Taxi driver killed in Blanchardstown
Posted on | March 19, 2008 | 99 Comments
Apparently a taxi driver in his 30s was killed last night in Blanch. He ran after a bloke who didn’t pay his fare and got a fatal stabbing for his trouble.
Seriously, you can’t help but really worry about this town. On Paddy’s night a group of kids, some as young as 10, stopped people in their cars, dragged them out of them then burnt out the vehicles in Finglas. While this was happen the parents of some of these children were looking on and cheering – that’s according to reports I heard on the radio yesterday.
While that does sound like Joe Duffy style exaggeration, we’re now at a stage where it’s quite easy to believe this happened. Before we might have thought that adults, ‘grown-ups’ would know better, but I don’t think that’s true anymore. We like to think the best of people, that they have some kind of social conscience or moral code, but you know what? We’d be better off doing the exact opposite. It sounds harsh and it’s probably not the best thing for society but if you view people as cunts capable of anything and treat them as such then you’re either pleasantly suprised when this turns out not to be the case or prepared when the inevitable happens.
Teenagers stabbing people in the head because they dared to confront them about their anti-social, yobbish behavior, people beaten up and filmed with mobile phone cameras, people being car-jacked and having their property set on fire by louts, and now a taxi driver killed over what? €20, maybe? I know it’s easy to say it’s not worth dying over but fuck it, that was his money, he worked for it, he was entitled to it, even if he had to beat it out of that cunt to get it.
What can we do though? How the fuck can you fight back? The next time you accidentally bump into somebody on a Saturday night you could find yourself with a hole in your throat.
Justice, rehabilitation, all a load of shit, if you ask me. When you find somebody who will kill a taxi driver rather than pay his fare you’re dealing with somebody whose mind is beyond repair. Fuck him, cut your losses, send cunts like him to a fucking island and leave them there. Treat violent criminals like lepers and remove them from society altogether.
And those that enable them have to be culpable too. The parents of those skidmarks in Finglas, if it’s true they stood and cheered while their filthy progeny terrorised people, some of them with young kids in their cars, they should be charged with whatever the fuck we can charge them with. Take away their social welfare, garnish their wages, remove their childrens allowance payments – hit the cunts where it hurts, then perhaps they might take some responsibility for the cockroaches they let lose on our streets every day.
As it is they raise children without manners, without any sense of right or wrong, no social skills and a sense of warped entitlement that leads to people being beaten and stabbed and killed for no good reason at all. Drug dealers killing drug dealers, it’s wrong but I can see why it happens. Taxi drivers being killed because they just want to be paid? It’s fucked.
It is time to start making examples of these pricks. The police and the courts have to start protecting the decent people of this country. I don’t give a fuck about their rights, their excuses, their mitigating circumstances or anything else. If a scumbag is caught then treat him like a scumbag. Fuck your suspended sentences, fuck your fucking good behaviour, fuck your probation and your fucking bail, fuck your overcrowding and fuck your children’s court rap sheets as long as a horse’s cock.
Deal with these ‘people’ and start making our cities and towns safe again, you pack of hand-wringing, namby-pamby, permissive cuntbutlers.
Update: It seems he may have been off-duty but was held down by two men as a woman stabbed him.
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March 19th, 2008 @ 8:40 am
yep. bang on. shitebags need a slap
March 19th, 2008 @ 8:49 am
“Fuck him, cut your losses, send cunts like him to a fucking island and leave them there. ”
We tried that and the fuckers went and invented Fosters and Neighbours for revenge.
March 19th, 2008 @ 9:14 am
Zero tolerance from an early age. Penalize the parents of underage offenders, reduce the age of underage and let the Gardai catch and prosecute the little f*cks instead of worrying about the Garda ombudsman taking them from behind without lubricant.
Instead of ordinary Gardai being drafted in to deal with the like of those cunts in Finglas send a riot squad with batons and instructions to use them.
Smell of petrol, smack broken arm.
Videoing your offspring on the rampage, smack broken ribs.
Standing around enjoying the “show”, smack broken wrist.
Anyone hanging around should have been batoned working on the principal that a law abiding person person would have f*cked off at the first sign of trouble.
And introduce laws where you can shoot some f*cker if he tries to steal your property.
Draging me out of my car? Bang, face splattered all over your parents video phone.
Trying to stab me with a screwdriver? Bang, brains all over your “buds” faces.
Breaking in to my house? Bang, your heart in a pulp and I get to go back and get more ammo to do a proper job.
John
March 19th, 2008 @ 9:19 am
I also heard this morning that some 10 year old kid had his little finger ripped off in town by some pricks because he was a musician???
Should the law of an “eye for an eye” come into play at this stage of the game?
