Gay Byrne was a TV presenter who, for many years, presented the Late, Late Show on a Saturday then Friday night. He was in the chair for something like a hundred years and people loved him. Not me, I always thought he was an annoying little prick, but there you go.
He retired some years back and was spending his free time zooming around the country on the Harley Davidson motorbike that U2 bought him as a going away present (no, really). Then, back in 2006, he was appointed the Chairman of a newly created body called the RSA (the Road Safety Authority) The principle objective of the RSA is:
To provide an environment for all road users that maximises safety and provides for efficient use of our road network.
Splendid. Basically they are tasked with making roads safer, drivers safer and to decrease the amount of fatalities on our roads. Now, I’ve been down this road before. I would suggest that 95% of all road accidents are caused by stupidity.
There really is nothing the RSA can do to make stupid people less stupid. So, my basic stand on the matter is that as long as you let stupid people drive cars then there will always be accidents. You might as well just accept that. However, this whole thing became a national issue. There were lurid headline about ‘carnage on our roads’ and the like. You would have thought that nothing else mattered the way the print and broadcast media went on about it. It was to then what cocaine is to now.
So, the government had to do something. They set up the RSA and got a well-known person to be its public figurehead. And as much as I think Gay Byrne is an annoying prick I’m sure he had good intentions. I’m sure he thought he might be able to do some good. On paper it sounds like a worthy effort but the reality is somewhat different.
Despite all the campaigning there were 2 more road deaths in January 08 than in January 07. So far 33 people have died on our roads this year as opposed to 32 this time last year. Is the campaigning making any difference at all?
Gay Byrne is currently at odds with the Department of Transport because there are only 3 working speed cameras in the country. A tender was put out in 2006 and the Minister for Transport is pointing the finger of blame at the Department of Justice because they are the ones who will fund the roll out of the devices (estimated cost €50m). Gaybo is now threatening to resign and he probably should because quite frankly he’s pissing in the wind. The government needed someone or some body that they could pass the buck to so public criticism of deaths on the roads wouldn’t reflect badly on them. That’s why the RSA was set up, no other reason. The government don’t really care about road accidents, especially when doing something about them is likely to cost them money.
He is a puppet, a public face to deflect criticism of the Minister for Transport and the government in general. And I think he now realises that the beaurocracy and red tape involved in something like this is just a cover for the fact they don’t give a shit. Let’s face it, if they can’t provide the proper resources for important things like, you know, the health service, what makes him think they’ll throw all their weight behind this vanity project?
And if I were him I’d get the fuck out of dodge before the speed cameras finally got approved and installed.They won’t change the number of deaths on the road. The tender was sent out for private companies to run the cameras. As such all they will do is make whoever wins that tender very, very rich. People will still die. If, by some miracle of common sense, the cameras were government run and monies raised went back into fixing potholes or other road associated causes then you might not be so inclined to give out, but the idea that some bunch of cunts is just going to fire out letters to people then roll around in the cheques as they come pouring in is fucking nonsense. People will still die because speed cameras are for profit, nothing else.
You look at the UK and critics of speed cameras point to the fact that cameras are placed where they will earn the most revenue, not where they might be more effective at cutting road deaths. So, if Gay Byrne wants to resign over that then he should go right ahead. He probably should get out before he becomes known as the man who foisted yet another rip-off idea on the Irish motoring public. Add it to the list, the NCT, the driving test fee, there are millions being sucked out of our pockets every single year all in the name of road safety but people still die.
Somewhere in the region of 350 people will die on the roads in Ireland this year. Most of those people’s deaths will have been caused by an act of stupidity, perhaps not their own, but somebody’s all the same. So unless the RSA can come up with a plan to stop idiots from driving then they might as well sit around scratching their holes for all the good they can do.
And if I was Gay Byrne I’d blem around the place on my motorbike and give a little nod of thanks every time I got home safely.
Bollocks to this plan of privatising speed cameras, I think that the government should set up a fund for private vehicles to be be fitted with speed detection devices. The unit could be used in conjunction with a GPS system which knows the speed limit for each road and if an infraction is detected then a 3G modem will upload the video footage to a command centre server. The videos would then be examined by a HUMAN and, if appropriate, a fine would be sent to the owner of the vehicle.
