this is blogging. -
Twenty!
I heard on Ray Darcy today that he had gone for help, I presume that means to the local health services, but it was only Ray Darcy, they didn’t say any more.
For the record, people who say that “The system is the problem / It has failed” usually means that it has failed them, usually because they spent too much time arsing about and playing at being radical communist / vegan / protector of fairies etc.
Rob, what the fuck is that? You feel suicidal, like you and your family are better off dead, you try and find someone who can deal with it, they give you an appointment, or put you on the list and send you off home. That’s a social service system that fails people in crisis. Due to lack of funds and resources and presumably a government who agrees that ‘people like this’ are cunts and doesn’t really give a shit about it.
I maintain though, that nobody kills their own children out of jealousy, or - or whatever, I can’t even envision that scenario. Do we have any precedents, other than Greek Tragedy?
To kill your own children is a last ditch, desperate and crazy, delusional act, one which the murderer has little control over, I suspect.
My mother had a friend, in the 70s, an Indian guy stranded out in Howth, who had severe depression. He told my mother than what scared him most was that he would kill himself during one of his depressive episodes. He did in the end. The horrible thing for her was knowing that he had been afraid of what he’d do.
Obviously it’s a lot easier to understand a simple suicide, while it’s still incredibly selfish, suicides don’t see it as such, and hte same applies to people who do this.
One more thing - one question they ask to determine if you’re post natally depressed is if you’ve had any thoughts of harming yourself or your children. A lot of women do, while they suffer from PND. If they’re treated, they don’t have those desperate, no way out thoughts anymore, where they genuinely believe they and their children are better off dead.
So while they’re depressed, do we call them evil bitches, cunts, bad mothers who should be jailed?
What they are is suffering from chemical and hormonal and emotional imbalances that can be clearly proven, if that’s what you need to see. I think suicidal depression is equally observable in the brain chemistry.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
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@#50 ” We all judge, all the time, Skinner. And in this kind of case we will never know all the facts.
No matter what comes to light, Twenty will keep on thinking he’s a cunt, and you’ll go on assuming that his wife drove him to it.”
Bit nihilistic there, surely! You could argue that what you say is simply the reality of the thing, but reality is not just facts. Reality = the facts + our perception of them. That’s why people’s realities can be so different.
I reckon people are capable of changing their minds. A sure sign of an intelligent person is their ability to change their mind as more facts become known or circumstances change. I think more people are more intelligent than you suggest.
If we cannot change out minds in the face of more facts revealed then it may be that we’re not that much better off than the asshole who killed his kids adn wife.
I call him an asshole because it’s a human convention that we be judged by our actions. Plenty people are bad, bad bastards in their heads though, despite their being head of charities or whatever. I’ll say this about mental illness - it doesn’t just happen to people in a vaccuum. It happens to good people and bad people. In and of itself mental illness is not a moral condition any more than cancer is. But it happens to moral or amoral people and that can affect the result.
The reality of the guy was probably hellish, I agree. The reality of his wife and kids didn’t turn out much better though. The whole thing is a fucking tragedy but you cannot argue that the man who did the killing is absolved from all responsibility. Diminished responsibility arguably, and it may be too much to despise him, but a wrong was most certainly done to his family and someone must be accountable for that.
The world’s not fucking fair. Best we can do though is judge each case on its demerits. Gimmes’ right - we’re judging creatures. It’s moral cowardice not to be often. We can go too far and let our guts rule our judgment though - with disgust for the act, or too far the other way and try and judge it purely with our intellect - by excusing the guy entirely and forgetting the revulsion these murders should cause.
As always, the middle way’s the least glamourous but after the natural outrage, and the natural sympathy have pulled at you - pulling to different degrees according to our personalities and perceptions - I reckon it offers the best hope for understanding these things and trying to make sure they don’t happen again.
This was a dangerous man. How come he was even in a position to do this? Sounds like a lot of failures were involved along the line.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
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yippee, that is an extremely ignorant and ridiculous statement to make.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
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Oh god, that post is so long, I’m sorry.
Going away now…
April 28th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
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child bride? You say this was a dangerous man, what evidence do you have that he displayed any dangerous tendencies before this awful act? And if you dont have any, then what is the point of your statement?
April 28th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
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Jo, I think Rob was taking the piss out of the freegan not the social services.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
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I was taking the piss out of Freegans site, and possibly by extension, him/her.
I should have made that clearer.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
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Is there an award for longest post up for grabs today???
April 28th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
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You would assume that Fred the Freegan is male, but then again, freegans are … unusual.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
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Jesus Sam, he was a MAN….an evil man he must be dangerous.
People with severe depression often don’t show symptoms until it is too late, did the two women that jumped off the bridge with their kids get classed as dangerous, did that woman that drove her car into the lake last year with her kids get classed as dangerous.
No!!! because they were not fucking demonised by idiots and fuckwits.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
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If I’m ignorant, having been a mother of 2 children, and having a good and happy marriage, then what do you expect a wet-behin-the-ears social worker to do when faced with these fuckers???
I have the benefit of experience of life, at least.
If that was my daughter, or yours, how would you feel?
I’d hate and blame that selfish git, and to hell with his mental problems.