March 19th, 2008 @ 9:21 am
Not that its any excuse but looks like the cab driver was off duty, it was particularly callous in the fact they held the poor cunt down and then stabbed him.
When I was younger I used to live by the moniker “every cunt is a fanny” basically assume the worst of people until they prove you different. I have tried in recent years to be more openminded but truth be told I reckon I was right first time.
There is no mitigating circumstances for this kind of violence, no fucking social worker can possibly turn the perpetrators of this crime into the “victims”. The Irish government would be better using the money they spunked on overseas trips on better enforcement of the law, and the full force of the law should be made on these cunts. They have no regard for human life and so the same regard should be shown to them
March 19th, 2008 @ 9:22 am
[quote]It is time to start making examples of these pricks. The police and the courts have to start protecting the decent people of this country.[/quote]
Well said, sir. Very well said.
It’s also time for the (other) decent people to stand up and show they’re not prepared to stand for this sort of crap. Stricter penalties for scumbags and those responsible for them.
Great post.
March 19th, 2008 @ 9:25 am
The finger ripping off was because he was English, and I believe he was 17. They would have been better ripping off his cock to stop him breeding…
That was only a joke, I do not condone this either.
March 19th, 2008 @ 9:27 am
This all sounds depressingly familiar ,have we been here before ?
March 19th, 2008 @ 9:30 am
I’m seriously considering getting the fuck out of this kip… we’re very broken as a society…
March 19th, 2008 @ 9:34 am
“The finger ripping off was because he was English”
Explain where this came from – Newstalk more of the opinion it was because of his musical talents?
March 19th, 2008 @ 9:37 am
Great post! Great points!
Ultimately though what will change?
People will sigh and shake their heads and say how terrible it all is. Brian Lenihan will condemn it and, with a flourish of his pen, do something that will (a) make it look like he is taking action, (b) satisfy the Joe Duffy listeners who are busy crying for something to be done and (c) brings in money for the government coffers and keeps the vintners happy.
He’ll proclaim its all the fault of alcohol.
He’ll say there isn’t a great deal the government can do as it is the responsibility of the individual to ensure they don’t drink to excess.
He’ll put up the price of the pint and stop alcohol being sold in super markets and convenience stores.
March 19th, 2008 @ 9:49 am
we’re all responsible for what’s going on and what is happening to this great little country of ours (sic), including you twenty. getting up on your soapbox and banging on about it and what should be done, ain’t ever going to change things.
March 19th, 2008 @ 9:54 am
Is that a Persil or Bold soap box?
March 19th, 2008 @ 10:00 am
Couple of years ago, on my way home, I got confronted by two teenagers who demanded my phone. I told them to fuck off, shoved one of them over and we had a scuffle. Then, like the cowardly cunts they were, they ran off.
So I stood up for myself, okay, until they came back a few nights later, with about 10 of their friends. Hanging around, shouting threats (“We’re gonna buuuuuurn yer house down ya fuuuuuuckin cuuuuuunt” etc). That’s what you get for standing up for yourself.
What next? Call the cops? Buy a big knife? Never leave the house?
Moved out. Moved away. Haven’t looked back since.
March 19th, 2008 @ 10:12 am
I’d love to stand up for myself. Do something about it.
But doing that now means the possibilty of a knife between the ribs or a fucking screwdriver in the brain.
No fucking thank you. Zero tolerance, lock the cunts up. The laws are there, enforce the fucking things!
March 19th, 2008 @ 10:26 am
Decency and Morality ? Where has it been ? Cunts like Haughey and Bertie at the top, cunts on the other side of the border who slaughtered hundreds in government, your President hobnobbing with UDA scum – and you wonder why the dross at the bottom of the stack have no respect for law and order or human life?
March 19th, 2008 @ 10:30 am
Micky said “”
I disagree. The more people who get up on their soapbox and make noise about it the better, the media will pick it up and force the useless politicians into action. They cleaned up New York, if it can be done there, it can be done anywhere.
March 19th, 2008 @ 10:31 am
Micky said ” getting up on your soapbox and banging on about it and what should be done, ain’t ever going to change things.”
I disagree. The more people who get up on their soapbox and make noise about it the better, the media will pick it up and force the useless politicians into action. They cleaned up New York, if it can be done there, it can be done anywhere.
March 19th, 2008 @ 10:35 am
Whether in the emerald isle or on that big island next to you that you would all like to see burnt..
Both islands have spawned at least two generations of underclass that has no moral or ethical base.
They have all been given the opportunity of an education, there are jobs a plenty.
Yet this same underclass are somehow allowed/entitles to have the same liberties as the rest of society rights that previous generations have fought for over the last two centuries.