The government could coax 4000-5000 people to have these units anonymously fitted to their vehicles and pay them a percentage of each fine collected based on their recorded footage. That way no one will ever know where or when or on which road they may be busted.
Having said that, I do agree that stupid drivers are to blame for most accidents. Retarded cunts.
Is it because it takes so long to get a driving test/full licence, which means there are lots of untutored “provisional licence” drivers on the road?
Tractors . Thats the answer
Shure if we all drove tractors there wouldn’t be half the accidents.
I said it before and I’ll say it agin
a Tractor is your only man ..
you can’t bate a good tractor
I heard him on Newstalk today….. threatening to retire AGAIN! don’t hold your breath he loves the limelight
Agree with you 100% Twenty. Why do they sell cars that are capable of doing speeds of 120 MPH in the first place? Why not put a governer under the accelerator when the car is being NCT’d? That way you couldn’t go faster then say 70 MPH. A small measure but one that might work. Same as the fags, if they were really concerned about our health/welfare they should just ban them outright. Only snag is where that lost revenue would come from? Fucking two-faced pricks the lot of them.
Bald Devil loves you all.
So do you get points on your license in Ireland as well as a fine if you get caught speeding (camera or otherwise)? Just curious as you don’t mention it above.
I’m one of those against speed cameras in the UK, at least as they’re used right now. The money coming in from them – like road tax – certainly does *not* go towards the good things they’re supposed to and generally results in rich people driving fast and passing out the resultant penalty points to other office staff, partners, friends etc.
The biggest evilness is the “guilty until proven innocent” madness that surrounds them. Car registered in your name? Not driving when the camera flashed? Well, it’s up to *you* to detect and locate the offender and get them to confess otherwise you’re convicted of a crime you didn’t commit. Don’t try to use the “don’t know who was driving” excuse as it will go to court, and the fine jumps up massively.
Having said that, nobody bats an eyelash if your partner, son, office colleague or whoever steps into the breach to stop you going over the 11-point limit and losing your license. I even know of people in an office I used to work in who’d take the points on their license in exchange for a bit of cash.
So essentially, road safety be buggered – all they’re interested in is the cash, not catching the people who are driving too fast (note: too fast, not dangerously).
By all means have the cameras. Road for 100m around every primary school in the country should be limited to 20mph. But that’s as far as it should go. When I rule the world I’m having all the one on A roads (usually the only stretch for 15 miles where you can overtake that cunting lorry that’s been doing 35mph for the last 20 mins) taken out, recalibrated and dropped outside schools.
*rant over*
COCKING speed cameras.
Bald Devil – I think the whole issue of governors is that they’d be an invasion of our civil liberties or something. And you can always drive as fast as you fucking like off-road. I think that’s the argument used, anyway.
Anyone else checked the figures for road safety in Germany? No limit on most of the autobahns, and *fewer* accidents per year. France has fewer cars per capita, on average a French person drives far less distance per year than an English person – yet their accident rate is significantly higher.
This is because French drivers are fucking *shit*, not because they go too fast. As 20 says – idiocy, not speed.
You can tell this is a pet hate of mine, can’t you.
*rant really over this time*
Wotcha Mosh.
I mentioned the speed limiter things a while back but I’m not sure they’d make a huge difference. Even if your car has a limiter to stop it going above 70 what’s to stop you doing 70 around a housing estate etc? I’d imagine most accidents take place at less than 70mph.
And they introduced a penalty points system a while back. All it means is that people have penalty points, I’m quite sure no lives have been saved because of it.
Spot on Twenty – there are parts of the U.S. where kids can’t graduate from school until they have completed driver education. They also have effective enforcement in most States. The Irish road situation as you have outlined the RSA mess is just typical of us – see also our health service, special needs education etc etc. By the way most (60%) of penalty point cases fail due to all manner of technicalities. If you’re looking for a morning’s free “entertainment”, a visit to the Richmond District Court, which handles most of the driving offences in the Dublin area, is worth a visit. Also very good if you are looking for a cheap way to treat low blood pressure.
Very simnply, Ireland has the worst driver education in Europe. Still, in terms of road deaths per 100,000 we are about in the middle.
Bad roads, bad drivers, I’m surprised there aren’t more deaths from road accidents.
Then there was the suggestion that as many as 25% of the driver deaths on the road are suicides.
Those 25-year olders in Donegal who drive into a tree at 3am, no drugs, no alcohol — what else but suicide?