This trend in murdering your whole family is just appalling, and any sympathy for the murderer is going to encourage this trend to continue, mark my words!
April 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
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They should learn not to be mental then, touchy fuckers.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
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I think Freegans are hermaphrodites, I am sure they were on an episode of Star Trek once. Kinda dirty snaffling liitle things, lived in holes in the ground and ate the detritus left by humans. Best gassed with cymag before they get out of their burrows.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
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This trend in murdering your whole family is just appalling, and any sympathy for the murderer is going to encourage this trend to continue, mark my words!
pretty trendsetting alright, I hear its all the rage in Japan.
I can just hear men saying this all over the country, “that guy got sympathy so I might as well go nuts”
April 28th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
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Obviously they are mental, but what I mean is people need to be vigilant, to protect themselves and their children against harmful people.
Of course that’s not always possible, who expects to be murdered in their bed by their husband, but these grandiose gestures from obviously arrogant, dictatorial men has to be publicly condemned in order to make the message clear that there is nothing heroic in killing little children.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
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I also have 2 children. Am relatively young(30) and where as I have been driven to distraction many times by both partner and children, would never consider harming any of them. There have been at least four cases like this in wexford recently… This one, the blind fellow, the woman who dragged her two children into the sea and drowned them and a man who drove a car into the sea with kids in the back. Could there be more to it than the man being a bastard I wonder??
April 28th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
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Sam Crea- read what I said. I said he was dangerous - obviously he was - he killed his fucking family - how much more dangerous do you want?
Him plus his mental illness were dangerous is what I was saying. And sex, age, race or economics have nothing to do with it. Christ.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
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I heard freegans don’t wash behind their ears.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
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Yippee, are you serious?
“grandiose gestures from obviously arrogant, dictatorial men”
You genuinely think that’s what he was thinking before he shot himself?
April 28th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
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I’m still more afraid of Barry Egan….
Now there’s a dangerous man……
April 28th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
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*rolls eyes*
April 28th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
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Some imbecile here said the system works for most people most of the time. That is demonstrably not true. Educate yourself you silly little cretin.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
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Christ what?
This was a dangerous man. How come he was even in a position to do this? Sounds like a lot of failures were involved along the line.
Maybe you should go on MAstermind, specialist topic - The Bleedin obvious!!
Point I was making was that You are saying he was dangerous and something should have been done, and yet how were people to know he was dangerous??
Fucking a lot of hippity-high-horse bitches on here…
April 28th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
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I’ve no idea what he was thinking but he wasn’t thinking about the welfare of his kids, was he?
It seems like these guys go for the dramatic, self obsessed, narciccisistic, and yes, grandiose, answer to their problems, whatever they may be.
Slaughtering your whole family is pretty dramatic, don’t you think?
April 28th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
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I suspect the odds on him being called ‘a loving father’ or a ‘great father’ during his eulogy would be very short indeed.
Leaving aside the fact he killed his children he was the perfect Dad.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
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Yipee…who the fuck is hailing this guy as a hero? Do you honestly think that by showing a slight bit of compassion for mental illness people are condoning such a tragedy?
“As for these obviously arrogant, dictatorial men” - did you know them personally? Or have account of their arrogant dictatorial behaviour?
Going to the services admitting you have mental health issues is hardly the sign of an arrogant man is it?
April 28th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
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Yeah, but do we know that he went looking for treatment for mental health issues? It just said he went to the doctor. He might have had a bad case of athlete’s foot.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
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No arrogant man goes to the doc with athlete’s foot either. Laugh it off and jog on.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
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People who think that they know best and kill their family ” for their own good”, are obviously arrogant!
Whether he was crazy or not is not in question, as a normal person would never do such a sick and horrendous crime against nature!
April 28th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
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specialist topic - The Bleedin’ Obvious
Some people say that becasue Padre Pio bled he was obviously a saint. Some people say that becasue he bled he was obviously a shyster of the worst sort.
Things that are obvious to some people aren’t obvious to all.
Clearly.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
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Freegan, it was me who stated that “The System” (also known to your types as “The Man”) works for most of the people, most of the time.
That would be my experience, and that of my family and friends.
As for educating myself, actually “The System” organised that for me, they even built schools and put wonderful people called teachers in them to make it all work.
As for being a cretin, or an imbecile, I thought ad hominem attacks were banned by your huggy-feely mob.
Oh and good luck “overthrowing the system” “Sticking it to the man” or whatever the fuck it is this week.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
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It’s eating potato peels.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
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Bugger me itallics! Sorry Twenty! Can you fix it?
April 28th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
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Ah righto. Fixed itself.
Off to feed the hordes.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
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“People who think that they know best and kill their family ” for their own good”, are obviously arrogant!”
Really? How about frantic, petrified, afraid…we could all second guess the emotional state this guy was in
April 28th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
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Ah righto. Fixed itself.
heh
April 28th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
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Some people on here don’t seem to get the point that this business of annihilating your entire family then killing yourself, means, technically, that these fuckers get away with murder, and then get sympathetic excuses made for their sweeping arrogance by well-meaning people seeking to understand what happened.
Of course we want to understand in order to prevent it happen