Whatever institutions or lack of state support obliged the bottom of society to be responsible have been eroded and replaced with … fuck all, because anything else would infringe their civil liberties.
Zero tolerance and locking them up is just part of the answer, preferably on the mythical twenty major isle (has anyone thought about using Anglesey? – its so damned convenient for all of us:)…
In the end the spineless feckless politicians that we have put in power do not give a fuck. Why? because they do not have to walk past, live next to the ignorant scum that hangs around pissed, wrecked, itching for violence, to do harm, to steal.
My answer: to anyone who crosses the line, spongers, thieves, violent cunts.. remove their civil liberties, remove their ability to get housing and money from the state..
March 19th, 2008 @ 10:48 am
Punishment is never going to change the underclass. I’m not opposed to zero tolerance if it protects people, but you have to have community policing and positive social change as part of the programme – if you’re brought up scum, you’ll become scum, and having your Da or your Ma sent to prison won’t make you a better person.
My husband knew a local petty thief who got given a pink slip and turned away at the door of Mountjoy because it was full, and he wasn’t that dangerous. How is is having prisons crammed with scum who are doing weights, developing drug habits and getting crime tips in any way a positive step towards changing the problem? It’s just creating uber-skeks out of minor skeks.
Oouse each individual horror makes us want an eye for an eye, and I totally agree about parental responsibility. But nothing’s going to change unless we see a bigger picture.
What gets to me is that this casual unprovoked violence has been escalating for years, and our govt just benignly ignore it.
March 19th, 2008 @ 10:48 am
Great comment, papalamour.
March 19th, 2008 @ 10:50 am
Why don’t you take to the schools Twenty and preach to them How To Be Good. However whilst you are in there you will realise most of them are playing truant and are in fact outside ripping out the pages of your book to start a fire in your car.
Maybe these children dont have any role models but look at yourselves, it’s hardly anything to look up to now is it? I blame all your middle aged people for the younger generation, you don’t really care about them if they’re not yours. You sit here moaning about them but you should do something about it. Go out there and give them all a good kicking.
March 19th, 2008 @ 10:56 am
Twenty, the problem with the parents, is the fact that they’re probably only ten years older than the kids, and therefore, they’re still acting like the kids that they are themselves.
Thing is, if we lock them up, is it going to change anything? They’ll be out in about ten minutes, let’s be honest. I think the fact that most parents around those areas are actually children themselves, and so haven’t had the same upbringing – sure they were pregnant, and so the next thing is, ma, you can’t tell me what to do, I’m having a baby of my own, I’m CLEARLY an adult!
Having to fight for civil liberties is what made people from previous generations. They had to EARN it. They weren’t handed it on a plate. They also didn’t have half the money that we have today, so they couldn’t do much other than eat and survive. Maybe the thoughts of taking that away and making them fight for it will stop some of this…
March 19th, 2008 @ 10:58 am
Time to arm the citizenry. Charles Bronson had he right idea. What a guy!
March 19th, 2008 @ 10:59 am
They definitely need more severe punishing but fundamentally the problem lies with the parents. I mean look at the little prick that murdered those two Polish lads, 16 and he had 19 previous convictions. What were his parents doing to address those issues? Absolutely nothing. Had they have had to face the prospect of a spell in prison I’m sure they would have done things differently. People under 18 are under the sole control of their parents and if parents don’t have the intelligence, time, money or whatever their pathetic excuse for not rearing their children with respect and decency well they should suffer the consequences. I mean if you let a violent dog run riot you’d be charged, why not apply the same with a violent child?
Another huge problem is the way everything has become so acceptable. Every issue is up for discussion and viewed as supposedly subjective. You get these idiots rationalising unfavourable and illegal activities. All you hear is, he came from a troubled background, a broken home, he didn’t know he did he was drunk or stoned or whatever the fucked up reason our legal system seems so willing to buy these days. It is just excuse after excuse. Create mandatory sentencing for robbing and assault, get rid of this “personal use” with drugs bollox and send the bastards to jail.
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:05 am
Totally agree twenty.
Fuck saying lock them up isn’t the answer. It is the fucking answer.
I personally would have no problem paying extra tax just to fund the building of extra prisons and employment of staff to run them. We can’t lock them all up? Why the fucking hell can’t we?
If the up and coming 10 year old scum bags seen their hero old brothers been locked away for a long time it might act as a deterrent, if not throw them in as well.
Fucking do-gooders are more concerned with the rights of these scum bags than they are with the the rights of the poor dead polish guys, or the taxi driver or the unfortunate english teenager who now has no little finger.
We’re supposed to live in a civilised society. Well anyone who can’t behave in a civilised manner should be taken out of society.