On February 7th, 2008 at 8:47 am Yacuncha said:
“Those 25-year olders in Donegal who drive into a tree at 3am, no drugs, no alcohol — what else but suicide?”
Nah, it’s because after dark in Ireland, everyone drives around on full beam blinding every other cunt coming towards them!
Deaths only really occur in the Muldoon counties so I dont really care. But as for the privatized speed cameras, NIGHTMARE. We already have the private clamping companies who clamp you outside your own house. Imagine what these speed camera freaks will be able to do.
Clampers are the biggest cunts of all time. Again, private companies getting rich and most of the time they clamp people who aren’t even causing an obstruction.
And even if you are causing an obstruction how is making the car immobile going to help? Cunting cunts.
The official list: “Fatal Collision Statistics 2008″ so far this year:
http://www.garda.ie/statistics98/nroadstats.html
It’s a combination of bad drivers, bad roads and stupid signs. For instance you are driving in a 50kph limit and on approach to a roundabout the speed limit goes up to 60kph! When common sense tells you that you should be slowing down. Now what sort of little bollix was it that dreamt that up ?
Morons they are. Someone somewhere should stand up to this privitization madnees for the speed cameras.
The clampers moved my sisters car and clamped it. From a position it wasnt causing any obstruction.
Imagine a private speed camera company who, for example, changes the speed the camera detects by 1km/h, 5km/h ? Who’d know? Maybe no one for ages. And those cunts rolling around in their ill-gotten cash.
Well that’s it. Will the speed cameras be independently audited? My hole.
Like the fucking M50 and NCT some cunts will get seriously rich and nobody will blow them up like they deserve to be.
“Those 25-year olders in Donegal who drive into a tree at 3am, no drugs, no alcohol — what else but suicide?”
Yacuncha, the state of the roads up there is so unbelievably awful that it’s easy to understand why such drivers die: you’re mostly talking about young men driving at well over the speed limit on back roads that have no road markings, no lighting, a pothole every 20 yards, and no police around to provide even a hint of a deterrent (they’re all sitting around outside the local pub, waiting for everyone to leave at 4am so they can go in themselves).
But, mitigating circumstances aside – the reason those 25-year olds are dying is they’re too fucking stupid to drive safely.
People drive cars.
People are young, old, happy, sad, mad, sane, sober, drunk, stoned… whatever.
People drive too fast, too slow, just right.
Even the best drivers make mistakes.
Accidents will happen.
People will die. Get over it.
I drive for living and drive to Ireland quite regular the roads are not to blame it’s the clowns on them, why does hardly anyone in Ireland not know what to do when they come to roundabout I always thought that going round in circles was what they were good at, and it was that what made them dizzy in the first place.
I stopped in a place called Granard, Co Longford, one night last year and they had just put in a pedestrian crossing the drivers did’nt know how to use it, the pedestrians did’nt know when to cross, first week it was there a woman got knocked down on it, there was people going into the post office asking when they thought might be the best time to cross the road, “cnut” asked the question if more tutoring might help I wonder where he got that idea from, with bright sparks like that you’d wonder why it’s so bad.
Best enforcement? Police. An actual human being who can tell if you’re driving too fast *for the conditions*, tailgating, racing your mates through a housing estate, undertaking on the motorway… All the things a cocking camera can’t do.
But of course that would pull police away from their important jobs as paper-shufflers, form-fillers and desk-seat-warmers that they’ve become under current government (I assume the boys in blue over there are being forced to do office work as much as the poor buggers over here are).
Ye I think people need to accept that accidents happen. That doesnt mean the government cant do it’s best to alleviate some of the problems which cause those accidents. Potholes, like you said, nightmare.
There is a pothole on the Navan road, a main west Dublin artery, that would annihilate anyone on a motorbike or scooter. I drive a bike, I just noticed it for the first time last week. What will they say when some 20something year old breaks his neck at 11pm after hitting it, they’ll say he was speeding, the cunts.
It is not stupidity you ranting idiots, it is the attitude of the drivers, I am king (queen) of the road and fuck everybody else. Driving too fast is not stupid, it is irresponsible, you are talking about the me generation, blame someone else.
Surely thinking you are king of the road (no matter how many trailers you have for sale or rent) is stupid.
Driving too fast is more stupid than irresponsible.