Rehabilitation me hole. Anyone capable of plunging a screw driver into another persons brain is not capable of been rehabilitated
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:05 am
I’d be in favour of bringing back the stocks for juvenile delinquents – a day in the rain being laughed at stuck in a town center would teach the cunts manners and be a hell of a lot cheaper than the present nonsense.
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:12 am
oooh great idea, bring back the stocks!
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:19 am
Unfortunately the law itself is based on crimes against property and not against person, obviously formulated during the class based social system. Whilst society has changed to be less classless we have not passed on the responsibility to individuals as their social freedoms were inproved. We need to tackle both to acheive a desirable outcome.
1) we change the legal framework so the state takes on responsibility, pushing punishment and reduction of civil liberties of offenders.
2) We use the legal system to promote the idea of individual responsbility, punish parents, make those committing crimes against people see the consequences of their actions. Make them work in social programmes during the day, lock em up at night. Make them pay by working their offence off.
3) Remove the coolness of gang culture by introducing public corporal punishment to humiliate the fuckers.
3) for those deemed too violent or sociapathic to rehabilitate , use “Anthrax” island off Scotland, give them food and shelter and let them eke out a living on the land…or die
Finally don’t blame drugs for the issues, blame the prohibition that is in place which actually creates the criminal element.
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:20 am
Oh and Bronson was a pussy, he started crying in a tunnel once, before he started his life of retribution based slayings
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:21 am
on the rte site it says that the taxi driver knew the couple who he brought from meath to dublin and when he got them as far as blanchardstown they argued and the couple chased him from the car (where the victims partner and child stayed).
A local tried to intervene but couldn’t prevent the situation.
Fair fucks to the local whoever he/she was.
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:22 am
They could build a nice big concrete prison without heating on the Blasket Islands. Put them there, with one blanket and a year’s supply of barely edible food, i.e. turnips/mangolds, frozen tripe. No phones, no drugs, no computers, no tv, no boat, no contact.
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:30 am
Great post. I think a lot of Irish people are going to leave this country again. The bad times are here again except we now have a huge social welfare bill too. I think it’s the 3rd largest budget of any government department. That’s fkn crazy. The cunts in power only act when someone high profile is killed, simple as that. Wait till there’s a hungerford or columbine type massacre here or a politician is killed/attacked. If there’s another bad Summer watch people leave in droves -no jobs, shit weather, no law worth speaking off and the inability to build a decent road. Makes u wonder why we’re still here. Even pub culture is going to shit, what are we left with – fkn coffee shops.
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:31 am
Cheap alcohol, and it’s easy availability is the root of most violent behaviour.
Roll on The Recession, that’s what I say.
Either that, or we should get ourselves one of those ‘Government’ things.
What do you mean, we have one? Are you serious?
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:34 am
Bring back the Christian Brothers and smacking. That’ll learn them.
Where’s the sense of community in Ireland anymore? Gone are the days when a passing grown-up could berate a deliquant child for mis-behaving by giving them a thick ear or a bit of verbal.
Kids have only one or two role models (their parents) these days and if they turn out to be skangers too then what hope is there for them. They’ll never learn.
The welfare state is all well and good looking after the poor un-fortunates who can’t look after themselves but paying idiots to nurture more idiots with our tax euro is pushing it a bit far. Some of them are just human bacteria. Bring out the bleach.
There, I said it.
Give the Governor a Harumph!
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:42 am
Years ago all these kids were locked up in industrial schools – maybe the christian brothers had it right and a good buggering put manners on them – then again maybe not,it’ll only cost us in compo later..
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:42 am
I agree with parents been resposible for 10 or 12 year olds. But soom of these 16 year old thugs are afraid of no one, especially their parents. lock them up!.
Seriously. Its the obvious answer and the only answer. Proper prisons and proper sentences
March 19th, 2008 @ 11:56 am
The problem is that parents – not just skanger parents – now believe parenting should inconvenience them as little as possible, and are passing this attittude on to their spawn. Look at the McCanns – 3 young kids but still believed they were entitled to go on a foreign holiday, just like they used to, and that they were entitled to go out for a meal with all their mates, just like they used to.
Your life changes when you have a kid – get used to that.
It’s the same with parents here – keep up the drinking, keep up the swearing, keep up the contempt of the laws, keep up the constant anger at life – don’t change one bit just coz you now have a kid who’ll look up to you & will do as you do for the rest of their lives.
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:02 pm
Careful what you write about Britain’s answer to Doctor Spock – you don’t want Twenty to have to give them £550K !
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:07 pm
Justice system reform is needed.
Effective enforcement of the law.
A *real* deterant is needed not more cops on the street, although we could do with more of the ones we do have outside of the stations. Policing strategy and management has to change.
Social change will follow.
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:12 pm
Could be borrow some Chinese police ?
They would soon sort the little cunts out.
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:12 pm
You are dead right Mr Tinman.
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
Well, if people will insist on re-electing the same government over and over (and chances are plenty of the previous commenters did so) then this is what you get.
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
Yep, agree with Tinman.
There’s also a culture of “*YOU* don’t tell *MY* kids what to do”.
So if you see anti-social behaviour and you tell the little cunts to cut it out, the parents attitude is not “Hey kids cut that out”, its “Hey you fucker, don’t you dare tell my kids off regardless of what they’re doing”.
Fucking cunts the lot of ‘em…
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
Not me Zorkmundsson – I didn’t vote for the cunts once.
Although the FF TD in our constituency was very effective as a councillor – once he was nominated for the general election I knew he’d become another FF lapdog. A spineless, “no, it’s all going fine, really” excuse monger.
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:26 pm
Obv. i can’t accuse anyone specifically, TBA, but someone voted for FF/PD, and they’ve been very quiet about it ever since.
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
There’s also a culture of “*YOU* don’t tell *MY* kids what to do”.
Too true! I had to help someone out a couple of years back whose front door was broken up by a 40(ish) year old pregnant knacker, aided by the same scumbag kids she had criticized.
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:31 pm
I appreciate that – I just wanted to make sure you knew I didn’t. :oP
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
I voted FF because I belive they are better than any of the alternatives.
The goverment are afraid to take drastic measures because of all the fucking do-gooders who’ll say “oh you can’t lock him up and throw away the key, he needs to be rehabilitated”
No he fucking doesn’t. He needs to be locked up. He needs to suffer. He needs to go without his playstation, his mobile, his fags, his drugs and his fucking freedom
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:41 pm
you’ll have heard it before and prob disagree, Peadar, but there are societal reasons people behave in the way they do. if a government explicitly believes that social inequality is necessary, or at least inevitable, for national economic success then there’s not much can be legitimately complained about when those on the lower-end of the socio-economic scale kick the fuck off. reap what you sow (?) and all that.
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:42 pm
I voted FF because I belive they are better than any of the alternatives. (sic)
Really Peadar? Please explain to me how any other Government could be as bad as one that does nothing except look after themselves.
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:43 pm
cant believe wat happened to this taxi driver!i know this fella an hes a decent guy.i live beside him a while now an u wouldnt meet a nicer guy,now granted i dont now him a long time,but i cant for the life of me understand why someone would do this??especially if his gf and child was wit him at the time! can anyone shed anymore light on this for me about wat happened? i just hope that whoever done this is locked up an the key thrown away cos that poor kid now has lost a dad who adored him an i dont know but probably watched him die!!! he was only about 2 yrs old!! :(
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:54 pm
Sure, if everyone were as well off as each other there would probably be less crime, certain types of crime anyway. And yes we should aspire to a society with equality throughout. How do we achieve that? I haven’t a fucking clue. That’s for better minds than mine.
But regardless of what creates these people it doesn’t change the fact that good people have a right to be protected.
It fucking disgusts me that the thugs who stabbed those polish guys in the head with fucking screwdrivers are still roaming free. I repeat what I said before, someone capable of doing what they did cannot be rehabilitated. At best they can be deterred by fear of the repercussions. At the moment there is no fear because there are no repercussions
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
“And yes we should aspire to a society with equality throughout. How do we achieve that?”
by not voting for political parties who have the interests of business, and not of the people, at heart.
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:59 pm
Really Peadar? Please explain to me how any other Government could be as bad as one that does nothing except look after themselves.
That’s such a sweeping statement there’s no point in even trying to answer it. If that’s what you believe, I’m sure I’ll have no chance of convincing you otherwise
March 19th, 2008 @ 12:59 pm
Michael McDowell would sort it out.
He’d say something disgraceful under Dail priviledge; leak documents to his friend Sam Smyth and generally pursue personal grudges while ignoring the bigger issues.
hang on; he already did that didn’t he?
Lenehin will sort it all out then
*burp
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
Just saw this on the RTE website regarding the young man who lost his finger;
Gardaí have not ruled out his story that he was attacked by a group of five men, but they also are examining the possibility that he could have caught his finger in something as he ran and severed it accidentally.
What next? People stabbing themselves to death?
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:05 pm
I don’t know who’s going to sort it out.
In my opinion Bertie & co. have a better chance of sorting it than Enda & co.