Driving fast is not stupid. Driving *too* fast, as you correctly stated is stupid.
Driving at 120mph in a safe, well-maintained car on an empty motorway at 2am while sober and having had plenty of sleep is not stupid… except in the eyes of the law. It is not too fast for the surrounding environment at that time.
Driving at 60mph on the same motorway, weaving around queueing traffic and tailgating *is* stupid… but won’t be picked up by any kind of camera short of CCTV.
Is there any way to pin roads deaths on the catholic church?
That’d be fun.
(hmm maybe, they were praying too much, or reading the bible while driving)
The RSA is the HSE for roads, more well paid stooges for government failure.
Is there any way to pin roads deaths on the catholic church?
That’d be fun.
At a stretch, vaguely, remotely, maybe you could claim the Padro Pio sticker was a blind spot, if you crashed while reversing up a dark alley with no lights on.
good enough for me.
or there was a priest flashing you and you were distracted and crashed.
I’m not one to make sweeping generalisations, but all priests are perverts. FACT.
Mucksavage – tractors are responsible for more workplace deaths than anything else.
Twenty – clampers are indeed cunts, and a cut at the clampers is long overdue.
Speeding – Government (particularly Dept. of Justice) likes to dress this problem up, but it’s really quite simple and they have it sorted in Oz. You need two things: Information – so that people are aware of the dangers (boring but true) and enforcement. If people are not given consequences for drink/driving or speeding, they won’t change their behaviour. Deliverers of consequences = guards. Management of guards = DoJ. And that prick McDowell NEVER got abuse about this issue when he was zieg-heil-ing his way around car parks with Sindo journalits.
So next time someone says this is a difficult issue, tell them to stick it up their fucking hole and remind them that more people died through suicide last year than on the roads.
But most of all get angry. Online. That’ll show the cunts.
Yyou’re right Twenty. All that has happened is that the media have another excuse to plaster pictures of twisted metal wrecks all over our conciousness, burning the pictures indelibly into the minds of suffering families all over the place. Then it’s packaged up by the powers that be in order to sell us another crock of shit dressed up as a solution.
First impressions last.
When Gaybo was appointed to his new job by Martin Cullen, he went on the Pat Kenny show and referred to Fine Gael, labour – opposition – as “the other crowd”.
he immediately made his position political – fucking idiot. Arrogant cunt too. As for the way he treated Bishop casey’s lover…..
Yip – just like the HSE.
Byrne = Drumm.
Too many comments to read and for me to know if I’m repeating what others said, but if we could get all those pre 95 cars off the road and all the left hand drives off the road – than we’d be in better shape.
Oh – and stupidedly low speed limits, you know 40km on the N!!, 100 on the limerick clare by-pass. 80km on good roads. That would help prevent people from trying to overtake.
When did this become a serious debate website??
Serious lack of juvenile banter today…
Surely you could have done a post on the poet who was riding all them young lads down in nepal… would have much better potential for smut…
Surely…
The speed limits on rural roads are too high.
Newsflash : tits bum farts.
(happy now Sam?)
Careful SAm, he might yet injunct RTE from showing the documentary because the pre publicity is damaging his reputation.
Where can you get a statistic on the numbers non-fatally injured in road accidents throughout Ireland annually? Personally I would rather be wiped out completely than survive my remaining days as a vegetable and have to be cared for 24hours a day.
Also people going on about annual numbers of road deaths in comparison with years gone by fail to take into account population fluctuations – we need to compare percentages of fatalaties vs. population (and even factor in road standard improvement; average car speed/engine size; number of fully licensed drivers; average number of years driving) in order to accurately see if we’re getting better or worse as a nation of drivers.
Like Twenty said, however, Gaybo(llocks) is currently “pissing in the wind”…
People point towards the state of the roads and say that inappropriate speed rather than just speed kills but the fact remains people drive like cunts!
What happened to keeping left on a dual carriageway or motorway. I drove to Naas at rush hour the other day and travelled the whole way in the left hand lane while every other cunt was obsessed with being in one of the “fast” lanes. There were so many cars in them they were anything but fast. Of course, I was a little naughty by undertaking them all but… meh!
When approaching a roundabout any fucking lane will do. When they inevitably come inches from taking the front of somebodys car of, they blare the horn at them for being in the way in the first place.