Enda Kenny just makes me laugh. I can never take him serious, the fucking gimp
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
and what does “sorting it out” mean, Peadar? btw, I don’t mean to pester you but at least you’ve got the gumption to admit voting for FF, and are willing to defend it. very few of your fellow supporters feel the same.
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
Ye, I just heard on the radio that the gardai are convinced it did not happen as the result of an assault
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:11 pm
In my opinion sorting it means building more prisons and locking up more people.
But is society ready to accept locking up 15 year olds?
And btw I don’t feel pestered so no worries
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:12 pm
C’mon Peadar, do you seriously think that the current Government’s solution will be anything other than increased fines or taxation? Every solution they ever came up with is a money-spinner.
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
” In my opinion sorting it means building more prisons and locking up more people.
But is society ready to accept locking up 15 year olds?
And btw I don’t feel pestered so no worries”
reasonable men can disagree, wha’?
i would argue that “sorting it out” means working towards fixing the problems that result in people behaving in anti-social ways. people aren’t born bad, they’re made that way, and for lasting civility, we have to get rid of the factors that make them so.
that said, punishment is as much a part of the criminal system as rehabilitation, and rightly so. locking people up and throwing away the whatsit, however, will not come close to solving the problem.
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:22 pm
No matter who the goverment is they’ll be guided by public reaction.
And that should be a demand for proper jail sentences for any crime, and longer jail sentences for voilent crime, no matter what the age of the culprit.
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:23 pm
Well said Zorkmundsson. Much better than the kneejerk McDowellisms we’re used to here.
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
“No matter who the goverment is they’ll be guided by public reaction.
And that should be a demand for proper jail sentences for any crime, and longer jail sentences for voilent crime, no matter what the age of the culprit.”
and then what? just relying on locking people up is not going to solve anything in the long term; those convicted will come out hardened, embittered, and unemployable. and so more criminal.
and, to be fair, the public had the chance to “react” during the general election. it is events, and not public reaction to those events, that should inform the behaviour of government.
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:29 pm
Perhaps we’re both right to a certain extent. I agree that kids aren’t born bad and if we can do something to prevent them turning bad, then great.
But there will always be some who turn out as thugs for whatever reason.
My main point is that there is no real deterrent to make these thugs think twice before carrying out there crime.
Now I need a fucking sandwich, I’m starving
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:32 pm
reasonable discussion? on the internet? i won’t have it!
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
Heres the fucking Job ….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore
http://flashwarner.com/images/caning1.jpg
I can walk the red light area at 2-3 in the morning and never ever have i encountered any trouble what so ever
By jesus if any of my kids ever got arrested Id ring the seargent and tell him to scare the fuck out of em …by whatever fucking means
and leave em there for a couple of days … that would put manners on em
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
Ive said this before. Anyone sentenced to more than 5 yrs in prison, take them out and shoot them. Once someone has commited three serious crimes, shoot them. Kids who go car-jacking, you got it, shoot them. And theyre parents.
These people are NEVER going to give anything to society except pro-create more leeches that will persevere with violence and getting money off the state.
We need a totalitarianism regime to cleanse this filth from our country. Do you think that if this happened somewhere with a iron-fisted ruler for example Burma, they would tolerate it? Fuck that. They would be in there and cleansing anyone remotely connected. That will prevent others from following the same course.
And before someone rags on about burma, i know its a bad example. However, the junta has the right idea of how to deal with things. Extreme violence is the only thing these people will ever understand and respect.
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
“Ive said this before. Anyone sentenced to more than 5 yrs in prison, take them out and shoot them.”
and thus was my faith in internet lunacy restored.
March 19th, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
Just aiming to please :)
March 19th, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
Unfortunately bleating about solving the underlying issues will not solve the problem, because no-one will agree on a course of action. No, people are not made bad but it is not as simplistic as you all seem to think. I have worked ion areas of huge social deprivation, and seen both good and bad from these areas, I myself am from a fairly comfortable “middle-class” background and in my late teens/early twenties did not behave in an admirable fashion. I can see the social background argument in a mining village with 85% unemployment but please do not compare the current Ireland with that and make excuses. The underlying issue is responsibilty, that is personal responsibility, parental responsibility and social responsibility and the lack thereof. However you need to take corrective action if the situation is out of control like it is just now. We are not starting with a level playing field.
March 19th, 2008 @ 2:30 pm
“Instead of ordinary Gardai being drafted in to deal with the like of those cunts in Finglas send a riot squad with batons and instructions to use them.
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I have never known the garda without knowledge on the use of the baton. Templemore 101 my friend, however I do know the ability of the politicians to hide behind their desks when it comes to making decisions in relation to knackers , pikies and scummers in general.
Tea and horse riding at John Gilligans house anyone.