Making a right turn? Only indicate after you start to turn. They are called indicators for a reason – they indicate your intention to turn. Right now the biggest indicator that you are turning is the fact that you are actually mid turn. Don’t give me any warning or anything will you.
An that’s IF they indicate – so many people seem to think that indicators are special lights to help you get in the festive spirit at Christmas.
AND they DON’T give you right of way!
But apart from all that, I don’t have any complaints.
Surely you could have done a post on the poet who was riding all them young lads down in nepal… would have much better potential for smut…
Surely…
Poets are cunts *cough* but who am I to lambaste a man simply because he is a practitioner of the brown arts?
radio f.c , the figures you mention were on the radio tuesday night i think.
measuring car fatalities per million.
the figure has been dropping steadily (i think)
You’re 100% right. He is an annoying little prick.
This is completely off subject but… Terry Wogan mentioned Macdara this morning on BBC Radio 2
A puppet for the RSA and we will also have a puppet for the Eurovision – another Irish solution…..I give up. By the way where is Yippee?
He was a patronising prick when he was on the late late. Everyone got a pat on the head from ‘Uncle Gaybo’ when they were on his show.
He was on the Last Word yesterday and fair play to him, he’s capable of talking sense when he wants. He might actually be capable of knocking heads together and putting pressure on the government to do something right.
As long as our transport minister is a knob-end like Noel Dempsey tho, fuck all will change. Chains are only as strong as the weakest link and all that…
2 people just crashed into each other outside my office. Brilliant, 2 pikeys and a southsider. The abuse was flying.
This is completely off subject but… Terry Wogan mentioned Macdara this morning on BBC Radio 2
Did he? What did he say?
Just working with the whole ‘Gaybo(llocks)’ – we could call him Gayballs which is amusingly close to Goebels?
Anyone? Anyone? Nazi joke anyone? Here’s one to drop to the next Polish person you end up chatting to:
Knock-knock.
Who’s there?
The German Army.
Hey 20 FYI got this from Amazon UK re book order to states
Unfortunately, the release date for the item(s) listed below was changed by the supplier, and we
need to provide you with a new estimated delivery date based on the new release date:
“The Order of the Phoenix Park” [Paperback]
Estimated arrival date: 15/04/08 – 22/04/08
We are sorry for any inconvenience this causes.
Guess I just gotta wait !
Speaking of Poles I heard one ask another what a creche was.
Stan said, “A car accident in Foxrock.”
10 Park Drive -> Castleknock?
How many people have you heard moan about how hard the driving test is and how many times it took them to pass it? The fact is the driving test in Ireland is not difficult. It’s actually much easier than in some other countries. The motorcycle test in particular is a complete joke – the bike being tested is followed by a tester in a car who frankly unless you cause a major accident can’t fail you because he can’t see what the hell you’re doing.
Until people are forced to take a certain number of lessons from a qualified instructor, they should not be allowed take the test, or drive on public roads. And I’d bring in everyone who got their licenses without testing back in the 60s and make them take lessons and do the test too.
I’ve lived in places where most of the roads are single track and there was noone to moniter speed, and where the roads are as wide as runways and there were speed cameras everywhere. I can’t be sure but it sure seemed to me that people were dying at about the same rate. I hear news all the time from both places and the vast majority of the time the victims are young and going too fast. Young people think they are invincible – it’s part of the fun and charm of youth. They are stupid – that’s part of the fun and charm of youth too. They are dangerous with cars and that’s not fun or charming. But your messing with human nature here – caution not yet learned. The only way is to try and put the fear of God and hot twisted metal into them. At driver training schools, don’t hold back – show them pictures of accidents and victims – preferably local – and scare them into being more careful drivers.
I say this as a mother living in a country where kids are driving around at 16 in great big power cars adn SUVs, often doing incalculable damage – this winter’s been very hard for teen deaths in the valley I live in. My kids will be there in 10 years and I have no problem scaring them with the harder facts of life if it’ll keep them from killing themselves or others. Sure, they’ll still feel the impulse to go fast, but they’ll be equipped with the graphic knowledge of what might well happen if they do. At that age, I needed stuff like that spelled out to me, so did my brother. Telling me wouldn’t have done a damn thing. Unfortunately my brother and I both lost friends to the roads adn it gave us serious pause whenever we got into a car afterwards.
Driving courses should not only emphasize safety, they should show the consequences of not driving safely. Graphically. Kids need that.
yup, agree 100%.
Kids need to be shown rather than told.
especially modern kids.
(maybe in the olden days they’d listen to their elders not so much any more)
Sweden accepted that some drivers are stupid and that they may cause many of the fatalities. Instead of trying to educate these people, they are trying to minimise the effect that their careless driving and stupidity causes. Through technology like preemptive collision detection in cars and also simple things like divider barriers in the middle of the roads, they have halved road deaths since 1997. Here is an article on it. Some car manufacturers are developing many safety solutions such as front suspension automatic augmentations that fling up the front end of your car before you crash so you will be impacted in a much safer direction. There are loads of other things being researched as well. My point is that the first step is admitting stupidity and then the next steps are reducing the impact of this stupidity. Zero deaths is possible. Things like booklets on the rules of the road being posted to everyone will have little effect.
Speaking of puppets Twenty, Is Dustin a relation of yours ? I see a likeness.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7231600.stm
“Zero deaths is possible.”
Not likely. How would you stop that old farmer from having a heart attack and putting his wellie on the accelerator and not the brake? Even Gay has no solution for that.
China has 300 road deaths PER DAY.
Which is good news for Ireland.
where did imminent changes to the dual carriage speed limit go? 100 to 120kph….still 100kph…… guess where the cameras will be……
“The Order of the Phoenix Park” [Paperback]
Estimated arrival date: 15/04/08 – 22/04/08
Just noticed this – it’s 15/02/08 – 22/02/08.
Will alert the publishers.
China has a population 250 times that of Ireland.
The majority of them Chinese too…
RE Amazon
Make sure you hit .co.uk,
not .com
Should make a difference
Whats the figures for immigrants used to right hand driving causing accidents here I wonder??
99% of the road accidents are caused by drunk, driving on the right, Eastern Europeans.
Everybody, even John Waters, knows that.
Of course John Waters knows, HES A JOURN-AL-IST! For gods sake. They learn EVERYTHING in Journo school..
SAm Crea (NUB)
B = Bullshitters/Bastards/BPaedophiles?
jaysus god. Have yee no homes to get out of? Time gentlemen, finish up your posts please….
Twenty, I got the same message as 10 Park Drive from amazon UK regarding your book.
Will it be in Irish shops by March?
Sam, see comment 60.
Must have been a mistake by the publishers. It’s due out around the 18th of Feb I think, the April date is wrong.
The book was published Feb 7, but not available yet. It’s those slow delivery vans.
Best price for books: (beats Amazon and they ship to ROI)
http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/WEBSITE/WWW/WEBPAGES/showbook.php?id=0340952873
Twenty, two questions:
If Gaybo ran over Pat Kenny on his motorbike, wouldn’t he be doing a service to the nation?
And if he ran over Kenny and then reversed over him two or three times, would he be a shoe-in for President in 2011 instead of Mary-Wonka from the soldiers of density…?
I’d said it before. Get rid of the airbags, get rid of all the safety devises in cars and stick a bit sharp pointy metal bar on the steering wheel. Even the slightest muppets will think about driving carefully.
You call Gaybo “an annoying little prick.”
This is completely wrong.
He’s a patronising, condescending, self-indulgant media-whore of a cunt, and you know it.
you reckon 350 people twenty? I wonder what kind of odds paddy power would give on that figure ….
This is completely off subject but… Terry Wogan mentioned Macdara this morning on BBC Radio 2
Did he? What did he say?
It was to do with an Irish party that is being organised in Beirut and Wogan’s correspondend mentioned that Macdara was attending.
Macdara – the big meeja whore
Speaking of points… I was driving past the Point Theatre on my way to the Port Tunnel and Christ on a bike but didn’t I see a giant picture of Gaybo as tall as a house looking menacing enough that he might just jump out of it and eat my car at any second.
Only it wasn’t MY car …
PS: (Ref: comment #72) Fuck Gaybo, TBH… If Dustin can enter (and possibly WIN) the Eurovision, surely he’s the “man” for the Áras.
Well said, stop all the stupid cunts from driving. If you’re too fucking thick to pass after 2 or 3 goes, stick with a push bike and do society a favour. Charls Darwin was a god.
There ain’t no cure for stoopid. It’s a fact.