March 19th, 2008 @ 2:32 pm
perhaps a solution would be an increase in neighbourhood watch type things,
a group of responsible people (mainly men I would suspect) that will group together to protect a community.
A few problems I could see would be :
1. these neighbourhood watch things getting in trouble with the law for giving a some little rat a bruise or two.
2. the neighbourhood watch not being very responsible
March 19th, 2008 @ 2:37 pm
also it would promote a sense of community.
also if the little thugs recognised an uncle, or a friend of their father they might feel shame if they get caught doing something.
March 19th, 2008 @ 2:50 pm
I agree with Zorkmundsen. Much as I wish it would solve the problem, merely locking these young thugs away can’t the the whole answer. It often makes it worse. They get in there with the real hardmen who become role-models, they make contacts, they work out in gyms (in the US this is true anyway) until they’re more bulldogs coming out than the skinny whippets they went in as.
They’re often twice as dangerous when they’re released and recidivism rates show us that tougher sentencing alone does bugger all in solving a societal problem as deep-rooted as this. Having said that, I’m sorely tempted to lock some of these parents up. The ones that can be manifestly shown to have not given a rat’s furry balls about what their kids are up to. I don’t know what the answer is but I suspect that holding parents responsible for any kid of their’s who’s already been in trouble with the law would change the numbers a bit.
March 19th, 2008 @ 2:52 pm
Re locking them up – who said anything about letting them out again?!
March 19th, 2008 @ 3:06 pm
Re locking them up – who said anything about letting them out again?!
exactly.
And the prisons need to be unpleasnt places, so if they are let out (after a suitably long time) they’ll not want to go back
March 19th, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
Morgor – are you proposing vigilante groups? Sort of like the Ku Klux Klan? There should be no need for this if the police force are doing their job properly. And prison should be punishment – tney should be fully employed doing shit mundane brain dead type jobs – not a cushy rehab number, at least not in the first years of sentence. Anyone who suffers real punishment won’t want to repeat it, whereas if they have all mod cons including free university education, fully equipped gyms, then its not a bad little number. The two young thugs who murdered Jamie Bulger have apparently been set up for life in Australia with a new identity, jobs, cash and police protection. Like celebs.
March 19th, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
Morgor – are you proposing vigilante groups? Sort of like the Ku Klux Klan?
What a fucking stupid comparison.
I agree 100 percent with the rest of your comment
March 19th, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
There’s no reason why prisoners shouldn’t contribute to their own upkeep. They’re meant to be paying a debt to society, right? Not just sitting out their debt to to society. Have them do hospital laundry 8 hours a day or make them grow their own food, I don’t know, but make them work at something to offset the expense to the rest of us of their being in prison.
In some states in the US, they’re using chain gangs on the roads again. Prisoners also make state license plates and things but – get this – they’re paid for it. What the hell? Like they’re not enough of an expensive blight on society. Of course, this country doesn’t win any prizes for the effectiveness of incarceration but prison should not be a holiday for these hardened little thugs. Make them do an honest day’s work for the first time in their sorry lives.
March 19th, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
shebah, erm no, where the fuck are you getting KKK out of?
March 19th, 2008 @ 4:17 pm
[...] Twenty goes off on a signature rant on scumbags and violence and how to deal with it. Unfortunately, the devil is in the details. You’d have to be captain genius himself to figure out how to solve the issue. [...]
March 19th, 2008 @ 4:26 pm
Morgor – Seemed a logical progression as some posters referred to pikeys etc. What might start as a well meaning group to keep thugs under control could rattle off the rails fairly quickly into a group of vigilantes who go just that bit too far and annoint themselves with all sort of powers. Maybe its cos I watched Gone with the Wind last week and some of the good guys turned out to be out at night in the sheets with eyeholes!
March 19th, 2008 @ 4:46 pm
ah ok, i see understand your train of thought now.
But I wasn’t proposing KKK or any sort of “Final Solution”.
March 19th, 2008 @ 5:01 pm
Morgor – I have to admit I sometime see the benefit of a lethal injection when I read about some of the evil fuckwits around – particularly when it involves abuse of small children and babies. So I also have my bloodthirsty revenge moments, fortunately shortlived.
March 19th, 2008 @ 5:18 pm
Where were the fucking guards when all this was going on in finglas…..out stopping people for speeding no doubt of eating doughnuts or doing something usless…. time them cunts got up off their arses and done something right for a change….time ireland started a nuclear programme and tested a warhead in finglas BANG problem solved.
March 19th, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
What we need is a broad range of measures, instead of just the one final solution.
It cant be that hard to:
- Take away or cut benefits and welfare for the parents who are completely cocking up the upbringing of their children. If a minor gets in trouble, cut the parents benefits.
- If someone over 18 gets in trouble, we need tougher sentances and the death penalty for extremely serious cases like the Polish murders.
Also when in prison, these scumbags need to cost us as little as possible by actually working for no pay (they should see this work as a reward to relieve them from the crippling boredom of prison life!)
- Can we not take a look at sterilisation of parents who are PROVEN to be unfit to raise children..
etc etc..its really not up to us to create or enforce the solutions, its up to us to pick the right people to do so!
I live 15 mins from the spot this poor cabbie got murdered and im absolutely fucking disgusted. These arent people, theyre a waste of valuable oxygen.
March 19th, 2008 @ 6:50 pm
The whole lot should be publicly nuetered. The entire family –male and female regardless of age, from the cradle to the one preparing to go to the graveyard. Don’t miss any. It’s the only solution and it will keep them from breeding. After they lose their nuts and their egg sacks they will become complacent, get fat, have strokes, heart attacks and die. And it’s cheap. Just use a rusty old knife. No anesthetic either.
March 19th, 2008 @ 7:09 pm
It’s a sad, sad state of affairs. I think papalamour and tinman hit on what I would suggest for the betterment of the country, but realistically, no solution would suit the majority ever.
I think the idea of public humiliation is brilliant – the stocks etc. except you do it Medieval style. You dont post a guard on the stocks to ensure the little shits safety, you just lock them up and leave them there in teh middle of Henry street on Saturday morning.
I am also of the opinion that this isn’t going to stop until the idea of human and civil rights can be cast aside for a set-time in order to deal with it.
I’ve seen the chain gangs in the US out on the highways picking up rubbish – and good for them too. It is going to take a very heavy and violent hand to sort Ireland out though.
March 20th, 2008 @ 10:39 am
That situation in Finglas requires a bit more than just Gardai with batons – they’d need full riot squads with cs gas, water cannons and plastic bullets. Then just batter the living sh1te out of them. Get them in a cage or enclosure, keep them wet and awake for 48 hours and let’s see how smart they are after that. Also keep firearm units standing by in case some of the vermin shoot back as has happened in some riots abroad.
March 20th, 2008 @ 10:42 am
Also we could have some sort of deal with Russia. they send us a science or medical graduate to work here, in return we send them 4 or 5 useless parasitic feral skangers to send to work mining salt or uranium in Siberia. That would learn them.
March 20th, 2008 @ 3:00 pm
“When you find somebody who will kill a taxi driver rather than pay his fare you’re dealing with somebody whose mind is beyond repair. Fuck him, cut your losses, send cunts like him to a fucking island and leave them there.”
They sent them here….
March 21st, 2008 @ 12:20 am
Ireland needs more handguns in the hands of the citizenry.
Snap a Glock under the chin of that kid holding the screwdriver at your throat and he’ll drop it real fast.
March 21st, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
Send in the army, with full riot gear, beat the tar out of anyone standing around.
Some junkie scumbag stole my sons girlfriends handbag today. Personally, I would chop his hands off at the wrist, let the life drain out of his useless shell.
March 22nd, 2008 @ 2:49 pm
Zorkmundsson said:
“i would argue that “sorting it out” means working towards fixing the problems that result in people behaving in anti-social ways. people aren’t born bad, they’re made that way, and for lasting civility, we have to get rid of the factors that make them so.”
Would you accept that people can be born ‘lazy’ or ‘stupid’? Are you prepared to consider that that might be what drives them to take the easy option?
March 22nd, 2008 @ 4:15 pm
Well – this is fine note for an American proud of his Irish ancestry to read. Why in hell do you folks fund this sort of crap ? THE most sensible economy in the entire EU, and still you put up with this ? Just effing pitiful.
And I suppose the very idea of any of the victims having some reasonable means to defend themselves is simply beyond discussion. Sad.
But, in my humble opinion, we don’t get enough immigration from the Auld Sod these days, so, if you’re inclined, by all means, come on over. You can get rich, or starve to death on the streets, but, in most places, you can at least shoot back if you’re attacked.
March 24th, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
I was in court recently for a minor public order drunken indiscretion, and it was an interesting day out to see just how moronic knackers can be. All that were called were multiple re-offenders and most of these imbeciles gave cheek to the judge and the prosecuting guards prior to sentencing.
Fair enough, I got a few laughs out of it, but I can’t see the point of sending these degenerates away for brief spells in Mountjoy. Habitual lags should be sent to labour camps (perhaps to facilitate road-building etc.), and I would also be in favour of public floggings. Rather than the issue be about number of gardai, an election manifesto should cite the type of punishment being dished out to these rampant scumbags.